philmont said:JHJ said:

a little sensitive, aren't we?

A few of us are just tired of anytime there is a HD thread, BR kiddies have to come over and fill up every thread, its been going on for months. I would hope HD people were not doing the same in regards to problems with BR.

Yes, we know HD is ending, but to hear the continual postings of the Blu-Tards that invade every HD thread, you would think this is just going to stop working one day, or will not play DVDs, or will just be a doorstop. Some of us are happy with the A3 we have, and while we are disappointed how this turned out, still have no regrets buying it, and no desire to go buy a BR either.

Frankly, this was a couple of days away from BR being on the losing end. It didnt have to do with being better, just Sony had a lot more to lose and absolutely had to make sure BR did not lose, because that would not bode well for the PS3 either. So they doubled Toshibas ante, got Warner Bros, and well the rest is history.

But I really cant understand having some kind of emotional attachment to a company or data format. I know probably most of the BR owners probably actually do have a life and do not do this, but for some, they remind me of the worst of the Ron Paul fanatics. They both show up where not wanted, say things that are not entirely true, and insult you if you dont adopt their views.

All that is fine, and I'm certainly not a partisan (I won't be buying any optical format, I don't expect to ever own another optical video player). But the fact is, you might not regret buying it and it might serve you fine, but for someone buying a new player today, it makes no sense to buy into a format that will not exist in the future. Any more than you would go out and buy a betamax just for the great library of titles you could get on it for a couple years in the 80s.

cameronj said:How can it be a good deal if it basically is a hundred dollar device that won't play movies that come out in the future?

Because it will always function as a high quality upscaling DVD player, as well as be able to play a huge library of already released HD-DVDs that are sure to be available at big discounts.

Considering that a good quality upscaling DVD player is around this price range, this is a steal when you consider you are getting 7 free movies with it.

I believe I've just come up with the way to end the Sony fanboiz fervor once and for all...

Why are people still buying PS2s?

End of story. BDiots go home!

philmont said:JHJ said:

a little sensitive, aren't we?

A few of us are just tired of anytime there is a HD thread, BR kiddies have to come over and fill up every thread, its been going on for months.

Agreed. While never a fanboy, I have been very vocal since before the PS3 even launched that people needed to realize that because the PS3 was going to ship with a blu-ray player, that it would simply be impossible for HD-DVD to win the format war. I did this because it was a fairly large investment, so I absolutely wanted people to know what they were getting into.

It honestly had nothing to do with which was the superior format, because in my opinion HD-DVD probably would have won if the playing field was level, it had everything to do with the fact that the sheer size of the installed userbase of blu-ray from the PS3 made the outcome inevitable.

My whole point was to give people fair warning. But now that the format war is over, there are great values to be had with HD-DVD, and as long as people know going in what they are getting, there is absolutely no reason not to jump all over the deals that will be popping up. Even though I have both HD-DVD and blu-ray, I expect that I will be buying many more titles in HD-DVD at least in the near future since the prices will most likely be substantially cheaper.

cameronj said:
All that is fine, and I'm certainly not a partisan (I won't be buying any optical format, I don't expect to ever own another optical video player). But the fact is, you might not regret buying it and it might serve you fine, but for someone buying a new player today, it makes no sense to buy into a format that will not exist in the future. Any more than you would go out and buy a betamax just for the great library of titles you could get on it for a couple years in the 80s.

So are you suggesting that nobody buy regular dvd's and regular dvd players anymore?

Confirmed in Dedham, MA costco. Multiple units left. They also had the Toshiba DKR10 which although will not play HDDVD, it is a DVD recorder and upscales to 1080P. Honestly though, the seven hddvds make the d3 the better deal IMHO. I took a photo of the store tag which lists the price change as being today. For those that still see a tag at 129.99, you may want to bring a unit to a scanner to be sure they just haven't changed the tags yet. Thanks for the post op.

riznick said:cameronj said:
All that is fine, and I'm certainly not a partisan (I won't be buying any optical format, I don't expect to ever own another optical video player). But the fact is, you might not regret buying it and it might serve you fine, but for someone buying a new player today, it makes no sense to buy into a format that will not exist in the future. Any more than you would go out and buy a betamax just for the great library of titles you could get on it for a couple years in the 80s.

So are you suggesting that nobody buy regular dvd's and regular dvd players anymore?

Of course not. But would you pay this price for an upconverting DVD player and 5 movies? You might, I don't know. That might be a good deal. Not to mention the fact that if you DO want to play Blu Ray movies, you will need a second device in your entertainment center anyway.

I come to this thread with no history in the debate, and I don't care which one wins/won. I never plan to buy either HD player anyway. It seems like the only partisans on this thread are pro HD DVD, and anyone questioning whether you should buy into a dead end technology is being attacked regardless of motive.

Bibba said:Confirmed in Dedham, MA costco. Multiple units left. They also had the Toshiba DKR10 which although will not play HDDVD, it is a DVD recorder and upscales to 1080P. Honestly though, the seven hddvds make the d3 the better deal IMHO. I took a photo of the store tag which lists the price change as being today. For those that still see a tag at 129.99, you may want to bring a unit to a scanner to be sure they just haven't changed the tags yet. Thanks for the post op.

Honestly as posted in other threads the Toshiba DKR10 is a FAR superior choice over the D3. BOTH have HDMI and the EXACT same Toshiba 1080P upconverting circuitry so the upconverting quality between the two is 100% identical. However unlike the D3 or A3 HD-DVD players the DKR10 can also record standard DVD recordable media AND it plays Divx media. IMO those are far more useful features vs buying a D3 or A3 supporting a dead HD standard.

Picked up A3 from CC during lunch hour, the UPC was ripped off from the box, and the 5 DVD rebate was already mailed.
Second one for bedroom sounds good to me, but will my wife agree with me? hm...

cameronj said:riznick said:cameronj said:
All that is fine, and I'm certainly not a partisan (I won't be buying any optical format, I don't expect to ever own another optical video player). But the fact is, you might not regret buying it and it might serve you fine, but for someone buying a new player today, it makes no sense to buy into a format that will not exist in the future. Any more than you would go out and buy a betamax just for the great library of titles you could get on it for a couple years in the 80s.

So are you suggesting that nobody buy regular dvd's and regular dvd players anymore?

Of course not. But would you pay this price for an upconverting DVD player and 5 movies? You might, I don't know. That might be a good deal. Not to mention the fact that if you DO want to play Blu Ray movies, you will need a second device in your entertainment center anyway.

I come to this thread with no history in the debate, and I don't care which one wins/won. I never plan to buy either HD player anyway. It seems like the only partisans on this thread are pro HD DVD, and anyone questioning whether you should buy into a dead end technology is being attacked regardless of motive.

Every movie player you buy is "dead end technology". Your dvd or blue ray player isnt going to tech upgrade itself sitting by your tv.

Every format (see cds versus mp3) changes about every 7-10 years for the better. In 10 years blue ray will be old technology. So the blue ray backers are basically arguing that paying $200+ more for BR is a wise decision because it will last 5 extra years in the marketplace before being replaced? No thanx.