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I was filling up today at a pretty busy gas station, and I noticed something that I thought was interesting. I'm in NJ, which is a full service only state - there is a pump attendant who takes your CC or your cash, and then pumps the desired amount of gas for you. Out of the 5 cars that were filling up at the pumps near mine, 4 were paying with cash, with fill-ups ranging from $20 to $60.

This made me wonder, if working as a pump attendant could be a good income opportunity for a college student for example, or just someone looking for some extra income. I'm sure the pump attendants get paid slightly above min. wage at best, but if you have one or several credit cards giving you 5% or better at the pump, and decent credit limits, you could charge the cash customer's fill-ups to your CC, and take the cash. Pay off your cards every couple of days, and just reap the rewards. At a busy gas station, I'd imagine you could easily get several thousand worth of usage per day.

Does anyone see any potential problems with this? Would this be violating any laws? Would you posting several thousand worth of charges from the same station to a credit card cause adverse action from the issuer? If you spread the charges across several cards, you can probably avoid that.

Anyway, I was just wondering. Criticize what you see wrong with this idea. I don't really have time or desire for a part time job anyway, but I figured if this works, it can help out someone who's looking to make some extra money.

Message edited by: SSG on 2008-09-04 13:22:36 CDT

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works fine if you have correct change.

For a less convoluted version of the same concept, check out the "US Mint" thread. Buy dollar coins at face value with free shipping, deposit coins at bank, reap 5% rewards.

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Certainly an interesting idea. Some things to consider:
1. As sountechie stated, having correct change to give the customer, if necessary.
2. Need to have the gas station "cashier" or whoever actually swipes and processes the CC charge buy into this. They are going to be curious (to put it mildly) as to why YOU are paying for the customer.
3. The owner certainly is NOT going to like it since it directly eats into his profit.
4. See if there are caps on the 5% Cash Back on your CC.

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Didn't Winona Ryder do this in Reality Bites?

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Most of the gas stations have pumps with built in card readers, so you don't have to deal with any cashier. But you're right, you'd have to carry some coins with you, to give change if needed.

Good point about the Cash Back caps, I didn't think of that, I guess you'd have to make sure you don't have one. And yeah, I'm sure you'd have to do this on the down low from the owner/manager.


uutxs said:Certainly an interesting idea. Some things to consider:
1. As sountechie stated, having correct change to give the customer, if necessary.
2. Need to have the gas station "cashier" or whoever actually swipes and processes the CC charge buy into this. They are going to be curious (to put it mildly) as to why YOU are paying for the customer.
3. The owner certainly is NOT going to like it since it directly eats into his profit.
4. See if there are caps on the 5% Cash Back on your CC.

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please post a link to the usmint thread

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If you're clever enough to come up with stuff like this, hopefully you're clever enough to get a better job than gas station attendant .

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ecomajor said:please post a link to the usmint threadType "US mint" in FWF "title search"

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I had thought about this as well recently. Although a couple of pitfalls

1. CC companies will likely believe there is fraud on your account if there is multiple purchases from the same gas station on the same day.

2. If the owner finds out - you're in deep ****, especially these days with the fees being so high due to the cost of gas. There have already been gas station owners complaining about the fees, if they find out an employee or some customer is doing this for others, they'd be on you in a minute.

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ecomajor said:please post a link to the usmint thread

Before you jump, remember they're shipping currency. The potential incredible hassle if they never arrive (see ianxxi's post) and having to deal with Uncle Sam just isn't worth reaping a few % in rewards.

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Definitely thinking outside the box. (Green for OP.) Now if you (or others) can just stay out of the box (prison).

Some cards, like AMEX's business SimplyCash card (5% Cash Back on gas purchases) are uncapped--unless AMEX considers imposing an FR (a Financial Review) as a cap.

SSG said:Would this be violating any laws? Anyway, I was just wondering. ... I figured if this works, it can help out someone who's looking to make some extra money.

Message edited by: Smooth on 2008-09-04 14:30:49 CDT
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if i were the owner, i'd fire your "out of the box thinking" ass and backcharge you for the fees you incurred on my behalf.

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From '01-early '04 I worked full-time at a convenience store (midwest capital city). This was in the days before 5%/6% CashBack unfortunately, but I had my Discover card (tiering up to 1%, ooh baby) and had uses for cash at that time so...

When people came in and paid with exact change (or even something simple to figure out for a customer not looking at the screens for info), usually gas, I'd pocket the $, usually wait til the end of my shift (I'd often combine multiple purchases onto one receipt) and run it thru my card. I approached $250 in a single transaction, grand total over a couple years...doubt I passed a couple-few thousand.

In addition to the lackluster "profit" behind it, I was also not so sure my employer wouldn't come across a "red flag" of one CC paying for a shit-ton of stuff, or the CC issuer getting curious as to how I could spend so much at a gas station (especially with recent history showing about 2 fill-ups a month). As time wore on I became less confident in my employer's aptitude (I was a manager so I knew it was possible, I just knew how all-around inept they were as well), so I never stopped completely.

If I was in a similar position today....oh yeah, I'd make that s*** work. Between Driver's Edge this, CashReturns that, Discover Open Road somethingorother.... of course, having a job that actually pays well may be the winning proposition in the long haul, but can't beat the feeling of free money.

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- Multiple transactions coming from the same gas station - same day and then repeat would trigger investigation from CC comapny.
- CC would potentially contact the gas station to see what is going on and if your boss hasn't found out by then, then he would at that time.

- Keep your get away car filled and ready to go...ohh yeah and don't forget to charge that gas on the same card too

Good idea but won't work out in real life. Good for Ph.D. thesis...

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here is a better idea. and it doesnt have to be a gas station.

If you were the responsible person for closing up a store at night...Take all the cash before closing and charge the amount on your credit card.

This will eliminate the multiple transactions flagging CC companies...

But as pointed out before, doesnt get the owner off your back because of the processing fee required...

Message edited by: niktobos on 2008-09-04 14:57:25 CDT
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A more workable scheme would be to take a high-returns card (limited 5% back, or 5% at grocery store) and use it to purchase large amounts of gift cards. Then sell said gift cards for cash to your friends/family. If you've got friends who don't care to hassle with Cash Back cards, or are just happy with a 1% back card, you could get 5% back, sell GCs to them for 1-2% off face value, and keep the rest of the Cash Back.

This would be less prone to investigation by the CC, and wouldn't get you fired (unless perhaps you were a grocery checker and soliciting customers). I don't even know if selling gift cards to family would constitute fraud, but it could definitely lead to adverse action on your CC.

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or get in on it with the owner...

figure out what the owners processing fee schedule is...

i.e. ~2%

if you have a card with 5% Cash Back, just pay the fee to the owner plus maybe a little extra...keep the rest!

for smaller stores, there may be a possibility to lower the processing fee based on volume too since all transactions will be with CC rather than cash...

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I live in NJ and I have thought about this same exact scheme too.

You don't need correct change in my area because the guys will generally refuse to pump say $10.25 worth of gas... and if you fill up they'll squeeze some gas into your tank so it comes out to an even dollar amount.

I did seriously consider doing this but realized it's pointless in that you can get paid well elsewhere (a lot of accounting internships were paying $18-$26/hour) and it's crucial to build your resume a bit during your summers off.

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bassmanben said:1. CC companies will likely believe there is fraud on your account if there is multiple purchases from the same gas station on the same day.After the 2nd or 3rd purchase, card will be frozen. And you will have to call your issuer. And same thing will happen again and again. Anti-Fraud systems will automatically do this over and over.

And, you would of course be fired by your employer the first moment he finds out what you are doing.

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