vista is one disgusting pig..... i may finally move there when the age of 16GB RAM on a desktop is the commons as we have no way of utilizing it on 32-bit OS. using 3GB out of 4GB on 32-bit XP is still much better user experience than 4/4GB in a vista machine.

SteelRing said:vista is one disgusting pig..... i may finally move there when the age of 16GB RAM on a desktop is the commons as we have no way of utilizing it on 32-bit OS. using 3GB out of 4GB on 32-bit XP is still much better user experience than 4/4GB in a vista machine.

Unless, of course, you want to build a MS-based media center, in which case XP is a real dog (I have both). I wish I'd sprung for Ultimate when I built my media center; I miss remote desktop (it's a production machine...no hacks allowed), though I wish I could get a VMC with the multiple remote logins like a Server allows.

Do doctoral students typically sign as "Dr" or was that privilege earned elsewhere?

I already have XP and it's paid for... Vista is not worth it with all the problems. Yes, it looks great but I want to use it which Vista fall short on. The home version is expensive and even worse it got crippled. This Ultimate is less cripple but.... not worth it.

Next Window OS is coming.

Consider this:

I love Vista and Office 2007!

Thanks OP!

XYNZ said:michal1980 said:SirZ said:michal1980 said:Wineaux said:If I am going to install Vista on a machine, it would have to be the Ultimate version as it has all the features from all the variations of Vista. As to why install it? My wife is beginning to whine for it now that she has used it on my MIL's machine. Me, I think it's slow as watching paint dry, but it's her PC and not mine...

well if you have a 1980's pc then maybe...

on anything modern with 2 gigs of ram... sorry XP, just cannot do what vista can.

What would that be? "Chew up all your resources?"

Ahh a brilliant reponse. Do you even know what vista does?

Lets see, xp starts... and you have all this free ram... just sitting there, doing a whole lot of nothing.

Vista starts... user normal starts IE, Firefox, outlook, word, and excel, lets preload all those programs so they start instantly.

Stupid vista user... hey all my memory is being used, vista sucks.

Yes, because as an advanced user who runs specialized applications that are memory intensive, I love it when most of my ram is occupied with preloaded applications that I rarely or never use.

If you proclaim to be an advanced user, you really ought to learn how memory management work in the NT Kernel. Here's a few links to get you started - pay special attention to the "Standby List" section of them:

http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2008/02/07/ws2008-memory-management-dynamic-kernel-addressing-memory-priorities-and-i-o-handling.aspxhttp://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2008/02/07/ws2008-memory-management-dynamic-kernel-addressing-memory-priorities-and-i-o-handling.aspx

http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2008/07/21/3092070.aspx

Essentially, memory in the standby list is 1/2 way between being free, and 1/2 way to being used. If the machine runs out of free pages, it can quickly zero pages (without having to page the contents out to disk). Conversely, if an application loads that data, it can be quickly assigned to an application's working set. Yes, there is a small performance hit if we run out of zero'd pages and have to wait to zero pages from the standby list, but that hit is still far less than if we had to fetch data from disk - plus the OS does its best not to let that happen.

The most inefficient use of memory is to not use it; conversely, the way to most efficiently use memory is to use as much as possible, but still have free pages available immediately when needed - Vista does its best to balance this, though nothing can predict the future.

Anyway, when I see posts like "Vista suxxors, it is hogging all teh RAMs!!!!" I normally chuckle and laugh - it's pretty clear who has no clue what they are talking about and who is just following the "Vista sucks, Mac is cool" bandwagon due to peer pressure.

fsiphoto said:Username372 said:Why would one need Vista Ultimate?

To join a domain. Other less compelling reasons here

My favorite compelling reason has to be:

"Have more fun on your PC..." Now remember you can only have fun with your computer if the you get the basic or business version. If you want to have MORE fun, then you need to get the Premium or Ultimate version.

Academic version should be listed in the title since this version isn't legal for the majority of us.

sable said:Do doctoral students typically sign as "Dr" or was that privilege earned elsewhere?

Maybe he earned it on the basketball court?

Microcenter currently has the Vista OEM full version of Home Premium (32 and 64 bit versions) on sale for $79.99. Not as hot as this deal but if you need a full version and don't need Ultimate's feature, it's an option.