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Guys, here's a great article (long) to help you avoid shelling out for a POINTLESS diamond. I had the experience last year of finally selling my ex's engagement ring. Was really pissed off when I was given 10x more for the BAND then the diamond.

Want an easy way to save 3+ months’ salary? Don’t buy a diamond engagement ring. If your fiancée, friends and family scream hellfire, calmly explain:

It’s just marketing. The whole “A Diamond is Forever” and the idea of a diamond engagement ring is not an ancient tradition to be revered and followed. It is Sprite’s “Obey Your Thirst.” It is Nike’s “Just Do It.” It is Gary Dahl’s “Pet Rock.” Not only did De Beers understand it had to control supply (buying up and closing down any diamond mine discovered), they had to control demand. They had to make it sentimental. And Americans were the perfect suckers. They targeted the US specifically for our marketability. This campaign is less than 70 years old yet has become so ingrained in our culture that the diamond engagement ring has become the ultimate symbol of how much the relationship, the girl, and love itself is worth.

Diamonds aren’t rare. Fine, using marketing tactics can’t be blamed since that’s part of the game of capitalism. But another part of the game is competition. It’s all well and good if marketers can convince consumers to buy them instead of the competition based on a nice slogan, but the competition should be there to protect the consumer. All gems are valued based on their rarity (as are most things in life). But diamonds are abundant. De Beers has a huge vault where they keep most of the world’s supply of diamonds. If it ever got released into the market, the way it would be if they weren’t a monopoly, diamonds would be worth nothing. It’s literally a pretty rock.

Diamonds have no resale value. The reason a “diamond is forever” is because you’re basically stuck with it. You’ll never be able to resell it except to a pawn shop. Even a jeweler (the few who would be willing to buy it) would offer a fraction of what you paid.

(Not a joke, the guy at the jewlery shop told me flat out they have SO many of these smaller diamonds (1/4c) that they have almost no value. I think I got $30 for it and paid $800 for the stone alone.)

Synthetic diamonds will flood the market. Synthetic or “cultured” diamonds are already being made and within the next few years, will be efficiently made for the mass market. These are real diamonds. They are made in a machine that replicates the environmental forces that make diamonds. The only difference is that they’re better. They have less flaws. And they cost a fraction of the going rate. Want a 2-carat pink diamond? That’ll be a few thousand dollars.

Moissanite looks just like a diamond. Jewelers had to upgrade their equipment to detect Moissanite from diamonds when it came into the market. It’s undetectable with the naked eye. And it’s actually more brilliant. A 1-carat ring is under $1000.

Who is the ring for, anyway? Seriously. As The Dilettante so poignantly put it, “For women, comparing jewelry is our phallic posturing contest: look at how big MY dic….er, I mean, diamond is.” It’s fun to show off for about 30 seconds. After that there is little to show for the debt incurred for the shiny piece of rock. That money could have gone into furniture, an amazing trip (or many nice ones), your future kids’ college funds!!

Are these reasons still not enough? Watch Blood Diamond. It is high time Hollywood dared to broach the subject of diamonds, especially when they had a hand in marketing it to the public in the first place. Blood Diamond, is an explicit example of the blood and war that has spanned the entire history of the De Beers’ diamond cartel. The story of Sierra Leone isn’t an isolated event, nor is the conflict over just because the movie says there’s peace in Sierra Leone now.

What are conflict/blood diamonds? Conflict/blood diamonds are used by rebel groups to fuel conflict and civil wars, and by terrorist groups to finance their activities.

The Kimberley Process is just PR. It’s an agreement that is supposed to prevent conflict diamonds from getting into the market but ended up being more of a PR stunt since it’s based on a system of self-policing. The UN reported in October 2006 that due to poor enforcement of the Kimberley Process, $23 million of conflict diamonds from Cote d’lvoire alone entered the legitimate market. Sure De Beers won’t buy diamonds coming out of Cote d’lvoire, but they’ll turn a blind eye to the smuggling of diamonds from there through Ghana and Mali where they are certified as being conflict-free.

Percentage in the market. During the height of the diamond conflict in the 1990s, the diamond industry reported that no more than 4% of the diamonds in the market were conflict diamonds, when in reality it has been shown to be closer to 15% .

Asking for conflict-free certificates is not enough. In April 2006 after a scathing report by Partnership Africa Canada about activities in Brazil, an internal review showed that 49 of 147 Kimberley Process certificates were fraudulent. Besides these fraudulent certificates, real certificates could still be issued if conflict diamonds were smuggled and mixed with legally traded ones before being certified.

Children in India are cutting and polishing the diamonds. Children in India can become “bonded” – forced to work to pay off the debts of their family. These children end up working in the diamond factories.

Children in conflict zones are being used as soldiers. The images in Blood Diamond with child soldiers are very real. They are drugged and brainwashed to handle the manslaughter they are forced to do.

Jennifer Connelly says in the movie Blood Diamond, “People back home would not buy a diamond if they knew it cost someone their hand.” Now you know.

Message edited by: jayK on 2008-10-09 12:03:15 CDT
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I'm with you on this one, buddy. You could say I'm in the market for a ring but hate the fact that diamonds exist in an artificial market. Some people think I should be committed after I explain what you've so tactfully posted... let alone my girlfriend (says she can't tell true diamonds from cubic zirconia or maybe even glass!) who had a conniption when I told her all this the first time.

I guess I'm sort of between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the decision I will be making in the next 3 months...purchase a fatefully overpriced diamond or what you've suggested about Moissanite. It sort of feels like she'll have the Kia of rings if I go the latter route, but what the heck, it gets good mpg!

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Go with Moissanite. If she puts up a fight, kick her to the curb.

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Haha. I like the way you think... Green for you!

I might drop into a jewelry store with her and look at them...see what her initial reaction is.

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BillLumberg said:Go with Moissanite. If she puts up a fight, kick her to the curb.

Maybe men in the US should stand up for themselves and refuse to shell out huge amounts of money toward this scam.

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I'll never make the "diamond" mistake again. I have posted here before against the whole diamond is forever BS. I bought a nice diamond for a "good" price, but ended up breaking up with the girl. Now I have what amounts to a paperweight collecting dust in a safe. Its practiaclly worthless.

My current wife didn't want a diamond. We just got nice wedding bands and that was good enough for her. Sweet. She also likes beer and baseball. Score!

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OP: It would help if you could give credit to the author, a quick summary, and link to the original instead of infringing their copyright.

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I'd go with CZ over moissanite. Moissanite does not look like a diamond because it is doubly refractive, and larger ones have greenish cast to them. A well cut CZ is closer if your GF wants something that looks like a diamond. I asked my now husband for a CZ, but he decided to get me a diamond. Oh well, I tried. I'm quite fond of my engagement ring, but I'm pretty sure I would feel the same if it was a CZ instead of a diamond.

Last time I checked, colorless synthetics cost more than a mined diamond. Gotta recoup those R&D costs. ("Synthetic" = man made actual diamonds, chemically, physically, and optically identical to the mined kind. Not to be confused with "simulant" = something that looks like a diamond but is not, like a CZ, moissanite, or white sapphire.)

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kamalktk said:OP: It would help if you could give credit to the author, a quick summary, and link to the original instead of infringing their copyright.

Yea, link please. I need to send this to my girlfriend (along with some of the quotes from here from women who don't care about a stupid diamond).

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Old news, not sure it's worth repeating. The message has either been heard already by those willing to hear it, or muted by those who chose to ignore it.

Solution: find a spouse who's aware of the issues and won't request a big diamond ring. Unless SHE can pay for it with her earnings and savings, DTB. She's a high-maintenance wife to happen.

My own ring was $800 and we actually split the cost along with his wedding ring. Good imitations are easily procurable, nobody will know the difference so there's no financial sense in even having diamonds. Even without getting into the morals of the trade it encourages.

Btw, they're not forever. Bring a flame nearby and they'll carbonize very quickly. But hey that's one way to know if it's a diamond or cubic zirconia.

Message edited by: Shandril on 2008-10-09 12:25:11 CDT
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I am waiting for the financial wizzards to invent a contract to short diamonds (not the DJ).

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Canadian diamonds are laser enscribed as proof they are not conflict diamonds.

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I wish people could get over the idea of wearing a ring at all. It's so 8th grade. It's one of those things that has absolutely no utility to anyone, outside of showing it off in social situations. People get so wrapped up in it's intrinsic value as a symbol of commitment that they ignore it's practical and actual worthlessness. For people who feel that they "need" an expensive ring as a symbol of how much someone is willing to drop on you -- why don't you buy them something of actual value and not imaginary value? For those that need a symbol of commitment, there are surely more meaningful ways to display that. The diamond industry is just like the greeting card to me -- an invented industry, not out of necessity but out of excess, a completely empty and lazy gesture. It's amazing how good marketing can actually change societal norms.

My best friend just spent almost four grand on the diamond ring for his girlfriend, meanwhile they struggle to afford to even pay their rent. Yikes!

Message edited by: robjv1 on 2008-10-09 11:51:15 CDT
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robjv1 said:I wish people could get over the idea of wearing a ring at all. It's so 8th grade. It's one of those things that has absolutely no utility to anyone, outside of showing it off in social situations.

It's the overgrown sorority girl mentality. They need to one-up their friends and show that they got a bigger "rock."

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robjv1 said:My best friend just spent almost four grand on the diamond ring for his girlfriend, meanwhile they struggle to afford to even pay their rent. Yikes!

And then when they get a house and can't pay their mortgage they'll complain about "predatory lenders."

I know I sometimes start to sound a little sanctimonious when the topic of diamonds comes up, and if people could actually afford them then it wouldn't be my place to tell them how to spend their money. The problem is our whole frikkin country has a negative savings rate, so it's pretty obvious that most Americans should not be spending thousands of dollars on rocks that have zero real-world value.

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Has this been discussed before?
Here
And Here

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Do an internet search on DeBeers cartel.

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All these arguments are perfectly reasonable to a LOGICAL person. The marketing campaign and social pressure appeals to emotions. You can't provide logical and rational reasoning to an emotional response.

Rent and watch "Blood Diamond" movie with her. I was moved by it, this is your only chance to break the emotional appeal of a big shiny rock.

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