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XB100 pack @ Music 123
Included two quality items:
The bass alone is worth $150, plays as well as lower-end Ibanez SoundGears.
The RB30XM is good for practice at home, worth around $50.
Also included:
Strap, tutor dvd, tuner

List Price: $399.99

Got mine shipped in 4 days.

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Free shipping is real nice too.

Not a bad deal. Not the greatest bass in the world, but if you're just starting out, this will get you somewhere.

Definately a pretty good deal.

Um, the link it goes to just has an included 15 watt Washburn amp, or thats what I see anyways. Still good for a pack.

Yeah this combo shows a Washburn 15 watt amp, not a Randall 30 watt. I don't think you can even buy that Washburn amp by itself. This would be a good deal with the Randall 30W. Bass needs a lot of power. When I had a bass, I had a Peavey 35 watt (MINX 110) and it wasn't enough for me even as a beginner.

The description is wrong, mine arrived with Randall RB30XM
* 30 watt
* 8" speaker
* Active & Passive inputs
* Low, Mid, High, Compressor (countour) controls
* Headphone out

Works better for guitar than bass

Least inexpensive bass amp with 30W/8" you can buy is over $50

Slickone said: [Q]Yeah this combo shows a Washburn 15 watt amp, not a Randall 30 watt. I don't think you can even buy that Washburn amp by itself. This would be a good deal with the Randall 30W. Bass needs a lot of power. When I had a bass, I had a Peavey 45 watt and it wasn't enough for me.

The box illustration shows the Randall, while the merchandise surrounding the package shows the Washburn. The bass itself looks to be identical - with the exception of the headstock shape - to the "Lyon by Washburn" bass I picked up for $38 during the Target clearance a while back. Good enough to noodle around with ...

How does this bass compare to the $50 standard Fullerton they sell? Or the $100 Deluxe Mahogany Fullerton?

Slickone said: [Q]How does this bass compare to the $50 standard Fullerton they sell? Or the $100 Deluxe Mahogany Fullerton?

I have the Fullerton Ventura Deluxe Mahogany bass, and a starter bass almost identical to the Washburn XB100. I don't know about the Fullerton Standard Bass; but I did buy one of the Fullerton ST4 Strat guitars for $50. Here's my take on them.

The Vinci (Sears house brand) starter bass is almost identical to the Washburn XB100. It looks great in glossy black with chromed hardware. The frets are smooth. The neck is straight. Hardware, tuners and pickups are decent quality; but not great. The stock strings are medium gauge, and easy to play. The neck is fairly wide. It sounds ok; but the bottom end is a little thin, to my ear.

The Fullerton Ventura Deluxe Mahogany is finished in an earthy orange stain (light mahogany), not clear like the photo. The neck is long and slender. The tuners are smooth and precise. It came with heavy gauge strings. The combination of the active Nordstrand MM4.2 (copy?) alnico pickups and the Honduran mahogany body produces a warm, rich, detailed sound that blows the doors off of the Vinci starter bass. However, the Ventura bass I received had a noticeable twist in the neck. There were a few sharp frets, and one of the knobs was bent. Because of the twisted neck, I reluctantly decided to return this beautiful bass for a refund. To replace it, I ordered one of the Fullerton Deluxe Ash basses in the see-thru matte black, which should look nice with the shiny gold hardware. I'm hoping it sounds as warm as the mahogany. If the neck is straight, I'm keeping it. These Ventura basses are equipped like a $900+ Ibanez SDGR/Soundgear bass at the local shop. Just the pickups alone would cost more than $100.

The $50 Fullerton Strat copy guitar is fairly heavy, and it has noticeable quality control problems. The wide-ish neck is slightly warped (not too bad) and the fret heights appear slightly uneven. Almost all of the frets had to be filed down. The shiny silver finish has visible defects. The pickup holes are rough and unfinished. The guitar will not stay in tune even for 30 minutes because of the super light gauge strings. Even with all of the quality defects, after I set it up and filed down the frets, it sounds great and plays nicely. It's growing on me. I suspect the bass version may have similar characteristics, but I don't know. I'd say it's worth $50; but not much more.

FWIW: As of Sunday, Music123 had 77 of the Ventura Mahogany basses in stock, according to the CS rep.

armie said: [Q]The description is wrong, mine arrived with Randall RB30XM
* 30 watt
* 8" speaker
* Active & Passive inputs
* Low, Mid, High, Compressor (countour) controls
* Headphone out

Works better for guitar than bass

Least inexpensive bass amp with 30W/8" you can buy is over $50

Are you sure that what you ordered wasn't a different kit? This is the "XB100-Pack" while there was another listed as "XB100-30" that I ordered and expect to receive in the middle of the coming week. I'm pretty sure they're two distinct sets, stocked and sold under two different SKUs.

I deliberately avoided the kit linked here because the XB100-30 was a little better value, although this one is still a good deal. I hope everyone gets the Randall amp that I'm expecting, but wouldn't count on it.

I ordered XB100 Item# 119129 for $99.99

Unfocused said: [Q]armie said: [Q]The description is wrong, mine arrived with Randall RB30XM
* 30 watt
* 8" speaker
* Active & Passive inputs
* Low, Mid, High, Compressor (countour) controls
* Headphone out

Works better for guitar than bass

Least inexpensive bass amp with 30W/8" you can buy is over $50

Are you sure that what you ordered wasn't a different kit? This is the "XB100-Pack" while there was another listed as "XB100-30" that I ordered and expect to receive in the middle of the coming week. I'm pretty sure they're two distinct sets, stocked and sold under two different SKUs.

I deliberately avoided the kit linked here because the XB100-30 was a little better value, although this one is still a good deal. I hope everyone gets the Randall amp that I'm expecting, but wouldn't count on it.
Was the XB100-30 $100 also? Looks like it's gone now?

Thanks a lot, Nemesys. The bass you ordered does look nice. Let me know what you think. I'm curious why you think it will be better made than the Mahogany one? They're almost the same guitar, at the same price.

I'm asking since I'm trying to get my brother to buy his first bass. He got interested after I showed him the $50 ones, but I don't think he'd be happy with them. They're gone anyway. I used to have a Mexi-made Fender Jazz. I play electric and acoustic guitar now. I did order 2 of the $50 Samick Silvertone (SG style) models from here just to see what they were like. They're the same way, several finish flaws, not easy to keep in tune (didnt play it very long though). Not too bad though. I didnt check for straight neck or level frets. BTW, Samick is 10 minutes from my house.

Slickone said: [Q]
Was the XB100-30 $100 also? Looks like it's gone now?

Yeah, it was the same price. The SKU was 244246, but it was shown as a closeout when I ordered. I just searched on Music123 and nothing comes up. If I recall correctly, it sold out late last Wednesday or early Thursday.

Both kits show up on eBay when you search for XB100, but even the ones that say they have a 15w Washburn amp show the Randall amp pictured on the manufacturer's box, yet there's a Washburn amp sitting in the foreground. Strange. Everyone seems to be using the same two photographs.

It's good news that we have at least one member reporting that they got the Randall amp with this other kit; perhaps Washburn did a vendor change during their run. Although it's my opinion that either kit is a hot deal well worth buying, I hope everyone gets the Randalls when they order.

Unfocused said: [Q]Slickone said: [Q]
Was the XB100-30 $100 also? Looks like it's gone now?

Yeah, it was the same price. The SKU was 244246, but it was shown as a closeout when I ordered. I just searched on Music123 and nothing comes up. If I recall correctly, it sold out late last Wednesday or early Thursday.

Both kits show up on eBay when you search for XB100, but even the ones that say they have a 15w Washburn amp show the Randall amp pictured on the manufacturer's box, yet there's a Washburn amp sitting in the foreground. Strange. Everyone seems to be using the same two photographs.

It's good news that we have at least one member reporting that they got the Randall amp with this other kit; perhaps Washburn did a vendor change during their run. Although it's my opinion that either kit is a hot deal well worth buying, I hope everyone gets the Randalls when they order.

I'm optimistic for those of you who ordered later. Have a look at U. S. Music Corp. and you'll see that Randall is owned by the same company as Washburn. If they send you a Washburn amp, perhaps if you contact them and tell them that you didn't get what was pictured on the box, they'll exchange it for you?

I received my set a few days ago, my initial impressions were very positive, and they remain so. This is an excellent set that I would've paid $200 or even $250 for. List price for this set is $399.00 or so, and it's common to see it in sale catalogs for $249.99.

The guitar is very well made and solid, but no one will mistake it for a $1000 bass.

The headstock is clean and a pleasing shape, with a tilt-back pegboard and no flaws in the finish. The truss rod cover is a three ply plastic held by three screws. I didn't like that in order to remove the top screw, you have to push the A string to the side to make room for the Philip's head screwdriver to socket. Since the A is the longest on the headstock it's not too difficult, especially if you detune it, but I wouldn't design an instrument that way.

The nut appears to be a black plastic material, but I'm not sure. The slots have the proper angle and depth, and the strings are seated correctly in the nut. This could be a future upgrade point, or when you're good enough for it to make a difference, you'll probably buy another bass.

The tuners are sealed, extremely smooth in operation, and stay in tune quite well. Their finish is smooth and consistent chrome. The keys themselves were polished before chroming far better than I thought they would be, are quite attractive. The thick key shape has a great feel between the finger and thumb. I had expected to change tuners at some point in the future, but that's out unless they wear ungracefully. I like these far better than the open backed, flat key tuners on many Fender basses. These make those feel cheap and out of date.

The scarf joint where the neck and headstock is joined is solid and thin, with no noticeable dirt embedded, but the grain of the two pieces of maple are not matched like on a premium instrument, so the joint is visible if you look at it.

The neck is smooth, clean and easy playing. The profile is a nice modern medium-thin shape that allows easy travel and appropriate leverage when needed. The bolt-on joint to the body is solid with no gap, and the chromed heel plate is substantial and seems to have a good thick layer of chrome.

The rosewood fretboard has a small amount of visible scuffing in a few locations; nothing that effects the playability or even the appearance unless inspecting the guitar, but it is clear that this piece is not from the same stock bin as a premium instrument. On the edge of the fretboard in the upper register of the G string, there's a spot where a roughly less than 1mm wide by 7mm long splinter was rubbed off the edge. I've already taken care of the slight roughness with one of my wife's finest grit emery boards. I may fill that very tiny divot at some time in the future, or I might not bother.

All the frets themselves are well seated, are well dressed to the edge, and all of them are smooth, except one near the neck. This one has very slight tooling marks, perhaps from a slightly too coarse file being used for finishing. It's almost as if a quality control inspector was bending notes there and pressing too hard. I could polish it out with my dremel in seconds, but I won't bother. There are no sharp edges to catch a finger. The fret slot edges are properly filled, but the color match is slightly off. You might expect a perfect match in a premium instrument, but I've also seen a lot of them where they didn't bother with this tiny detail.

The black body has a comfortable shape, although the bottom's artful curve makes this bass tip over to the left when leaned against a wall or amplifier by itself. The strap buttons are solid, chromed and well mounted, and are well placed to balance the instrument for play. The finish is a glossy excellent except for a little bit of roughness around the pickup holes and on the back around the electronics pocket. The coarseness is in a less than 2mm band, and looks like they may have plugged the holes with foam before spraying the finish, and this is what happened when they removed the plugs. That's not a known fact, but that's the appearance. If I ever have this instrument apart, I'll buff that out better, or maybe hand paint an accent stripe around the pickups.

The bridge is a traditional Fender style; solid, functional and very familiar. It appears to have a better layer of chrome on it than some I've seen. I expect no trouble from here.

The pickups are nice blocky copies of Fender Precision bass pickups. They sound very much like the ones they copy, although I don't have several instruments on hand to A/B the sound. I can't say for sure, but they seem less noisy than stock P-bass pickups. There certainly isn't a lot of single coil hum in my set. I'm not replacing mine any time soon. The shape of the pickups is slightly too blocky for me, though. I like to rest my right thumb on the rear corner of the pickup when playing fingerstyle, and if this corner were a bit more rounded, it would be more comfortable. It's not painful uncomfortable, it's just not the "luxury feel" of something slightly better thought-out.

Volume and tone knobs seem to be chrome on knurled metal, not chromed plastic. Their operation is smooth and even, and they currently introduce no static or noise when turned. There's no way of knowing how the potentiometers inside will age, but at least they've started out good. The electronics pocket in the back of the body is covered with what appears to be an inexpensive piece of black plastic.

The output jack is typical non-premium gear, but doesn't seem to be "lowest bid wins" hardware. The cable sockets cleanly and firmly. It's well mounted, and doesn't wiggle or shake. Placement could be a little better, as the instrument will rest on it's cable if you set it down without removing the cable. Due to the location of the jack, this will amplify its tendency to fall over to the left caused by the body shape.

Out of the box, the bass was set up pretty well. String height was in range, and intonation wasn't too far off. Mine had a bit of excessive fret buzzing out of the box, so I checked the neck shape. It was very nearly dead flat, but that was solved by loosening the truss rod slightly, approximately 3/8 of a turn, to add a bit more relief. A few frets still buzz occasionally, but that mostly due to playing technique and because I like mine set rather low. The remaining buzz is easily overwhelmed by pickup output when playing amplified unless deliberately playing a slap 'n pluck funk style where it's a big part of the desired sound.

Because mine required minor adjustments to the truss rod that should settle for a day each time you move it, I waited to post this review.

Over all, I am very pleased with this instrument, and even though I have some experience from owning a '64 Precision Bass years ago (see this post in a similar thread), I'm sure it will last me a long time. Washburn backs this with a lifetime warranty.

I feel almost like I've stolen it buying it for $100 shipped, and I'd feel that way even without the included amplifier, gig bag, strap, digital tuner, DVD lessons, and cable. I'll add my impressions of the amplifier and included accessories in a separate post at a later date.

If you're sitting the fence, get in while you can. I just got an email from Music123 that says the March Madness sale is ending soon.

Nice review there..I received mine the other day, and my impressions agree closely. An absolute steal. The only problem with mine is that whoever strung it jammed the ball end of the D string at the bridge, and there's a wadded-up piece of the strings' overwrap against the back of the bridge, just where the string enters. Doesn't seen to affect anything sound-wise...but it looks bad, and I will likely change the strings soon anyway as they're not the greatest. The amp is fine for a practice amp, and I was surprised at the range of tones I could get from this cheap little box. Some buzzing from the cabinet at certain frequencies, but hey, for the money it's great! The included tuner is a nice bonus, works better than my old QuikTune. Cable and strap are throwaways. Bag is thin and cheap, but it will protect the bass from random scuffs. Included video is as basic as it gets, but I am a drummer that wants to learn the bass, and this combo is perfect. Over the last few years, I've equipped a micro studio in my spare bedroom with gear mostly scored from FW deals, and this bass completes the package.



rdnzl said: [Q]Nice review there..I received mine the other day, and my impressions agree closely. An absolute steal. The only problem with mine is that whoever strung it jammed the ball end of the D string at the bridge, and there's a wadded-up piece of the strings' overwrap against the back of the bridge, just where the string enters. Doesn't seen to affect anything sound-wise...but it looks bad, and I will likely change the strings soon anyway as they're not the greatest. The amp is fine for a practice amp, and I was surprised at the range of tones I could get from this cheap little box. Some buzzing from the cabinet at certain frequencies, but hey, for the money it's great! The included tuner is a nice bonus, works better than my old QuikTune. Cable and strap are throwaways. Bag is thin and cheap, but it will protect the bass from random scuffs. Included video is as basic as it gets, but I am a drummer that wants to learn the bass, and this combo is perfect. Over the last few years, I've equipped a micro studio in my spare bedroom with gear mostly scored from FW deals, and this bass completes the package.

Are there any good, really inexpensive drum and cymbal kits that you'd recommend? I especially want to ask, has Music123 gone as insane with their drum kit prices as they did with some guitars and basses? Anything there worth posting as a separate deal?

Unfocused said: [Q]Are there any good, really inexpensive drum and cymbal kits that you'd recommend? I especially want to ask, has Music123 gone as insane with their drum kit prices as they did with some guitars and basses? Anything there worth posting as a separate deal?

I didn't see anything that screamed hot deal, but this $249 DW/Pacific isn't bad for a complete kit w/ hardware (reviewers say the cymbals are cwap, though):

Link

I use an older Yamaha DD-50 Digital Drum kit in the "studio" (limited space!), it doesn't sound horrible though I wish the sensitivity was adjustable like on the newer ones.

I ordered mine through the link here (XB100-Pack) on the 20th and it arrived today (24th) via FedEx. The package included the Randall RBX30M amp and I couldn't be happier.

Free shipping made this deal (it came in a giant box)

Thanks OP

Was the case that you receied like the original picture on 123music or like http://this one? Thanks.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>



ecrespol said: [Q]I ordered mine through the link here (XB100-Pack) on the 20th and it arrived today (24th) via FedEx. The package included the Randall RBX30M amp and I couldn't be happier.

Free shipping made this deal (it came in a giant box)

Thanks OP

Technogeek said: [Q]Was the case that you receied like the original picture on 123music or like http://this one? Thanks.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>



ecrespol said: [Q]I ordered mine through the link here (XB100-Pack) on the 20th and it arrived today (24th) via FedEx. The package included the Randall RBX30M amp and I couldn't be happier.

Free shipping made this deal (it came in a giant box)

Thanks OP

It was the big green box pictured on Music123's site and it came with a shaped gig bag (as opposed to the rectangular one pictured on Amazon)

I was thinking about learning to play bass guitar and had my eye on the Yamaha RBX170 bass guitar which seems to have gotten tons of great reviews. How does the Yamaha compare to the Washburn?

adinar said: [Q]I was thinking about learning to play bass guitar and had my eye on the Yamaha RBX170 bass guitar which seems to have gotten tons of great reviews. How does the Yamaha compare to the Washburn?

Yamaha generally makes fine instruments at all price points. I haven't fidgeted with the Yamaha recently, so I don't remember the neck or overall balance, but I'd expect them to be good.

On the plus side, having a PJ pickup set will give more tonal variety. 24 frets instead of 20 may appeal to you or not. Also, the body isn't cut at an angle at the base, so it'll stand against the wall better without having to corner it against something (which is always a good idea anyway).

They're both 34" scale and both have lifetime warranties.

The Yamaha has a inline peghead instead of a tilt back, so there's a string tree (the chrome bar) above the nut and the truss rod adjustment is at the heel. Both of these are less attractive in my opinion, but equally functional.

Would I pay nearly twice as much for the Yamaha without a practice amp, tuner, bag & accessories? No. Would I criticize someone else who does? Definitely not. To me, the price of the Yamaha (especially after buying a practice amp to go with it) puts it out of the "impulse buy" price range, and I'm not sure you could get near that selling it used. I could probably craigslist the Washburn any day of the week for $80 or more if I decide to move up.

If you decide to get the Yamaha, $179 is a common everyday price, not a special deal, so you may want to try to haggle at your local guitar store instead. Zzounds (and some other retailers) are showing a $20 rebate that expired on January 31st, I would try to get them to take at least that much off the price up front.

Thanks unfocused. I appreciate your opinion on the matter. I realize the Yamaha's price is the everyday "price". Since I'm just starting out, I think I'm going to go with the Washburn combo seeing as how I would have to pay nearly 3x as much to get the Yamaha + amp. Plus I get a $15 rebate via Paypal so that knocks the price down to $85 for me.


Thanks ecrespo, I just ordered one, cant beat the price. I also ordered a couple stands & $10.00 each. Mainline GS10BK Guitar Stand Item# 331432

ecrespol said: [Q]Technogeek said: [Q]Was the case that you receied like the original picture on 123music or like http://this one? Thanks.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>



ecrespol said: [Q]I ordered mine through the link here (XB100-Pack) on the 20th and it arrived today (24th) via FedEx. The package included the Randall RBX30M amp and I couldn't be happier.

Free shipping made this deal (it came in a giant box)

Thanks OP

It was the big green box pictured on Music123's site and it came with a shaped gig bag (as opposed to the rectangular one pictured on Amazon)

I'm really surprised these deals have been alive for as long as they have. Music123 must have tons of these guitars. I always give bonus points to the deals on musical instruments, because before Music123 began having these blowout sales on guitars about a year ago, it was very rare to find any musical instruments on sale, guitars or otherwise, for significant discounts. And I think once this blowout is over and Guitar Center completes their acquisition of Music123, these bargains will be gone for good.

Last year I bought the $49 Aria guitar package, which came out to about $67 with shipping. What a deal. A decent guitar with all included accessories, including a decent practice amp. The $49 Baja package seems very similar (the guitars look indetical), but the accessories in the Baja pack aren't quite as nice as those included with the Aria. Still, it's an amazing deal.

This time around, I jumped on the Washburn XB100 bass. Again, what a deal. The guitar looks nice and is solid with decent action and it's easy to play. This guitar is miles better than my cheapo Applause bass that I bought back in 1989. That guitar alone cost me $195, and that was 18 years ago. At the time I also bought a cheap Peavey Minx amp for $150. I dug it out to check the wattage on it, and it was a 30 watt amp, just like the Randall included in this XB100 package. However, the Peavey is about 75% larger and weighs at least twice as much. Isn't the progression of technology grand?

The XB100 package is great. The bass is nice and easily could go for close to $200 alone. The amp is solid and produces nice sound and could probably fetch close to $100. The digital tuner included is also very nice, much better quality than the one included with the Aria package. The only things that are lousy in this package are the gig bag, which may as well be made out of paper, and the strap for the guitar, which is also pretty lousy, but it's not quite as horrible as some others have made it out to be. Plus you get picks, wrenches, a cord, and an instructional CD.

If you're thinking about getting any of these deals, I strongly recommend you jump. Despite the incredibly low prices, these are good solid instruments. There is no way you are going to walk into any B&M store in the country and get any electric guitar by itself for $49, let alone a complete package, or a bass guitar for $49 - $69, or even for $99, again for the guitar alone, without a package.

It's a miracle that many of these deals are still alive because they're really amazing bargains. Get it while you can, because deals like this are unlikely to be repeated any time soon, if ever again.


STUPID FATWALLET

i left this deal alone for almost a week, but i could go no longer

IN 4 1

STUPID THINWALLET

ordered mine!

the same deal without an amp is on musicians friend for the same price

this must be hot!

I purchased this set Christmas 2004 for my son. I will admit, $100 for the kit is a steal. This system does have its limitations. I had to pay to have the amp repaired because the driver on the amp blew. (He didn't crank it up,either) This is not covered under warranty. The cost for repair was approximately $50. Since then he has moved up to a Fender Rumble (100 or 150?).

The guitar has had to be repaired a few times. Initially the problems started occurring most likely due to the cheap input jack. The retaining nut loosened and caused intermiitent buzzing. I purchased a cord with a 90 degree connector to minimize stress placed on the jack. The pots are very cheap...can't stress that enough. The wiring is also very cheap. I peg the gage at 22AWG or smaller. (with no real shielding) I have since replaced the input wiring with something a bit more standard, but it was difficult getting it stuffed in the cavity. Overall though the bass is meeting my son's need. He will most likely end up with a much better bass this year.

For someone thinking about learning the bass, I would still recommend this set. For $100, you can't beat it. Hopefully, you are somewhat handy with a soldering iron if/when you have problems with the internals. Definitely purchase a cord with a 90 degree connector on one end to take the stress off the input jack.

Jake



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