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uBid.com has Marantz ZR6001SP Includes ZC4001 Client with DAvED technology for $349 (buy it now price).
Or you can bid. Anyway, less than $400 shipped! The retail price is $1300 at marantz offical website.
Maybe some of you don't know Marantz brand. Actually, it is a hi-fi manufactory. Much better than Sony, Panasonic, JVC............
Don't miss the deal!

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Product link:
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Thanks op, seems like a great day, but no hdmi

This is a very good price OP. Best price on pricegrabber is $599 shipped. However, as previous poster indicated no HDMI output. That's a deal killer for me.

Some of you might concern about the hdmi input/output.
First, product with hdmi is overpriced. Do you want to pay $$$ more for hdmi input/output?
Second, as an AV receiver, hdmi input/output is just convenient for connections. The TVs, projectors we can buy all have many input connections. We can connect the hdmi directly to TVs/Projectors. Is the hdmi a must for an AV receiver?






superdrew said: [Q]Thanks op, seems like a great day, but no hdmi

What is the most important thing as an AV receiver? HDMI or audio quality?
For the price, it is unbeatable!

Solobear said: [Q]This is a very good price OP. Best price on pricegrabber is $599 shipped. However, as previous poster indicated no HDMI output. That's a deal killer for me.

Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

Kwang2 said: [Q]uBid.com has Marantz ZR6001SP Includes ZC4001 Client with DAvED technology for $349 (buy it now price).
Or you can bid. Anyway, less than $400 shipped! The retail price is $1300 at marantz offical website.
Maybe some of you don't know Marantz brand. Actually, it is a hi-fi manufactory. Much better than Sony, Panasonic, JVC............
Don't miss the deal!

Link here:
Link at ubid.com

Product link:
Link at Marantz Offical Website

Not less than $400 shipped for CA. It quoted me over $77 for S/H.

rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.
To me, audio matters most as long as I can see good PQ in a TV. If don't know, marantz is one of the best quality A?V receiver money can buy and it is an excellent price (or just get a Panasonic XR55).
Thanks OP.

Do you have any idea about sound quality?
Do you know all the hi-fi stuffs have only volumn knob. NO bass, no tremble knobs? Do you want to say that all audiophiles are stupid?

rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

My HDTV has two HDMI inputs so I dont even run the video to the graphics to the receiver just audio. Is there a benefit?

no hdmi, no dice. nice post though.

I agree with you.
I personally have this marantz ZR6001sp.
My projector has 5 vedio inputs. I connect my dvd directly to the projectors. I can switch the vedio input using the projector.
I only connect audio into the receiver.


ridn4free said: [Q]rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

My HDTV has two HDMI inputs so I dont even run the video to the graphics to the receiver just audio. Is there a benefit?

ridn4free said: [Q]rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

My HDTV has two HDMI inputs so I dont even run the video to the graphics to the receiver just audio. Is there a benefit?


There is a huge advantange. HDMI is the first real video that can be switched digitally. Component swithcing recievers like this one, and the Dennon I bought 3 years ago for $350 actually make you pay for the convienience of video switching by signal loss.

There is no signal loss with HDMI switching. The advantage to you is that you can plug your DBS (Sat/cable), your DVD player, your computers DVI video card, your Gaming console, etc, etc into your A/V reciever and have the audio presented with a coherent set of settings.

You then use those extra inputs on your HDTV for PIP applications.

I love mid range audio like this and like my dennon. 7.1 quality sound + Component switching is great for me, and I got it 3 years ago for $250 from uBid. This unit is $400 and 4 years old. So it might be good for some people but I'll pass.


Give me a Marantz HDMI switching unit for $400 and I'll be all over it.

I prefer to feed the video signals directly to my HDTV so that I can calibrate each source independently. This is a hot deal.

superdrew said: [Q]Thanks op, seems like a great day, but no hdmi

I agree...no hdmi, no deal

This is a slick unit, and I like the bonus ac speaker. I'm looking for a reciever that does 7.1 and I don't have any surround sound yet.
This has been a great thread to start me learning. I really want to love this system, but.........well, I still have six more days on the bidding I think.
this cnet review was helpful.

cnet review. so-so DAVID speaker quality, no XM, ect.

it's a good deal, but I'd hope a 400 dollar unit would last me for the next ten years, and this one seems a bit obsolete

ripsaw said: [Q]I prefer to feed the video signals directly to my HDTV so that I can calibrate each source independently. This is a hot deal.

I agree. HDMI is the most over-rated under-cooked BS I've ever seen. Besides the fact that video switching is not conducive to calibrating each source individually.


I just wish I could find out if this receiver would go well with my Magnepan speakers.

ripsaw said: [Q]I prefer to feed the video signals directly to my HDTV so that I can calibrate each source independently. This is a hot deal.

bingo. if you're buying an AVR for the HDMI switching, you don't care about PQ.

You can buy a panasonic XR57 for $264 from OneCall for and it has HDMI switching. Just another receiver to consider. I know its not a MSRP $1300 receiver that sells for $400-$500, but isnt that a common audio sales trick anyway?

I personally don`t need HDMI switching as I also connnect each source without a passthru, but if you want a receiver with this (HDMI) the panasonic get great reviews and it is reasonably priced. The fact that it is digital and uses less power than other receivers is also a nice bonus.

There is a 52 page long thread on the Panasonic XR57 over at AVSforum.com HERE


nice price, but I would need a amplifier with it and use it as a pre-amp only....need more than 95W x 7 in my home theater.

As for the HDMI, it is nice, especially with a projector in a room where you can't do an in wall run (I.e. apartment). You can have one cable (instead of 4 or 5) running to the projector.

You are RIGHT!
Just like that we can pay $20,000 to buy a Ford, then why do we have to pay $40,000 to buy a BMW?!!!


rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

I still don't know how uBid has not been shut down for fraud

I am surprised that with all the posts about the HDMI issue no one mentioned the uBid problem. It's like buying on eBay, maybe worse.

Kwang2 said: [Q]My projector has 5 vedio inputs...I can switch the vedio input using the projector...Do you know all the hi-fi stuffs have only volumn knob. NO bass, no tremble knobs?

Do you want to say that all audiophiles are stupid?

Well, I wasn't going to say all...


No HDMI in or HDMI/DVI up conversion. If you are planning to use it for a home theater this would be a negative. If you want to use it as a good amp with limited home theater the component will do just fine. I have the Denon with HDMI upconversion and after seeing the change it makes to ordinary analog signal I am sold. DVD gets upconverted to 1080i through my samsung dvd player with dvi out. With current trends I would not buy a hometheater amp without HDMI

Kwang2 said: [Q]Some of you might concern about the hdmi input/output.
First, product with hdmi is overpriced. Do you want to pay $$$ more for hdmi input/output?
Second, as an AV receiver, hdmi input/output is just convenient for connections. The TVs, projectors we can buy all have many input connections. We can connect the hdmi directly to TVs/Projectors. Is the hdmi a must for an AV receiver?






superdrew said: [Q]Thanks op, seems like a great day, but no hdmi
For me, if I want to play SACD, HDMI output is required. Optical out will not work

It has 7.1 analog in, so you can use that for SACD/DVD-A.

For the poster that has the Denon 1803, that component switching
doesn't have enough bandwith to do HD. It's 480p and pretty much
downconverted after that.

The Panny 57 really doesn't do HDMI switching since there is
only 1 in and 1 out.

Now my naive question, what's wrong with uBid?
Can you use AMEX to pay?

Kwang2 said: [Q]You are RIGHT!
Just like that we can pay $20,000 to buy a Ford, then why do we have to pay $40,000 to buy a BMW?!!!


rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

Hey I am just trying to help the folks here make a good choice. People who want audio-phile quality and don't care about video switching generally don't buy these A/V recievers and then use them to just switch audio. In that case they buy pre-amps and amps. And there is nothing wrong with component video switching, or BMWs, but I would rather pay $20k for a 2007 ford than pay $30k for a 1997 BMW.

Peace.

avhokie said: [Q]I still don't know how uBid has not been shut down for fraud
Last time I used uBid is 6 years ago. What fraud are you talking about?

locomo said: [Q]

Now my naive question, what's wrong with uBid?
Can you use AMEX to pay?

Never mind found out why.
ubid ratings

OneCall.com has it for the same price that Woot! had it for a few weeks ago ($499 incl. shipping), and they are an authorized seller for Marantz (for those concerned about warranty issues), not to mention highly rated on resellerratings.

http://www.OneCall.com/productdetails.aspx?id=33254

Top A/V online retailer imho, but I have only bought from them a few times as their prices are generally high.

Re: HDMI, I am not sure why this is an issue when you have Logitech Harmony remotes (and a slew of other brands) that make input switching PAINLESS and invisible for all intents and purposes. You can find them for $50 - so much drama over HDMI, which is still in its infancy anyway (toddler maybe).

At least wait until HDMI actually works well and is standardized. Those that scream "NO HDMI! This SUCKS" at every deal without HDMI are going to have a rude awakening very soon when all your HDMI ver 1.1 components are perceived as obsolete because newer components with new HDMI specs (1.2, 1.2a, 1.3) are already coming out. When they produce a consistently stable revision, then you can scream at the deals and red them all you want when a unit doesn't have that one, ok? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

FYI:

Q: What’s new in the HDMI 1.3 Specification?

Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color™ and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.

Deep Color™: HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.
Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “xvYCC” color standard, which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.

New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.

Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.

New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

this is off topic, but I always forget about reseller ratings. You know w00t doesn't get very good ratings. sorry for threadcrapping

ntddvltt said: [Q]avhokie said: [Q]I still don't know how uBid has not been shut down for fraud
Last time I used uBid is 6 years ago. What fraud are you talking about?

Things like:

    Deciding not to ship if an auction price doesn't meet their goals (even if it has no reserve).



    Claiming things are out of stock when you've won at cheap prices even though there are hundreds more listed on uBid.



    Bidding on their own auctions to raise prices



    Deceptive and unbelievable shipping terms and rates



    Sending DOA merchandise and telling customer to take it up with manufacturer



    Substituting products without telling customers and not taking returns


The list goes on and on. Yeah, you can sometimes get a good deal on uBid, but I'd rather take a risk with a Brooklyn camera store than try again with these crooks.

I bought a refurb'd Denon receiver from uBid. I was worried as I've received junk from them before that they listed as in good condition. The only thing that convinced me was that they said the receiver shipped directly from Denon. Everything came in just fine so who knows..


Thrustbucket is connecting Magnepan speakers to an integrated amp for surround sound - then is worried about calibrating each source individually? I bet he calls himself an audiophile at parties too.



thrustbucket said: [Q]ripsaw said: [Q]I prefer to feed the video signals directly to my HDTV so that I can calibrate each source independently. This is a hot deal.

I agree. HDMI is the most over-rated under-cooked BS I've ever seen. Besides the fact that video switching is not conducive to calibrating each source individually.


I just wish I could find out if this receiver would go well with my Magnepan speakers.

why drop big bucks for video switching, just to find that the woman can't work it anyways? anyone ever heard of a harmony?

Kwang2 said: [Q]Do you have any idea about sound quality?
Do you know all the hi-fi stuffs have only volumn knob. NO bass, no tremble knobs? Do you want to say that all audiophiles are stupid?

rtyler7186 said: [Q]Yes video switching is important in an A/V reciever otherwise they would be decoder/amp blocks.

I have a uBid Dennon 1803 bought many years ago. I am able to have instantenous (component video) switching between what a want to watch, what I want to listen to and the 3 don't have to be related because the unit has video switching an zone2 control.

HDMI is going to be around for a very long time. Buying an $350+ A/V audio reciever without it is silly. tons of component video switching A/V recivers out there for $200.

After reading your post, I'm trembling ... ooooohhhhh.

kbedwardz said: [Q]OneCall.com has it for the same price that Woot! had it for a few weeks ago ($499 incl. shipping), and they are an authorized seller for Marantz (for those concerned about warranty issues), not to mention highly rated on resellerratings.

http://www.OneCall.com/productdetails.aspx?id=33254

Top A/V online retailer imho, but I have only bought from them a few times as their prices are generally high.

Re: HDMI, I am not sure why this is an issue when you have Logitech Harmony remotes (and a slew of other brands) that make input switching PAINLESS and invisible for all intents and purposes. You can find them for $50 - so much drama over HDMI, which is still in its infancy anyway (toddler maybe).

At least wait until HDMI actually works well and is standardized. Those that scream "NO HDMI! This SUCKS" at every deal without HDMI are going to have a rude awakening very soon when all your HDMI ver 1.1 components are perceived as obsolete because newer components with new HDMI specs (1.2, 1.2a, 1.3) are already coming out. When they produce a consistently stable revision, then you can scream at the deals and red them all you want when a unit doesn't have that one, ok? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

FYI:

Q: What’s new in the HDMI 1.3 Specification?

Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color™ and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.

Deep Color™: HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.
Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “xvYCC” color standard, which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.

New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.

Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.

New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.


So much you said was right, and yet, so much wrong.

HDMI is very usefull IF, you have a next gen-hi def player.
I.E. a blu-ray or HD-DVD player that outputs Linear PCM sound.

Because then you can enjoy Dolby TrueHD DTS-HD Master, etc RIGHT NOW. Or on blu-ray you have listen to Uncompressed Sound.
---

And HDMI 1.3 is absolutely useless to wait for. The HD-DVD and Blu-Ray spec for 90%-100% of the disks will NOT ALLOW, Dobly True-HD, or DTS-HD master audio to be decoded outside of the player. I.E. Your player will Decode the Audio, Change it to PCM, and then the reciver plays it. And geuss what, if you get a decent HDMI audio capable reciver it will play the PCM and you have no problem.

Also HD-DVD and Blu-Ray do not support, Hi-Color, so you will have NOTHING that will use high-color.

If theres gimick its that HDMI 1.3 will be usefull at all.


kbedwardz said: [Q]Re: HDMI, I am not sure why this is an issue when you have Logitech Harmony remotes (and a slew of other brands) that make input switching PAINLESS and invisible for all intents and purposes. You can find them for $50 - so much drama over HDMI, which is still in its infancy anyway (toddler maybe). There's a lot of truth to that, except for the number of cables you have to run. Eg component = 3 plus audio for each source. HDMI should be one. If it worked the way it was supposed to ... which as you say, it often doesn't.

[Q]At least wait until HDMI actually works well and is standardized. Those that scream "NO HDMI! This SUCKS" at every deal without HDMI are going to have a rude awakening very soon when all your HDMI ver 1.1 components are perceived as obsolete because newer components with new HDMI specs (1.2, 1.2a, 1.3) are already coming out. When they produce a consistently stable revision, then you can scream at the deals and red them all you want when a unit doesn't have that one, ok? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

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Thanks OP. I was able to get one, great unit, very nice features, I just replaced my old Sony GX800ES which has been an excellent unit. The Marantz is a worthy successor and the audio client is really nice, I would like to get another.

I was also apprehensive about uBid however for the price I figured I would take the gamble ($370 to my door after google pay discount) and it showed up 2 days later.

No HDMI not a concern for me either, for video I like to have as little devices in the middle as possible, IE from teh course to television with nothing in between, I made sure my TV had more than enough interfaces for teh high end stuff. I use the receiver to switch video for not as important devices, ie; PS2, Home Media, etc.

Thanks again OP!



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