don't really know why these people are comparing cars costing 3x the price to econocars, seriously? Both the accent and elantra are good cars, cheap to maintain and cheap upfront cost. don't let the brand fool you nor people saying oh I have (google cars costing x3 the price and enter it here) discourage you from looking into these type of cars. If you are in the market for a reasonably priced car and do not want to buy used, these are good cars to consider. These are reliable cars equipped with modern safety features and again, cheap to maintain. Not everyone needs a 40K+ car as a daily driver. I have a Kia Spectra 5 SX as a daily driver and also an S2000 for weekend fun. The kia has been just as reliable as the honda. Do your research people, thats all I'm saying.

Nakatomi said:QSupport said:haha Females do care about cars...their own as well as their hubby's/boyfriends. Someone said "show me a female who does not care about what they drive and I'll show you a loser"

Even prostitutes will probably look at you lowly in a Hyundai.

Ha ha. That was funny. However, i think a few folks still think of hyundai as the crappy Korean car company of the 80s. Those days are over folks. They now build world class cars that has Detroit execs spending long nights at the office. Witness the upcoming coupe...

http://www.hyundaifans.com/rides/viewtopic.php?t=11&f=27&sid=868f17c23fe95ede4b80c35b97d1862f

Hyundai is a very popular brand in india
see linky

one thing against hyundai by my personal experience
if you are driving a sonata on a highway, in windy situation, it will shake like crazy!!

wildbottom said:NoPieForZeus,

Didnt Mazda dropped Millenia way back in 2002 for US Market?
The Millenia uses a Miller Cycle Powerplant that breaks down and is expensive to repair.
Mazda doesnt have a luxury contender in US. Anyways their cars are slitely more expensive than honda and Toyota. And they are more focused in the sporty and stylish cars....

I think Mazda discontinued the Millenia in 2003 actually. It was a really good looking car I thought. Still see them on the road.

I don't think all Millenia received the Miller cycle engine in all model years. (That was only the S).

I know the regular Millenia got pretty good reliability.

I have never heard that the miller cycle versions were unreliable and expensive to repair. What have you heard?

(Mazda still uses Miller cycle engines, but not in the USA I think)

superdrew said:Note: No radio, No AC at that price.

really!

they still make those!

NoPieForZeus said:The problem is that once a car climbs over 30k in price, image and status become part of the equation. Every review I have seen of the Genesis says it redefines the quality a 35k car can be and compares favorably with much more expensive vehicles as well. People just have a hard time paying that much for a "value" brand name. Toyota succeeded not only because their Lexus vehicles were excellent but they differentiated them significantly from the "value" Toyota brand name and provided a "Better" dealer experience (e.g. not having to rub elbows with common peons driving Camrys).

Upscaling without that market differentiation doesn''t work. For example, Mazda dumped their plans for the Amanti luxury brand and dealer network. They just released their first "Amanti" vehicle (the Millenia) under the Mazda name - the vehicle was much better than the base Mazda but failed to draw buyers who saw the car as too "pricey" to be a Mazda.

It's only in America that we have this problem. The Lexus brand doesn't exist in other parts of the world. For the most part they're all badged "Toyota".

Hyundai has now 1000$ rebate on accent, 3000$ on sonata.

10,990 $ Accent sedan Link

I tried today asking for the above price advertised to my local dealer, But he was not ready to offer anything less then 14780 -1000 Rebate...

any deal in Houston area?

mrkk said:Hyundai is a very popular brand in india
see linky

one thing against hyundai by my personal experience
if you are driving a sonata on a highway, in windy situation, it will shake like crazy!!

hmmm...

My sonata didn't give me that feeling...not anymore than my mother's accord or my previous tacoma truck(v6)