RickKwak said:Actually, PC Merlin, they are not looking for more details like make, model, etc.

They are upset because I gave a red on the deal.

There are plenty better deals out there. For instance, I just bought a Nissan Quest with $11000 discount that gets 16mpg on local and 24 on highway with DVD, rear sonic sensor, auto sliding door and auto rear door. All I am saying is Mazda, for me, was bad.

If I say I have a beach front property in Arizona for $1, you would not give me a red for a bad deal? Of course you would. For me, Mazda is the beach front property in Arizona.

Buyers be aware...

So you had a bad experience with Mazda, and thought it was fair to give OP red?

Guess what? A lot of people have problems with particular brands, and that doesn't mean most or even that many other people will. Maybe your experience is an anomaly, or maybe you just got a bad vehicle or dealer.

I will tell you this right now - the Quest is not a bad vehicle, but many knowledgeable people have an opinion that this CX-9 is far better (it was Motor Trend's 2008 SUV of the year).

Instead of giving OP red, you could have simply stated your experience, to the degree you thought you were being helpful, and left it that.

RickKwak said:
If I say I have a beach front property in Arizona for $1, you would not give me a red for a bad deal? Of course you would.
Absolutely, because beach front property in Arizona doesn't exist. The Mazda CX-9 on the other hand, does exist. Try again.

tuan2 said:Hindsight is always 20/20. Its prob. his first Mazda experience to buy the expensive extended warranty and then avoid Mazda as first impression is very important-from my psy101. I guess there's a reason why Toyota Camry is number 1 for 7 out of the last 8 year-The boring Camry is just too dawn reliable.
With that said, I believe lemon law apply if you have numerous problems within the first year.

The problem with "lemon law" is when you DO have something majorly wrong w/ the car it takes a fight to get the car IN to the shop "oh...we're pretty busy, now about next week"..they don't want to work on stuff they aren't getting top $$$ for, so warranty work slides to last. Then you'd think they'd fix the dang thing...for a car to crap-out 3 times in a year...etc..it's pretty rare..and ever more rare to get those sob's to honor that...short of a lawyer. ...and even then...at that point..do you REALLY want that model of car anymore after taking time off work, etc to drop off the car, get repairs, beg for a loaner...ad-naseum.

I've heard of(casual acq) only 1 guy that it triggered the lemon law..and he had to read the riot act to them...and when it was the tranny...it was EVERY time.."oh..we can't get you in for 2 weeks, then it takes another week b/c the part didn't come in yet...then 1-2 weeks to do the job...so he was w/o his car for 5-6 wks EACH time.....i.e. 1 month PLUS. The car has to be a TOTAL P.O.S. for that to get triggered!! and they are loathe to take the 3rd time..god forbid it turns over mileage past warranty, etc while driving it. On his last one, he has some insanely low # of miles before warranty expired...couldn't even drive it to the place w/o it surpassing the mileage...and the shop said "well, if it's over..we can't help you then"...so he had to pay himself to tow it there to prove it to them....car dealers are the lowest of the low of ppl you have to deal with in life.

-2 cents

LemonLaw by State

RickKwak said:We had a Mazda at one time...In the first 50K miles, the tranny gave out 2x, gear shifter went out once, and numerous other minor problem arose . When the transmission went out for the second time, since the mileage had just passed the warranty by 150 miles, Mazda refused to cover the tranny even though it was the exact same problem they fixed first time under warranty. I went all the way upto Mazda USA Vice President.

Instead of fixing the problem, they sent me a $100 voucher on a next purchase. Wow! Add insult to injury.

After fixing it on my own, it went out again, finally I gave up and donated the damn car.

Anyhow I vowed to never buy another Mazda and tell of my experience to everyone. Sorry, a red for you!

I sympathize with you. I had the same problem. But I don't blame, Mazda, I blame Ford which supplied the transmission that died in my 94 Mazda 626. Ford controls Mazda as you know. However, the rest of the car has held up well and the rebuilt transmission I bought at my expense has held up after 100,000 so far. 14 years later and 160K miles later, this car is still running like a champ. I'll keep buying Mazdas but I'll make sure to avoid models that use Ford drivetrains.

Apparently a lot of people are fed up with my tiff with PC Merlin and Mr. Cheap. For the betterment of this website, I will post no more about this thread. I love the deals here at Fatwallet though. I think I order at least once or twice a week.

Possible additional $500 Mazda Loyalty Cash available.

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Supposedly it is in addition to current rebates...

Hope this helps someone...

dgoedken said:
The problem with "lemon law" is when you DO have something majorly wrong w/ the car it takes a fight to get the car IN to the shop "oh...we're pretty busy, now about next week"..they don't want to work on stuff they aren't getting top $$$ for, so warranty work slides to last. Then you'd think they'd fix the dang thing...for a car to crap-out 3 times in a year...etc..it's pretty rare..and ever more rare to get those sob's to honor that...short of a lawyer. ...and even then...at that point..do you REALLY want that model of car anymore after taking time off work, etc to drop off the car, get repairs, beg for a loaner...ad-naseum.

I've heard of(casual acq) only 1 guy that it triggered the lemon law..and he had to read the riot act to them...and when it was the tranny...it was EVERY time.."oh..we can't get you in for 2 weeks, then it takes another week b/c the part didn't come in yet...then 1-2 weeks to do the job...so he was w/o his car for 5-6 wks EACH time.....i.e. 1 month PLUS. The car has to be a TOTAL P.O.S. for that to get triggered!! and they are loathe to take the 3rd time..god forbid it turns over mileage past warranty, etc while driving it. On his last one, he has some insanely low # of miles before warranty expired...couldn't even drive it to the place w/o it surpassing the mileage...and the shop said "well, if it's over..we can't help you then"...so he had to pay himself to tow it there to prove it to them....car dealers are the lowest of the low of ppl you have to deal with in life.

-2 cents

LemonLaw by State

Well said. Lemon Laws in most states essentially kick in right before the average person would go to the dealership with a loaded handgun. Some states are complete crap - Louisiana requires that the car be at the dealership for 90 days within the first year (and only 1 year of "coverage", even if your warranty is longer.)

If you have a lemon, do a bit of research and call a lawyer.

Mazda dealers in the Northwest are offering/advertizing a $8500+ discount (off MSRP) on the CX-9s

I would love to get in on this deal, but unfortunately, like the Ridgeline deal of a little while ago, the gas mileage would kill me (I'm one of those who lives in the suburbs, but work in the city....seemed like a good idea when gas was cheap )

But I really wanted to share my experience with our Mazda dealership out here in Durham, NC. I have a 2000 Miata. It came with a 3 year warranty at the time. In 2003 (i.e. literally 2 weeks before the warranty expired) the ignition coil went bad. Actually, I didn't know what was wrong - I took it in to the dealership and they did their diagnosis (free of charge under warranty) and told me they'd fix it...under warranty. They gave me NO HASSLES whatsoever. I picked it up the next day and went on my merry way. The only charge was for spark plugs they changed (I don't know the relationship between ignition coil and sparkplugs, but they said I needed new sparkplugs when they did their diagnosis?) Besides regular maintainance, the Miata has given no trouble since.

Back when I was growing up, my dad also had Mazdas for as long as I can remember - A pickup, a 323, a 626 and a 929 (I think this one was an import or something). They all seemed to work fine. Im my opinion, if it's built from the ground up by Mazda (without Ford intervention) it's probably a reliable car.

jinx1832 said:I am actually looking into the CX-7 not the CX-9, I have no need for the extra space (3rd row seats). The CX-7 has a turbo charged V4 and they recommend premium gas to enhance the performance and achieve a higher MPG. However, when you do the math, the difference between using standard vs. premium fuel is less than $250/year. So, if i can get way below invoice, i can deal with the premium fuel and 18 MPG.

I think the CX7 is a fabulous piece of kit.
Stylish & practical.
Wish it was more fuel efficient & the premium gas is a downer.

But the zoom zoom factor is obviously greater in the package than the CX9. & that's not a knock on the CX9 either.

you can't lose going for either as a total redesign isn't scheduled for another 2 years.