macgeek said:Some design/color have super saver/prime, i.e. shipped by Amazon.
Most of the Sigg bottles on Amazon are sold by 3rd party, however.

olouie said:PeteyNice said:I am not sure how much of a deal this is. Amazon has these for similar prices or less and many of them are Prime/Free Super Saver shipping. Good if you want a different cap or style than Amazon provides I suppose.

dont see any on Amazon with prime

Cool. I just found them. Had to click onto each bottle to see which where sold with Prime. got myself one plus the cleaning brush since I had some GCs to use.

javaman2003 said:Important info read on

i buy sigg and still use the plastic (non-see thru) nalgenes.
i don't buy tiny little plastic bottle of water.

but i don't use tap water - it has crap like fluoride in it.
not good for you ti injest.

siggs take a lot of punishment and can put hot water in them.
my have lasted years.

I have invested a lot of money into these bottles. And then a friend sends me this:

"Sigg’s liner is made of a water based epoxy. One ingredient in epoxy is BPA. And if you read the Vom Saal interview, you know that in order to properly test for leaching, you have to test on something with an endocrine system over a period of time because the leaching could be undetectable by tools, but detectable by and damaging to the endocrine system.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nature/interviews/vomsaal.html

Sigg will not disclose the ingredients of the liner, but they do test for BPA. Sigg and other supporters of Sigg do not subscribe to the claim that since Sigg tests for BPA, they must use it in the creation of the liner, an assumption we would allow for any yucky large corporate commercial product, but not Sigg, for some very very strange reason.

Sigg claims they are testing for leaching BPA only to separate themselves from other water bottles out there and the controversy surrounding BPA, but the it doesn’t necessarily mean the bottle liner contains it. This is clearly a bunch of excrement.

Why then isn’t Sigg testing for formaldehyde or cadmium? Why not parabens or say…e-coli? Where would this potential leaching be coming from if not the bottle? From? The sky?

I know this is hard to take. Especially after purchasing one since they are an investment. I am sad for the retailers out there who bought 100 of them. They have a hard time wrapping their head around this I think for that very reason. I have $900 (wholesale) worth of wood toys in my storeroom that I can’t sell because I found out after the fact that they were finished with an oil that contains VOCS. Now, to our knowledge, VOCS only effect the person applying them. But this is very recent news and we’ve been using these toxic chemicals for a long time. I could just sell the toys and they would probably not harm anyone. But I take what I do very seriously, and being true to my ethics and principles means, I take the hit.

But i am wondering, when discussing Sigg, why is it that no one (some retailers, many reporters and several bloggers) calls into question these three details:

the liner is water based epoxy = BPA
the liner is tested for leaching BPA = BPA
they won’t tell you that BPA is NOT an ingredient in the liner = BPA

Can anyone answer this question for me? Because it seems very obvious to me that one might do a little further investigating before recommending a product as the safe route and not just trust them because they are european, swiss, claiming to be safe, sexy… what is it?

Lastly, BPA is in every corner of our lives and only now are we being allowed to know how damaging it is and has been. PVC- same thing. Sigg uses FDA approval as if it means anything. I have one word for them: rBGH

For more info on conversations with the president of Sigg and certain green retailers on this list, check:

http://www.freemarketorganics.com/coabsi.html
Best!

Amelia

Amelia Royko Maurer

Another letter she wrote:

my letter in response to Mr Wasik:
Mr Wasic,

Regarding your Sigg Bottles:
They are lined with epoxy correct? One main (essential) ingredient in the creation of most epoxy resins is Bisphenol-A, the building block of polycarbonate. This epoxy was co-invented by a Swiss scientist named Dr. Pierre Castan,(wiki) not that that matters. I have written to you in the past asking for the ingredients in your epoxy resin. I did so because I loved how the bottles looked, already owned a few (trusted they were safe) and wanted to carry them in my store. You never responded, so I did my own research. Since then, your bottles have become vases in my home, still holding liquid, still looking pretty, but feeding cut flowers rather then my child or myself. Here's why:
The amount of Bisphonal A required to cause harm and eventually, cancer in our bodies, specifically in our endocrine systems (hormone function) is too small for human tools to detect (parts per billion). You would have to conduct a study on the effects the liquids contained in your bottles have on humans who are drinking from the bottle over a course of time. Or, you could choose mice or rats for your subjects. You have not done this and therefore I dismiss your statement that the lining of your bottles is safe. You do not know if they are safe in the longterm- which should be a concern of yours.
Time and time again, this claim is made by companies stating they have tested their products for leaching of Bisphenol A and it is understandable they are trying not to have their company bottom out, but it is horrifically irresponsible. Dow Corning did the same thing 10 years ago when a team of scientists at Tufts University accidentally discovered the Dow Corning manufactured test tubes they were using were made of Bisphenol A and leaching into what ever they were containing. Somehow, Dow Corning kept that information from being heard for 10 YEARS. We are now only starting to hear about it and it blows me away when I think of all of the products they make with Bisphenol-A and how much damage exposure for 10 years can do to our bodies. And exposure isn't just from direct use of Bisphenol-A, it is very prevalent in our landfills and therefore our drinking water. We need to stop producing it, period.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nature/interviews/vomsaal.html

If I have to choose between a toxin-free product made responsibly in China or a product made with BPA in Switzerland, I'm afraid it's going to be China, Mr Wasic. To my knowledge, European Bisphenol A is no less harmful then that in the US or China. Just because something is Swiss/European doesn't mean it is safe. Just because something is from China, doesn't make it harmful. Just because something has been a tradition for 100 years doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.
Since the market will demand whether Bisphenol A is used or not, it is up to retailers and consumers to stop buying goods containing this chemical. It is a petroleum based toxin and it is not sustainable. It is potentially causing cancer and it needs to be eliminated from existance.
As for your bottles Mr Wasic, I would love to hear that your epoxy is a special epoxy that does not contain a harmful toxin such as Bisphenol A or that you have conducted extensive peer-reviewed studies using relevant levels, subjects and tools because as I said before, your make a very attractive product.
I would love to hear this Mr Wasic but you would have to write me back this time.
Sincerely,

Amelia Royko Maurer

Found at website:

http://sustainablog.org/2008/02/25/life-goggles-sigg-aluminum-water-bottle-product-review/

And I don't know what to think. I'm considering buying the stainless steel bottles Kleen Kanteen, though it's made in China. We can't win.

To all those overanalyzing the water situation, stop being paranoid, and just drink it. You'll live happier not being anally retentative about every last thing.

Also, thanks OP, I've been wanting a Sigg for backpacking.

warning to everyone ordering fro Amazon. They MIGHT be shipping the wrong bottles. I ordered one and when i came it was very different that then picture, but the model name was correct. The seller has incorrect images on Amazon, but its hard to get in touch with them since its fulfilled by Amazon directly. getting the run around on trying to get either Amazon or the other company to take responsibility. Amazon wants to me email the seller, but when I do that I get a response from Amazon. Strange eh

i'm switching to a glass bottle

still alive. Amazon reviewers have posted these dent/scratch easily. In for 1... we will see.

Code still works. I'm glad I checked here.

He probably saved your life... lol.

Sigg bottles have BPA in the inner liner. If the bottle dents, then you'll be drinking BPA and aluminum... delicious...

I'm looking into those new (2008) Camelbak bottles, that are clear, hard plastic, but is a different type of plastic that is bpa free. But they'll probably figure out something wrong with that in the next 20 years as well.