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posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 8:08a
Zachmo
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posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 8:12a
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Awesome deal, considering this was ~$150 about 9 months ago.
Another n00b question. Will this 6000 work on any AM2 motherboard? I am currently running a 4600+ on my Acer and I would like to upgrade for this little amount.
Tech question: I have an older (1.5yrs) motherboard that currently has a 3800+ AM2 processor. It should be able to handle this newer and faster processor right? This looks like a very good deal, thanks!
cdjohnson
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posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 11:09a
I bought on Wednesday for $99.00 - Just chatted with CSR and got a $24.01 credit. Great price! Repped!
iambuddylee said: Tech question: I have an older (1.5yrs) motherboard that currently has a 3800+ AM2 processor. It should be able to handle this newer and faster processor right? This looks like a very good deal, thanks!
I was wondering the same thing!
FearAndLoathing
Member
posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 11:30a
No noob here, but I was hoping someone might have some experience with this CPU or the 2x1mb L2 cache AMD64 X2 line. I upgraded a few months back to a 5000+ Black ed. I have it running at 3.2Ghz, but its L2 is only 2x512kb. What kind of performance difference is seen between the jump to 2x1mb L2 cache?
WhiteBoi
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 11:45a
lovecd said: Looks cool. Is DDR2 memory chips compatible with this mini PC? And also, how many pci slots available inside the box?
Please look that up yourself. Thanks.
buyus
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posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 11:47a
FearAndLoathing said: No noob here, but I was hoping someone might have some experience with this CPU or the 2x1mb L2 cache AMD64 X2 line. I upgraded a few months back to a 5000+ Black ed. I have it running at 3.2Ghz, but its L2 is only 2x512kb. What kind of performance difference is seen between the jump to 2x1mb L2 cache? this is the exact thing I was also looking for. there is no comparison I could find. even other sites did not mention the advantages of using bigger cache to performance increase. they talk only about over clocking. I do not want to over clock. so at normal speed this will run faster than 5000+. but the power consumption will be more. still I am not decided.
I already have two amd and wanted to test core2duo. being a cheap fellow I do not want to spend more money for core2duo.
mistergoodbar
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posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 11:47a
I too bought this on Tuesday for $99. Newegg customer service just credited me $24.01!
In response to some of the questions regarding motherboard compatibility:
If your motherboard supports AM2 chips then it likely will take this CPU. However you should check with your motherboard manufacturer first. You motherboard may need an updated BIOS.
If you're unsure if your system is AM2, or what manufacturer and model your motherboard is, then download CPU-Z and run it. It will tell you what CPU you currently have, and give you information about your motherboard.
As for comparisons to Intel CPUs, it's a moot point unless you're also considering a motherboard upgrade. This CPU is great for people trying to squeeze some usefulness out of an older AM2 motherboard.
CPU-Z isn't consistent in the info it provides re: model # and manufacturer name for motherboards (or WMI isn't consistent or the manufacturer isn't consistent....whatever).
You will need to open your computer in order to install a new processor; you should be willing to open it to look and see who made your board, what model it is, and what revision it is. Go ahead and keep the side panel off when looking up processor compatibility and whether you need a new BIOS; manufacturers often request some obscure detail in order for you to determine what hardware revision you have (i.e. "if board has orange and blue DIMM slots, then rev # is 1.1...").
i was thinking the same with the shuttle and make a HTPC.... been a while since I built a pc... but my ingrediants I would need is the following right... Please forgive me been a while since I built my last pc which was a k7s5a with ECS mobo....
Processer (this deal) Mobo (the shuttle) Memory Hard drive (there was another deal with a 500 GB baracudda)
buddhawood said: iambuddylee said: Tech question: I have an older (1.5yrs) motherboard that currently has a 3800+ AM2 processor. It should be able to handle this newer and faster processor right? This looks like a very good deal, thanks!
I was wondering the same thing!
It would work right out of the box, but to get the newer AM2+ features you might need a Bios update.
WhiteBoi
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 4:14p
cheepdate25 said: i was thinking the same with the shuttle and make a HTPC.... been a while since I built a pc... but my ingrediants I would need is the following right... Please forgive me been a while since I built my last pc which was a k7s5a with ECS mobo....
Processer (this deal) Mobo (the shuttle) Memory Hard drive (there was another deal with a 500 GB baracudda) You would need an optical drive to install the OS unless your OS image is on a server.
Take you time, open up the Shuttle and study it a bit before installing. I would install the CPU first, HSF, DDR2 and use long cables to hook up the HD and optical drive temporarily and start the install. Image the boot partition for safety. Download the latest drivers and install apps. Stress test overnight and then put everything in the case if you are happy. I usually try some overclocking runs to see how it behaves (heat and noise). BTW, if you don't OC, then undervolt it by all means. Keep your eyes open for a decent video card since Shuttle doesn't have a DVI connection.
You may or may not want to do this but I lightly grease all the threads on the screws before insertion (since I remove and install stuff over and over again to find the good combinations). It's just me.
buyus said: FearAndLoathing said: No noob here, but I was hoping someone might have some experience with this CPU or the 2x1mb L2 cache AMD64 X2 line. I upgraded a few months back to a 5000+ Black ed. I have it running at 3.2Ghz, but its L2 is only 2x512kb. What kind of performance difference is seen between the jump to 2x1mb L2 cache? this is the exact thing I was also looking for. there is no comparison I could find. even other sites did not mention the advantages of using bigger cache to performance increase. they talk only about over clocking. I do not want to over clock. so at normal speed this will run faster than 5000+. but the power consumption will be more. still I am not decided.
I already have two amd and wanted to test core2duo. being a cheap fellow I do not want to spend more money for core2duo. For similar chips clock speed is the most important factor. Now if you wonder which one is faster, the 5000+BE at 3.2G and the 6000+ at 3G, I believe the only way to tell is by benchmarks. Luckily tomshardware did a detailed review when the G2 stepping BE was out, with about a dozen of benchmarks. You should read that review. It does not seem to me that this one would be much of an upgrade over the black edition, unless you insist running it at stock speed.
WhiteBoi
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jun. 13, 2008 @ 7:45p
I gave it a 2nd thought, that Shuttle SFF is not a good match for this CPU due to the smallish power supply especially if you add in a >mid range video card. SFF's are compromised PCs. You need to have some knowledge with component choices and the SFF's inherit limitations (space). So, if you really want this SFF, buy lower powered components.
I have a question about TV tuner card. If i want to connect from two sources(two receivers), dual tuner card is enough or I have to buy two different tuner cards? Also how the remote is going to work?
strohlde said: Yes...which is why I'm not leaping on it... I might pair up a 45W with the Shuttle deal WhiteBoi mentioned though for a cheap HTPC. Shame, damn fine deal for a 3GHz CPU. Still might bite to upgrade a single core AM2 3400+ on a 690G board though.
You might also want to consider the Brisbane 65nm cores. 2.5GHz is at $60. 2.8GHz is 87.50. These are newer and have lower power consumption/will be cooler, though the performance should be very similar, GHz to GHz. If I were to buy today, I would probably get the 2.5 Brisbane over this deal just to save a few bucks, electricity and to generate less heat.
Tempted to just go with a C2D setup though. Used good overclocking P965 boards are very affordable (~$40-$50 for eg. 965P DS3, P5B Plus, etc.) and so are chips like the E6(3/4)(2/0)0 or even the E2xx and E4xx line. Once overclocked, they should destroy the X2.
buyus said: FearAndLoathing said: No noob here... 2x1mb L2 cache AMD64 X2 line. I upgraded a few months back to a 5000+ Black ed. I have it running at 3.2Ghz, but its L2 is only 2x512kb. What kind of performance difference is seen between the jump to 2x1mb L2 cache? ...
I already have two amd and wanted to test core2duo. being a cheap fellow I do not want to spend more money for core2duo.
Holey noob questions galore. #1, AMD's are mostly easy to compare: A 3Ghz is faster than 2.8. ALWAYS. 3.2Ghz from an overclocked chip is faster than 3Ghz stock or overclocked. 1mb cache adds between 2% to 5% more speed (5 is probably WAY high, 2 to 3 is more realistic, but to avoid people nagging me that in one test on the moon such and such happened...), so not a LOT and usually not worth the extra $ unless you're a scientist and number crunching 24/7/365. Your 5000+ running at 3.2 will outperform this 6000 running at 3Ghz. Can you overclock this 6000 beyond the 3.2 you've already reached with your 5000? Probably NOT. If you have a 3700 and it's overclocked to 3Ghz will this chip be faster? Yes, but only by a hair, because of the cache. Of course the overclocking could cause you to run your ram either faster or slower than normal and this could either bump you up or knock you down 5% to 10% overall on your system performance. Make no mistake here people, what you're buying is AMDs dual core top dog (ok, ok, there is the 6400, but 1 below the TOP is still not bad). This chip runs at 3Ghz on 2 cores. I paid $250 for a chip that runs at 1.8 on 2 cores (several moons ago), but mine is a server chip that I'm able to overclock up to 2.8ish Ghz. Would I trade my setup for this setup? No, because it cost me a lot to build my setup and I'm not getting rid of it to gain 200 more MHZ. If I were buiding a new system? YES, ALL THE WAY. $ for $ a system built around this chip is a SCREAMER!!! #2 Someone earlier asked how this rates $ for $ against an overclocked low end C2D. Those overclocked intel chips are an incredible deal. Since the price on this chip is so LOW though it's probably not far off, but keep in mind that overclocking is an art form and some people either don't want to do it or are afraid to. This chip will run in the top area of any CPU comparison chart WITHOUT any overclocking. To break it down to something most people can understand... Why buy a 300hp gas engine and supercharge it up to 600hp when you can buy a 600 turbo diesel for nearly the same price?
[cuoreesitante said: buddhawood said: iambuddylee said: Tech question: I have an older (1.5yrs) motherboard that currently has a 3800+ AM2 processor. It should be able to handle this newer and faster processor right? This looks like a very good deal, thanks!
I was wondering the same thing!
It would work right out of the box, but to get the newer AM2+ features you might need a Bios update.
AM2+ is something else... change the above to AM2 and it's accurate.
iambuddyle, If you built your system, you should know what mobo you put in it, go to their website and see if this chip works (it should) and see if anything is required for it to work (like a simple bios update). Without any more info I'd give you a 95% chance your answer is yes. Of course as I explained above an overlclocked system can easily be as fast or faster, if you're up for the idea. Check a few overclocking websites to see if your motherboard is overclocking friendly. Google is your friend.
If any of you care for real world ideas of what a well tuned 2.8 dual core AMD system with 2 gigs of ram can do... I can rip a DVD in the background while playing CIV IV (a game that had problems running on a 2.2Ghz single core with 1 gig of ram), or Oblivion, with no speed loss. If any of you still play BF2, I'm able to alt+tab out of the game and have use of my system instantly. With a single core it would take about 20 seconds before I could do anything after alt+tabing out of the game. When I first built my system I would find myself alone in BF2 for up to 30 seconds when a new map would load on a 64 player game. It took me several rounds to realize that it was because of the brute force of an incredibly fast CPU. This was my biggest realization that my system was SO much faster than most people out there. For several months I was able to take advantage of this by capturing the first enemy flag before more than 1 of 2 of the enemies had even loaded into the new map. Even 6 months after building my system there was still never more than 2 people that would load a new map as fast as me and usually it was only 1 person. Once the C2D came out and the higher end chips started to come down in price I saw more and more people that load up at the same time (maybe a couple seconds faster?) as me. But, even now, after I've had my system nearly 2 years there are only 5 to 6 other players that load a new map in about the same time as me.
any c2d is obviously faster at close clock speeds, but this is a good deal for people with old am2 platforms or who won't overclock
BrfishWPB
Member
posted: Jun. 14, 2008 @ 7:55a
kneeldug said: You might also want to consider the Brisbane 65nm cores. 2.5GHz is at $60. 2.8GHz is 87.50. These are newer and have lower power consumption/will be cooler, though the performance should be very similar, GHz to GHz. If I were to buy today, I would probably get the 2.5 Brisbane over this deal just to save a few bucks, electricity and to generate less heat.
I just got that 2.5ghx X2 4800+ and it is a great processor for the price. I was replacing an X2 3600+ and made a big difference. I had the 3600+ OCed but went back as my PC is in a cubby hole and was getting TOO HOT. I will not be OCing this processor though I have seen folks get it up to ~3ghz.
Due to my heat problems, I stayed with a 65watt chip to keep it cooler and to cut back on power as I leave it on 24/7
Thanks and look forward to hearing your comments back!.
cenglerp said: WhiteBoi said: Hmm my cable header doesn't look like that so never mind.
If you can use a coaxial cable to connect to your receiver, this might solve your problem (I have just ordered one for my Biostar T550 MB, I will let you know if it worked). I paid $6.30 with free shipping.
For optical connection, I have only found this seller on eBay with something that might work for you. You are going to pay a little more, though.
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