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OP, could you add "HD Camcorder" to your title, please? Not everyone knows all of the Canon model numbers and a search for "camcorder" will not pull up your post.
Thank you.
Green, even without a fixed up title. This is a great camera, and the price is good too. I was amazed by the quality of the video and even night video looks a heck of a lot better than a regular camcorder. I would recommend picking up another battery since it seems to use them faster than I had expected (though that may have been because it was being used more than normal, being new).
Not a deal at all, unless it's HF10 rather than HF100.
Got HV30 for $650 a couple of months ago, so the deal price for HF10 should be around $650. $650 for HF10 vs $610 for HF100? Your choice.
danielfeng said:Not a deal at all, unless it's HF10 rather than HF100.
Got HV30 for $650 a couple of months ago, so the deal price for HF10 should be around $650. $650 for HF10 vs $610 for HF100? Your choice.
The HV30 is significantly larger and uses antiquated tapes...the flash camcorders are worth the premium and this is a good deal.
mattyice11 said:danielfeng said:Not a deal at all, unless it's HF10 rather than HF100.
Got HV30 for $650 a couple of months ago, so the deal price for HF10 should be around $650. $650 for HF10 vs $610 for HF100? Your choice.
The HV30 is significantly larger and uses antiquated tapes...the flash camcorders are worth the premium and this is a good deal.
What? So you think the quality of AVCHD is better than HDV? LOL!
You must think DCs are much better than DSLRs since they are smaller and lighter... "antiquated tapes", LOL again, how many pro camcorders don't use the so called "antiquated tapes"?
Cannot imagine to call $20~$30 off a "deal"...
Like I've said, $650 for HF10 is a deal, while $610 for HF100 is not. HF10 uses flash as well.
For me, HV30 is the best choice - compare the CMOS difference between HV and HF series, and you'll find the answer.
danielfeng said:mattyice11 said:danielfeng said:Not a deal at all, unless it's HF10 rather than HF100.
Got HV30 for $650 a couple of months ago, so the deal price for HF10 should be around $650. $650 for HF10 vs $610 for HF100? Your choice.
The HV30 is significantly larger and uses antiquated tapes...the flash camcorders are worth the premium and this is a good deal.
What? So you think the quality of AVCHD is better than HDV? LOL!
You must think DCs are much better than DSLRs since they are smaller and lighter... "antiquated tapes", LOL again, how many pro camcorders don't use the so called "antiquated tapes"?
Cannot imagine to call $20~$30 off a "deal"...
Like I've said, $650 for HF10 is a deal, while $610 for HF100 is not. HF10 uses flash as well.
For me, HV30 is the best choice - compare the CMOS difference between HV and HF series, and you'll find the answer.WHen you decide to come join us in 2008 and get rid of those tapes that are from 1998, let us know.
neo2299 said:danielfeng said:mattyice11 said:danielfeng said:Not a deal at all, unless it's HF10 rather than HF100.
Got HV30 for $650 a couple of months ago, so the deal price for HF10 should be around $650. $650 for HF10 vs $610 for HF100? Your choice.
The HV30 is significantly larger and uses antiquated tapes...the flash camcorders are worth the premium and this is a good deal.
What? So you think the quality of AVCHD is better than HDV? LOL!
You must think DCs are much better than DSLRs since they are smaller and lighter... "antiquated tapes", LOL again, how many pro camcorders don't use the so called "antiquated tapes"?
Cannot imagine to call $20~$30 off a "deal"...
Like I've said, $650 for HF10 is a deal, while $610 for HF100 is not. HF10 uses flash as well.
For me, HV30 is the best choice - compare the CMOS difference between HV and HF series, and you'll find the answer.WHen you decide to come join us in 2008 and get rid of those tapes that are from 1998, let us know.
You shoot HDV since 1998? LOL! As I know it was announced in 2003... I have some HDV tapes and if you wanna have a try, please buy an HDV camcorder to upgrade your DV first... If you are a prosumer you won't choose flash or hard drive version HD camcorders - MPEG-2 vs MPEG-4, you lose quality.
And please read my text carefully. I was saying $610 for HF100 is crazy, unless it's HF10. HF10 is also a flash camcorder. If you want the best quality, choose HV30. You got me?
neo2299 said:danielfeng said:mattyice11 said:danielfeng said:Not a deal at all, unless it's HF10 rather than HF100.
Got HV30 for $650 a couple of months ago, so the deal price for HF10 should be around $650. $650 for HF10 vs $610 for HF100? Your choice.
The HV30 is significantly larger and uses antiquated tapes...the flash camcorders are worth the premium and this is a good deal.
What? So you think the quality of AVCHD is better than HDV? LOL!
You must think DCs are much better than DSLRs since they are smaller and lighter... "antiquated tapes", LOL again, how many pro camcorders don't use the so called "antiquated tapes"?
Cannot imagine to call $20~$30 off a "deal"...
Like I've said, $650 for HF10 is a deal, while $610 for HF100 is not. HF10 uses flash as well.
For me, HV30 is the best choice - compare the CMOS difference between HV and HF series, and you'll find the answer.WHen you decide to come join us in 2008 and get rid of those tapes that are from 1998, let us know.
I agree with Daniel that the HF10 is a better buy than the HF100. I was in the stores yesterday to buy the HF 100. BB no longer carries it and CC is selling them for $699 this week. The deal on overstock for $567 (HF100) was a good deal. I am of the ilk to wait I like that the HF10 has the builtin 16GB memory. I think the HF10 for $650 - $700 would be a great deal for me right now. Still green for OP, great price but it appears to be falling everywhere.
Oh I just read in a july article.....
Three keys to a good camcorder...
- Buy best image quality you can afford.
- Capture in a widely supported format.
- Use long term storage medium for your images (tapes).
HDV remains best format for 3 reasons
1. Better image quality than the best AVCHD.
2. HDV tape is its own long term storage medium.
3. AVCHD is still immature Most video editing software are just beginning to handle it and
It finished by saying that although AVCHD may be the better choice in a year or two, todays smart buy is still HDV.
Can you provide a link to HF10 for $650? The best deal that I can find is $750 (overstock, which has expired I think). You are right, I would jump at the HF10 right now if it's $650. Unless it's from eBay.
I meant from a reputable e-merchant, not those with sub-zero store rating where bait-and-switch is the business model.
just do a google search for HF10 and you'll find plenty of places selling for less than $650. I personally own an HG10 and can say that I'm very happy with the concept of hard drive or flash memory camcorder. I don't know what that guy is talking about wanting a camcorder with tapes. When I want to burn my video to DVD I can get the file off my camcorder in a minute and start burning to disk (what a great storge media, not affected by magnetic fields like tape.) If I used tape I would have to run the tape and capture the video in real time. I don't have that time to waste.
Slammin said:HDV remains best format for 3 reasons
1. Better image quality than the best AVCHD.
2. HDV tape is its own long term storage medium.
3. AVCHD is still immature Most video editing software are just beginning to handle it and
It finished by saying that although AVCHD may be the better choice in a year or two, todays smart buy is still HDV.Since when is tape a good long-term storage medium? Tape degrades and it's hard to manage.
Is it really the case that *every* HDV camcorder has better image quality than AVCHD?
AVCHD might not be a great format for editing today, but not everyone needs to edit.
A person must also consider size, weight, and convenience. A great camera that you never want to take anywhere because it's too large or heavy is not going to get much use. If your camera records to tapes, you either throw those tapes in a box where they go unused for a long time, or you have to devote some time and effort to transferring and cutting your video. If your camera records to memory cards, you will store your video on a hard disk, where it's much more easily accessed for playback, conversion, or uploading. Image quality isn't everything. But the HF100's image quality is quite good. Check out some sample videos.
Anyway, I see this camera for ~$620 at Butterfly and Buy.com. It seems 6th Ave is not such a deal.
deanjott said:just do a google search for HF10 and you'll find plenty of places selling for less than $650. I personally own an HG10 and can say that I'm very happy with the concept of hard drive or flash memory camcorder. I don't know what that guy is talking about wanting a camcorder with tapes. When I want to burn my video to DVD I can get the file off my camcorder in a minute and start burning to disk (what a great storge media, not affected by magnetic fields like tape.) If I used tape I would have to run the tape and capture the video in real time. I don't have that time to waste.
You shoot MPEG-4 video and burn it to MPEG-2 video on DVD? Are you kidding me? Do you know "DVDRip" or something? Or the word "quality" is not in your dict.
balazer said:Slammin said:HDV remains best format for 3 reasons
1. Better image quality than the best AVCHD.
2. HDV tape is its own long term storage medium.
3. AVCHD is still immature Most video editing software are just beginning to handle it and
It finished by saying that although AVCHD may be the better choice in a year or two, todays smart buy is still HDV.Since when is tape a good long-term storage medium? Tape degrades and it's hard to manage.
Is it really the case that *every* HDV camcorder has better image quality than AVCHD?
AVCHD might not be a great format for editing today, but not everyone needs to edit.
A person must also consider size, weight, and convenience. A great camera that you never want to take anywhere because it's too large or heavy is not going to get much use. If your camera records to tapes, you either throw those tapes in a box where they go unused for a long time, or you have to devote some time and effort to transferring and cutting your video. If your camera records to memory cards, you will store your video on a hard disk, where it's much more easily accessed for playback, conversion, or uploading. Image quality isn't everything. But the HF100's image quality is quite good. Check out some sample videos.
Anyway, I see this camera for ~$620 at Butterfly and Buy.com. It seems 6th Ave is not such a deal.
Nobody would keep video on tapes - they capture it to hard drives. AVCHD has been encoded (MPEG-4) thus the quality is lower than HDV (MPEG-2). If you burn AVCHD to DVD, well, you'll encode MPEG-4 to MPEG-2 - that's the most stupid thing I could imagine (if you did DVDRip before you'll know what I'm saying).
danielfeng said:Nobody would keep video on tapes - they capture it to hard drives. AVCHD has been encoded (MPEG-4) thus the quality is lower than HDV (MPEG-2). If you burn AVCHD to DVD, well, you'll encode MPEG-4 to MPEG-2 - that's the most stupid thing I could imagine (if you did DVDRip before you'll know what I'm saying).So with HDV, you have to transfer from tape to hard disk. With AVCHD, you just do a file copy from the memory card to your hard disk. It's drag-and-drop, it's faster than real-time, and the video is already broken up into clips. That's a lot faster and easier than what you'd have to do with HDV. Some people are not video enthusiasts. They are just taking videos of their kids to share with their friends and family. They don't have time to transfer video, edit, or convert.
MPEG-4 is not necessarily worse than MPEG-2. It depends on the encoder and the bit rate.
What's stupid about transcoding MPEG-4 to MPEG-2? If you are going to make a DVD from HD footage, you need to transcode no matter what, whether you're starting with MPEG-2 or MPEG-4. It's no worse to transcode from MPEG-4 than from MPEG-2. If you start with a high quality source and the target bit rate is adequate, transcoding will not hurt the picture too much. Though of course in general you would like to avoid transcoding. No transcoding is necessary when going from AVCHD to Blu-ray.
Thanks OP! A great camcorder at a great price. This makes it actually fun for both my wife and I to videotape our little guy.
In case anyone is interested in independent reviews of this and other camcorders, a great site is camcorderinfo.com. I learned a lot--with some reasoned thoughts on tape vs memory card.
Just an everyday deal.
But this camcorder is definitely hot - second to HF10 due to lacking the internal flash memory. A $650 HF10 would be hotter.
I'd forgive that guy. He does not know what he is talking about.
I found HF 100 for $579: TvsDepot. Ordered one. Will see what I get.
Canceled my TVsDepot order today becasue for some reason they put my order on hold and never processed. I bought the same HF 100 on eBay for $570
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