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Netzero just launched a DSL service. They resell Verizon service, but in their contract with verizon their subscribers are NOT required to have phone service. Their 768k bounceback price is 19.95 forever.

http://www.netzero.net/dsl

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I was all set up to sign up for these guys, but theywon't set me up an account because I don't have a verizon phone numb... (more)

matt314159 (Jan. 05, 2007 @ 1:52p) |

I'm curious about the total cost of this $14.95 DSL service.<br><br>I currently have Netzero Platinum dialup service and... (more)

LeChef (Feb. 05, 2007 @ 2:52p) |

LeChef said: <blockquote><hr>I'm curious about the total cost of this $14.95 DSL service.<br><br>I currently have Netzer... (more)

broadbandguy (Apr. 04, 2007 @ 1:17a) |

* Six month commitment at the discounted rate required and you will be billed the then current rate thereafter. <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">Requires a one time activation fee of $45.00. Cancellation prior to the end of the six month period may incur a $100.00 early termination fee.

** 30-Day Money Back Guarantee. If you're not satisfied, neither are we. You'll receive a full refund upon cancellation of your service in the first 30 days. See Terms of Service for details.

CSR's will not set up an account without a Verizon Landline telephone number to qualify the line, so it is questionable whether or not it is actual "Naked DSL" or not.
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by naked dsl you mean dry loop (without phone service). that is phenomenal news!!!
still no service for me, and i prefer not to downgrade from optimum online cable service.
if anything, i'll upgrade to Verizon FIOS once it is released!


fobiopatel3 said: [Q]by naked dsl you mean dry loop (without phone service). that is phenomenal news!!!
still no service for me, and i prefer not to downgrade from optimum online cable service.
if anything, i'll upgrade to Verizon FIOS once it is released!

Yes, that is my understanding of the contract.

That's great. I wish it was available in my area. I pay for the phone just so I get DSL from SBC but I never even use or pick up my home phone. I only use my cell.

How to verify it is naked dsl? I only saw they asked for your tel number.

Confused. You say it's "Naked DSL", i.e. no landline service required... yet the only way to qualify is to enter your phone number?

This looks just like a regular DSL reseller, not naked DSL.

My 12 month contract on $14.95 verizon dsl just expired. The price was jacked up to $17.99. Is there a way to get them to lower the price to the original level? If so, what did you say to them?

Thanks.

laxlaw said: [Q]My 12 month contract on $14.95 verizon dsl just expired. The price was jacked up to $17.99. Is there a way to get them to lower the price to the original level? If so, what did you say to them?

Thanks.

I'd like to cancel.

Not available in my area

I looked through the terms of service and the other stuffs. Doesn't say anything about not needing a phone line from Verizon. Where are any reference that subscribers are "not required to have phone service"? Until we see something, no reason to believe this deal is any different.

Update: See knickdigger, jaxidian, hpmoon posts, the $7/mo rate below does not include extra taxes...
On the side, you can get a cheap $4-7/mo phone line just for DSL. It doesn't include any local or long distance minutes, so basically it's just a phone number. Something to consider, you don't have to pay the full $30-40/mo just for the phone line.

do you know the upload speed for both package options? 14.99 and 19.99 ones?

The "taxes" and other BS fees can easily double that $7.

jumpfroggy said: [Q]On the side, you can get a cheap $4-7/mo phone line just for DSL. It doesn't include any local or long distance minutes, so basically it's just a phone number. Something to consider, you don't have to pay the full $30-40/mo just for the phone line.

knickdigger said: [Q]The "taxes" and other BS fees can easily double that $7.

jumpfroggy said: [Q]On the side, you can get a cheap $4-7/mo phone line just for DSL. It doesn't include any local or long distance minutes, so basically it's just a phone number. Something to consider, you don't have to pay the full $30-40/mo just for the phone line.

yeah, my $12 phone line costs me almost $30 it seems. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

I just signed up for the 1.5Mb one. Surpisely it's much faster than my old verizon dsl.
I got 1.6Mb down and 382kb up while my old verizon can only get 1.2Mb down.
Maybe they have fewer users?
Let me try several months to see how stable is the service.

This is'nt for "naked DSL" (dry loop). I cancelled my Verizon line 6 months ago for Vonage. I put my Vonage number in (ported fron Verizon) and it say not available. I put my neighbors number in ( a Verizin customer) and it day "Good news blah blah blah it's available!!

rphmann said: [Q]This is'nt for "naked DSL" (dry loop). I cancelled my Verizon line 6 months ago for Vonage. I put my Vonage number in (ported fron Verizon) and it say not available. I put my neighbors number in ( a Verizin customer) and it day "Good news blah blah blah it's available!!

I think all those digit phone number are portable number therefore those numbers should bind with digital voice company.

jumpfroggy said: [Q]I looked through the terms of service and the other stuffs. Doesn't say anything about not needing a phone line from Verizon. Where are any reference that subscribers are "not required to have phone service"? Until we see something, no reason to believe this deal is any different.

On the side, you can get a cheap $4-7/mo phone line just for DSL. It doesn't include any local or long distance minutes, so basically it's just a phone number. Something to consider, you don't have to pay the full $30-40/mo just for the phone line.This is actually very bad information -- you just aren't reading your phone bill carefully. $4-7 barely even covers the federally mandated subscriber line charge (SLC), which is additional to your base rate and is mandatory for all voice telephone lines in the United States. Bottom line, you will spend at least $15 or so on the absolute most basic measured rate local service, unless you are at the poverty line and receive a lifeline subsidy.

Just trying to prevent the spread of bad information here...

hmmm just tried the site must be some issues
looks good though

* Six month commitment at the discounted rate required and you will be billed the then current rate thereafter. Requires a one time activation fee of $45.00. Cancellation prior to the end of the six month period may incur a $100.00 early termination fee.

Look at the terms. NOT GOOD. I rather get from Dell.

ahsq said: [Q]* Six month commitment at the discounted rate required and you will be billed the then current rate thereafter. Requires a one time activation fee of $45.00. Cancellation prior to the end of the six month period may incur a $100.00 early termination fee.

Look at the terms. NOT GOOD. I rather get from Dell.

Is it naked from Dell?

umcp999 said: [Q]How to verify it is naked dsl? I only saw they asked for your tel number.

Address check

hpmoon said: [Q]jumpfroggy said: [Q]I looked through the terms of service and the other stuffs. Doesn't say anything about not needing a phone line from Verizon. Where are any reference that subscribers are "not required to have phone service"? Until we see something, no reason to believe this deal is any different.

On the side, you can get a cheap $4-7/mo phone line just for DSL. It doesn't include any local or long distance minutes, so basically it's just a phone number. Something to consider, you don't have to pay the full $30-40/mo just for the phone line.This is actually very bad information -- you just aren't reading your phone bill carefully. $4-7 barely even covers the federally mandated subscriber line charge (SLC), which is additional to your base rate and is mandatory for all voice telephone lines in the United States. Bottom line, you will spend at least $15 or so on the absolute most basic measured rate local service, unless you are at the poverty line and receive a lifeline subsidy.

Just trying to prevent the spread of bad information here...

True, it's been quite a few years since I did this, and I was not the one paying the actual bill. The $7 is the quoted cost, but you're totally right that taxes and fees double this.

However, my main question is about the OP's claim that this DSL line does not require a phone line. Obviously they're using a phone line to determine availability. Where in the TOS, description, or website can we confirm that you don't need a phone line? And if that's the case, how do we do this deal without putting in a number on the front page? If this works, it's a great deal for low-cost bandwidth.

$45 activation fee is retarded. especially when everyone else has free activation/installation.

what a way to deter 1st time customers in this competitive market.

jumpfrogger "However, my main question is about the OP's claim that this DSL line does not require a phone line. Obviously they're using a phone line to determine availability. Where in the TOS, description, or website can we confirm that you don't need a phone line? And if that's the case, how do we do this deal without putting in a number on the front page? If this works, it's a great deal for low-cost bandwidth."

Did you see my post above?
You don't need an active phone connection but obviously you need a phone line which almost everyone has.

stardent said: [Q]You don't need an active phone connection but obviously you need a phone line which almost everyone has.

But if the phone connection is not active, the phone line is just a line,and does not have a number associated to it. If qualification is by phone number, then there's nothing you can do if your line does not have an associated number.

Is there any reason to go through Netzero to get DSL?
Verizon does offers Naked DSL/dry loop and I had it for a number of months. And Verizon did give me a phone number for billing purpose even I don't have any telephone service,

sky7 said: [Q]stardent said: [Q]You don't need an active phone connection but obviously you need a phone line which almost everyone has.

But if the phone connection is not active, the phone line is just a line,and does not have a number associated to it. If qualification is by phone number, then there's nothing you can do if your line does not have an associated number.

What do you mean qualification is by phone number? Naked DSL means no phone connection only DSL connection.

nkling said: [Q]Is there any reason to go through Netzero to get DSL?
Verizon does offers Naked DSL/dry loop and I had it for a number of months. And Verizon did give me a phone number for billing purpose even I don't have any telephone service,

Isn't Netzero service cheaper by 5 bucks?

stardent said: [Q]jumpfrogger "However, my main question is about the OP's claim that this DSL line does not require a phone line. Obviously they're using a phone line to determine availability. Where in the TOS, description, or website can we confirm that you don't need a phone line? And if that's the case, how do we do this deal without putting in a number on the front page? If this works, it's a great deal for low-cost bandwidth."

Did you see my post above?
You don't need an active phone connection but obviously you need a phone line which almost everyone has.
I looked at your link, and it is labelled "Test DRY LOOP Default Page". However, typing in an address sends me to the FIOS page. At any rate, yes this will determine availability by address. But it doesn't explicitly state "You don't need a phone number". Some people make deductions and go on that. I always prefer explicit proof. If the TOS or CSR does not state "You don't need a phone line", then to me it's an unknown.

However,
nkling said: [Q]Is there any reason to go through Netzero to get DSL?
Verizon does offers Naked DSL/dry loop and I had it for a number of months. And Verizon did give me a phone number for billing purpose even I don't have any telephone service,
This is promising. nkling, what's the pricing on your line? How'd you sign up for a dry loop, without phone number? I know when I tried to get mine a while back (4 years?) they required an active phone line. Basically we've got a page that states $14.95/mo, and an OP that claims this is dry-loop. But where on any netzero page does it state that this is a dry loop? We can assume, but I'd rather know.

Jumpfroggy, your best bet would be to call Verizon and ask about dry loop service. I have no land line connection and I was routed to their dry loop service department. Turns out they don't yet offer the service in my area.

Just called NetZero customer service. I asked them will I be able to use their DSL if I cancel both of my verizon phone service and DSL. The answer is <font color=white style="background-color: #3E3E3E;">yes. But I need to cancel them at first before subscription.
Anybody has already done this?

You guys are making me sick talking about these low, low, low prices.

My phone and DSL bill is $100 or so each month. I have unlimited long distance and one of the fastest DSL plans.

I would love $15 for phone and $20 for DSL.

I was all set up to sign up for these guys, but theywon't set me up an account because I don't have a verizon phone number. verizon dsl is available in my area (had it for 2 years before we got cable and switched to Vonage), and in fact, Verizon Dry Loop DSL is available for my address, but they won't sign me up because they only qualify by phone number.

So i would say that the "naked DSL" in the title is incorrect. They will not sign you up without local telephone service on that line. Verizon Dry loop is 2x as fast as Netzero's for $34.99 with a 12 month contract, and no signup fee, so I think it's better to just go with them.

The CSR's I spoke with had the WORST connection i've ever heard, I could barely hear them, and there were echo's both times I called. I will not deal with these people anymore. And I'm what I consider to be a CSR warrier. I deal with Amp'd mobile all the time and they are notorious for being some of the worst. Netzero is definitely the worst.

I'm curious about the total cost of this $14.95 DSL service.

I currently have Netzero Platinum dialup service and I pay $9.95/month with no additional taxes or fees. My local phone service is in New York, NY, with AT&T (the Netzero DSL web page said my phone number was qualified, but I didnt actually place an order for DSL). I don't know if I can actually order Netzero DSL if they do not also resell AT&T DSL.

I'm wondering what sort of taxes and additional psuedo-taxes will be added to the claimed Netzero $14.95/month rate? Currently NetZero bills my credit card directly. Will additional DSL related charges appear on my telephone statement?

I ask because I also pay for home DSL in another state (California) and the $29.95/month rate actually becomes something closer to $38/month after AT&T/SBC add their "fees" (Federal Subscriber Line Charge?? , Local Government Fee (distinct from State and Local taxes), etc..)

LeChef said: [Q]I'm curious about the total cost of this $14.95 DSL service.

I currently have Netzero Platinum dialup service and I pay $9.95/month with no additional taxes or fees. My local phone service is in New York, NY, with AT&T (the Netzero DSL web page said my phone number was qualified, but I didnt actually place an order for DSL). I don't know if I can actually order Netzero DSL if they do not also resell AT&T DSL.

I'm wondering what sort of taxes and additional psuedo-taxes will be added to the claimed Netzero $14.95/month rate? Currently NetZero bills my credit card directly. Will additional DSL related charges appear on my telephone statement?

I ask because I also pay for home DSL in another state (California) and the $29.95/month rate actually becomes something closer to $38/month after AT&T/SBC add their "fees" (Federal Subscriber Line Charge?? , Local Government Fee (distinct from State and Local taxes), etc..)


NetZero does not charge any additional taxes, fees or any other psuedo taxes for their DSL service. The current pricing starts at $17.95 and now they have coverage in more areas throughout the US due to a recent partnership they announced with Covad. The activation fee is now $25. They also offer a 3.0MB service is some regions. Your NetZero DSL charges will still appear on your credit card statement, if you continue to use that as your payment method. Their service does not appear to be naked dsl - you likely need to have service with a major phone company to qualify for their DSL service.




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