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http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081007/REG/810079894

Looks like 401k deductions - and possibly existing funds are _potentially_ on the chopping block. Guess the government doesn't have enough problems - they're looking to get into the universal pension game.

A wide range of sweeping changes to the 401(k) system were proposed Tuesday at a hearing on how the market crisis has devastated retirement savings plans.

Chief among them was eliminating $80 billion in tax savings for higher-income people enrolled in 401(k) retirement savings plans.

This was suggested by the chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor.

“With respect to the 401(k), it appears to be a plan that is not really well-devised for the changes in the market,” Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., said.

“We’ve invested $80 billion into subsidizing this activity,” he said, referring to tax breaks allowed for 401(k) contributions and savings.

With savings rates going down, “what do we have to start to think about in Congress of whether or not we want to continue and invest that $80 billion for a policy that is not generating what we … say it should?” Mr. Miller said.

Congress should let workers trade their 401(k) assets for guaranteed retirement accounts made up of government bonds, suggested Teresa Ghilarducci, an economics professor at The New School for Social Research in New York.

When workers collected Social Security, the guaranteed retirement account would pay an inflation-adjusted annuity under her plan.

“The way the government now encourages 401(k) plans is to spend $80 billion in tax breaks,” which goes to the highest-income earners, Ms. Ghilarducci said.

That simply results in transferring money from taxed savings accounts to untaxed accounts, she said.

“If we implement automatic [individual retirement accounts] or if we expand the 401(k) system, all we’re doing is adding to this inefficiency,” Ms. Ghilarducci said.

Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J., raised the issue of which investment advisers are allowed to offer workers investment advice.

The Department of Labor is considering “loopholes” that would allow advisers to offer “conflicted investment advice if the advisers work for subsidiaries of financial services companies that sell the investments,” he said.

With American workers facing $2 trillion in losses from retirement plans over the past year and Democrats expected to gain seats in the House and the Senate, actions being contemplated by the committee are an important harbinger of what could come out of Congress next year.

testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci (2008-10-07)
short term solution:
"I propose that since 401(k) accounts and the like are financial institutions -- the bank about where 38% of the workforce2 can intend to save for their retirement -- Congress let workers trade their 401(k) and 401(k) - type plan assets (perhaps valued at mid-August prices) for a Guaranteed Retirement Account composed of government bonds (earning a 3% return, adjusted for inflation). When the worker collects Social Security, the Guaranteed Retirement Account will pay an inflation adjusted annuity, based on the accumulated funds."

long term solution:
"I propose Congress establish universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts and the federal government deposit $600 (inflation indexed) in those Guaranteed Retirement Accounts every year for every worker. Every worker (not in an equivalent defined benefit plan) would save 5% of their pay into their Guaranteed Retirement Account to which the government pays a 3%inflation-indexed guaranteed return. Workers would earn pension credits based on these accumulations."


testimony of Jerry Bramlett (2008-10-07) ... "exchanging the equity investments in your retirement account for Treasury bills is not a sound long-term investment strategy and will subject retirees to substantial inflation risk." (Which is why Ghilarducci's plan is 3% plus an inflation index. and one version of the plan is that it does invest in stocks with the 3%/year return just as a floor.)

Message edited by: zmre2b9 on 2008-10-25 22:59:06 CDT
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FU@( THEM!!!

Put this GD politicians on SSN and I bet their sorry asses finally fix it.

WTF would they make this change? As much as we struggle, you would think they would be trying to cut us a break.

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Congress should let workers trade their 401(k) assets for guaranteed retirement accounts made up of government bonds, suggested Teresa Ghilarducci, an economics professor at The New School for Social Research in New York.
Oh. Hell. No.

Yeah, what they are asking for is a big fat loan from us to foot the bill for this crap bailout that 100-1 most people were against.

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chocula said:WTF would they make this change? As much as we struggle, you would think they would be trying to cut us a break.There's no evidence that removing the 401(k) deduction has widespread support in Congress, or any support for that matter besides the single Representative mentioned.

Sure makes for a great sensationalist headline though.

Message edited by: jayK on 2008-10-09 14:16:23 CDT
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jayK said:chocula said:WTF would they make this change? As much as we struggle, you would think they would be trying to cut us a break.There's no evidence that removing the 401(k) deduction has widespread support in Congress, or any support for that matter besides the single Representative mentioned.

Sure makes for a great sensationalist headline though.

And it gives us FW types one more thing to bitch about.

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"The markets are crashing, how will we fix it?"


"Let's encourage everyone to sell off every stock in all thier 401k's. "


*headdesk*

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This has to be one of the dumbest things I have seen in a long time. As a nation should we invest retirement funds in government bonds which only encourages congress to continue to run huge deficits and produces little long term economic wealth or should we invest in companies that need capitol and can make the entire economy bigger and stronger. Kinda seems like a no brainer to me...

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Ownership society my a$$. That would be pwnership. Can't believe this is proposed by a REPUBLICAN. Are they on crack?

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ajf3 said:
Congress should let workers trade their 401(k) assets for guaranteed retirement accounts made up of government bonds, suggested Teresa Ghilarducci, an economics professor at The New School for Social Research in New York.

She is not partial at all.

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"We haven't punished the financially responsible nearly enough, what should we do?"

"Oh, I don't know, maybe tax 401k contributions?"

"Brilliant!"


"Really? I was joking."

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aleck said:ajf3 said:
Congress should let workers trade their 401(k) assets for guaranteed retirement accounts made up of government bonds, suggested Teresa Ghilarducci, an economics professor at The New School for Social Research in New York.


She is not partial at all.
What a pic!

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jmz668 said:aleck said:ajf3 said:
Congress should let workers trade their 401(k) assets for guaranteed retirement accounts made up of government bonds, suggested Teresa Ghilarducci, an economics professor at The New School for Social Research in New York.


She is not partial at all.
What a pic!

This is one time where a request for pics should be banned !!

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aleck said:Can't believe this is proposed by a REPUBLICAN. Are they on crack?

FYI

Rep. = Representative
D-N.J. = Democrat from New Jersey

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weezyrob said:aleck said:Can't believe this is proposed by a REPUBLICAN. Are they on crack?

FYI

Rep. = Representative
D-N.J. = Democrat from New Jersey


And republicans use cocaine, not crack.

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Funny stuff. As long as its voluntary, fine. But if they force me to sell low to buy bonds I will go on a hunger strike.

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jayK said:chocula said:WTF would they make this change? As much as we struggle, you would think they would be trying to cut us a break.There's no evidence that removing the 401(k) deduction has widespread support in Congress, or any support for that matter besides the single Representative mentioned.

Sure makes for a great sensationalist headline though.

Evidence or not. I think anyone even thinking of this is a complete moron.

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last time, we had universal pension, it's called social security. Are they forgetting about our big social security money pit we still gotta think about how to fill up? For all I know social security probably will go bankrupt by the time I start collecting from it. I'd rather have my in my 401k and I take responibility for the gains and losses. I don't like the Republicans as well esp. McCain's idea of buy bad mortgage, but Democrats...sicken me with their socialist ideas.

But anyways, I don't think this proposal will be discussed anyways. The stock market is already on the fall, take out all the potential investments funds from 401k, the market will probably be down to the point of no return. Morons, you never know what they can think up of.

Message edited by: suntex on 2008-10-09 15:47:37 CDT
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Don't wory, by the time the bill passes, the 401K balance will drop another 50-75% the way is Dow is falling...

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"This is gettin' to be re-goddamn-diculous!"

Seriously, can the Dems find a few more ways to take money away from people to help 'even out' the playing field.

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