I've been looking for a firm mattress and if you're like me and like FIRM and separate coils in your mattress this is a great deal.
I have a platform bed - which has now paid for itself in the savings I have made by not needing to buy box frame!
Rooms to Go have next day delivery, best I could find in the mattress stores was at least 2 t0 3 hundred bucks more and with a 5 to 10 day wait for delivery...
• 980 Coil Density Individually Pocketed Coils provide additional support to reduce pressure points and support your natural shape, Level 2 (Better) motion separation to reduce sleep disturbance caused by partner tossing and turning, and long lasting durability. • Firmer gauge wire in the coils and a tight top (non pillow top) design provide that “Firm” solid feel. • A layer of Visco Elastic Memory Foam provides support and pressure relief. • 360° Foam Encased Edge Support for the best edge to edge sleep surface and seating edge. • The Triton foundation reduces motion across the mattress and provides unparalleled durability Notes: • 10 year non-prorated warranty • Mattress height 12 inches.
I ignored all the web reviews that said how horrible the "Simmons Beautyrest World Class" mattress (and mattress company) is, and bought one anyway. Delivered on Jan 1st this year. (Yep, New Years Day, 6am, I guessed they thought we might ignore stuff with a bad hangover).
We actually had the first one delivered a couple days prior, but it had some black marks on it (voids warranty), and a spring was sticking out the side, so we rejected it. Next one had no marks and no springs sticky out. During inspection, the delivery people said not to expect much, since they all are mass produced without much quality control after assembly, and all will have some flaws.
It was nice to sleep on the first couple weeks.
Reviews all over the net were 100% accurate. My 15 year old mattress was much better than this pile. Warranty is totally useless. Read about what you must do, and how much it must sag in one spot to get warranty service.
Google this mattress for more horror stories from others that were stuck with this garbage.
But, read reviews of other mattresses and you will see similar complaints about junk. That was my issue after spending a couple days researching what was the right mattress to buy. How can every mattress be junk from every mattress company? So I took a chance, and made the mistake of buying a Simmons Beautyrest World Class. Sorry, I can not recommend any other that is better. Maybe look in someones trash? At least you have a good chance of getting a better one than this.
mattressman
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posted: Nov. 19, 2008 @ 8:38a
Simmons is worthless. They do not double-temper their steel, meaning it has no memory to keep its original position. You do not want this bed. Also, note that it says 900 coil DENSITY....That does not mean it has 900+ coils, far far less. Sealy Posturepedic is the way to go.
mattressman
Member
posted: Nov. 19, 2008 @ 8:40a
Also, the foam encasement is only 1 inch thick, Sealy's is 3 inches thick. And Simmons is nowhere near as firm around the edges. They measure the firmness of foams in ILD. Ask Simmons what the ILD is....you'll be surprised. Also, ask them the density of the "memory foam"
mattressman said: Simmons is worthless. They do not double-temper their steel, meaning it has no memory to keep its original position. You do not want this bed. Also, note that it says 900 coil DENSITY....That does not mean it has 900+ coils, far far less. Sealy Posturepedic is the way to go.What on god's green earth are you talking about? Tempering the steel has NOTHING to do with the steel's ability to keep its original position.
Different manufacturers use different design and construction methods in their mattresses. As far as consumers are concerned, we should primarily care about comfort and value, which will always be subjective and vary person to person.
Personally, we currently own a top of the line Stearns & Foster mattress set (Sealy owns Stearns & Foster, which is a luxury mattress manufacturer), which we've had to replace twice in the last 5 years due to body indentations exceeding 1.5" (which is what's required by both Sealy and Simmons to authorize a warranty exchange). Finally, we got pretty tired of it and decided to purchase a new mattress. We've tried everything from Sealy Posturepedic, the Hotel Collection (a Stearns & Foster mattress), Serta to the ultra expensive latex beds, the DUX Bed for $6K, Kluft mattresses for $5-$7K and Shifman mattresses for $4K-$5K. Out of all these mattresses for us the best combination of comfort and value will actually be a Simmons WorldClass cushion firm mattress with 3" memory foam encasement, which we are about to buy. As for the warranty coverage, both Sealy and Simmons provide a 10 year non-prorated warranty and authorize replacement for indentations of 1.5". As you would expect, both Sealy and Simmons have a TON of posts out there from people complaining about mattress issues -- that's to be expected in the mattress industry.
As always, YMMV, but please don't post these utterly false statements that one mattress maker is superior to the other one.
P.S. By the way, here is how another retailer responded to a very similar question:
Q: I've read that Simmons coils do not use tempered steel and will therefore deform more quickly than brands using tempered steel coils.
A: Simmons coil is a "high carbon" steel and does not need to be tempered. It has excellent memory and will continue to return to its original height after years of use. Also, the Beautyrest pocketed coil is pre-compressed, not a static coil like a regular innerspring unit. Carbon steel is less brittle than tempered steel, helping the Original Beautyrest Pocketed Coil spring stay resilient for the life of the mattress. But, that's not all: Beautyrest® mattresses use up to twice as much steel per coil as what is found in competitive products. Back to pre-compression, each Beautyrest pocketed coil is pre-compressed 1 1/ 2" before being placed in the pocketing material so when the pocket is opened, the coil springs out. This is an example of how the coil is fighting to stay uncompressed so it fill in those places where pressure is missing under you lumbar area.
Here is a link. Yes, the retailer giving the reponse above is not exactly impartial and neither is mattressman, who has previously posted that he's in the mattress business. Independent tests, such as those done by Consumer Reports and many others, have never shown any concrete advantage to various mattress designs out there and have all uniformly advised people to purchase mattresses based on their comfort preferences and to ignore the arguments that one design is better than the other one.
mattressman said: Also, the foam encasement is only 1 inch thick, Sealy's is 3 inches thick.Again, nonsense. Simmons' cushion firm mattresses have 3" thick foam encasement while the extra firm ones have 1" of foam.
I was told that the warranty will be voided if you do not buy the set (with the box). It seems that the mattress company will do anything to deny your warranty. Mattress warranty is a joke.
f2000sa said: Looks better than the W bed. Can someone comment?See my post here for an explanation regarding the W bed. This is a MUCH better deal than the W bed, which may or may not mean that it's the right deal for you. This is a higher end mattress than the W bed, but you may or may not like it. The W bed is also only available in plush and in pillow top whereas this is an extra firm, so a lot depends on the comfort level that you are looking for.
f2000sa said: I was told that the warranty will be voided if you do not buy the set (with the box). It seems that the mattress company will do anything to deny your warranty. Mattress warranty is a joke.Don't listen to rumors and do your own research. Simmons' warranty information can be found here. As Simmons' warranty page explains, you will lose your warranty coverage if your mattress is "not used with a proper foundation," which is defined as "(i) Simmons foundation or a supportive, rigid non-yielding foundation. Queen, Olympic® queen, and king size must have sufficient center support, or (ii) The appropriate Simmons’ adjustable foundation" (underlining is mine).
Here is Stearns & Foster's warranty info. As you can see, it is almost identical to that if Simmons. Specifically, here is what it says about the foundation: "Your mattress must be continuously supported by a matching boxspring, or equivalent, with an appropriate frame. The frame should include a rigid center support with at least 5 hardwood cross slats for queen and king sets. A rigid center support is equal to a support that extends from the frame to the ground." Sealy's warranty looks identical to that of Stearns & Foster, which is not surprising since Sealy owns them.
RobsTV said: Google this mattress for more horror stories from others that were stuck with this garbage.Just as an fyi, ALL mattresses and mattress manufacturers have plenty of horror stories out there. The same applies to car manufacturers, airlines, etc... When it comes to any warranty coverage, be sure to familiarize yourself with warranty terms BEFORE you buy and then do your best to follow them. This way there will be less of a chance that you'll experience problems getting your warranty claims resolved to your satisfaction.
f2000sa said: The Canberra is $799. It is 15.5 inch, and seems to be good deal also. Does this compare with the W Bed Plush
CanberraAgain, as I pointed out in this linked post, the W bed only has 825 coils in queen mattresses, whereas this one has 980 coils and is, therefore, a higher end mattress (you can't compare coil count across different manufacturers, however, since manufacturing designs differ significantly). It also has a 360 degree foam encased edge support, which the W bed lacks, since the W bed is a lower end model. The Rooms to Go website does not explain the comfort level of its mattresses, so you have to call them to find it out.
Regardless, you should never purchase ANY mattress without trying it out first. Try it out and then decide which one has the best combination of comfort and value. By the way, I just checked and Rooms to Go does not carry Worldclass mattresses in cushion firm (with a 3" visco memory foam layer), which is what I am getting ready to buy.
geo123 said: Out of all these mattresses for us the best combination of comfort and value will actually be a Simmons WorldClass cushion firm mattress with 3" memory foam encasement, which we are about to buy. ...
As always, YMMV, but please don't post these utterly false statements that one mattress maker is superior to the other one.
Thanks for all the comments. It should help others.
However, I see you are "about to buy". I must have missed the part that said you already owned one of these for several months, and have first hand knowledge. I too thought it was great...for a few weeks. It was AMAZING in the showroom!!!! Nothing like after owning one 3 weeks later, and now 11 months later. Lot's of aspirin will help your backaches.
RobsTV said: However, I see you are "about to buy". I must have missed the part that said you already owned one of these for several months, and have first hand knowledge. I too thought it was great...for a few weeks. It was AMAZING in the showroom!!!! Nothing like after owning one 3 weeks later, and now 11 months later. Lot's of aspirin will help your backaches.That's the reason that it is so important to purchase mattresses from retailers that offer comfort trials. Most large retailers will give you 30-60 days to sleep on a mattress and will then take it back after charging a restocking fee. Macy's fee is 10% of the price plus $70 pickup charge, but it's WAY better than being stuck with an uncomfortable mattress. Costco and Sam's Club will take mattresses back at any time without charging you a restocking fee (Costco also sells some high end mattresses online but you can't try them out before you buy them but you can obviously return them at any time).
Again, comfort preferences are always subjective and you often won't get a good idea about the way a mattress will truly feel until you've slept on it for a while. It's not really the mattress manufacturers' fault that we find some mattresses comfortable in a showroom only to end up hating them after we've slept on it for a while and this happens with all mattresses and all mattress makers.
P.S. By the way, I am in no way attacking you, but you mentioned that you've seen lots of complaints regarding the "Simmons Beautyrest World Class" mattress. As you probably know, there are dozens of variations of the World Class mattress. The "World Class" designation does mean that they all have the same coil count but you can't really compare an extra firm mattress to a super plush pillow top one, for instance.
Regardless, as I pointed out above, mattress comfort is always subjective, so you expect to find plenty of people hating and plenty of people loving the same mattress. I've also seen a lot of complaints on the web that show that the person did not even bother to read warranty information. For instance, I remember seeing a review where a person's mattress was deemed defective and Simmons authorized a replacement. The person complained, however, that Simmons did not agree to refund his money. My response to that is a resounding "DUH!" as I've never seen a mattress warranty that entitles the consumer to a refund rather than a replacement of "equal or greater value" by the maker.
One thing that I've learnt in my latest hunt ofr a mattress is that if you are a front or back sleeper a firm is best and if you are a side sleeper then a more cushy number will suit you best...makes sense as I am a front sleeper and prefer a firm!
so
Front or back sleeper = firm side sleeper = more cushy!
geo123 said: f2000sa said: The Canberra is $799. It is 15.5 inch, and seems to be good deal also. Does this compare with the W Bed Plush
CanberraAgain, as I pointed out in this linked post, the W bed only has 825 coils in queen mattresses, whereas this one has 980 coils and is, therefore, a higher end mattress (you can't compare coil count across different manufacturers, however, since manufacturing designs differ significantly). It also has a 360 degree foam encased edge support, which the W bed lacks, since the W bed is a lower end model. The Rooms to Go website does not explain the comfort level of its mattresses, so you have to call them to find it out.
Regardless, you should never purchase ANY mattress without trying it out first. Try it out and then decide which one has the best combination of comfort and value. By the way, I just checked and Rooms to Go does not carry Worldclass mattresses in cushion firm (with a 3" visco memory foam layer), which is what I am getting ready to buy.
joshcloud9 said: Isn't this a cushion or pillow top firm for $100 more? They had one in the store I seem to remember!: http://www.roomstogo.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=showItem&ipac_id=13108It's a pillow top, which is far too soft for my taste. Besides, personally, I stay away from all the pillow tops since they all have much higher incidence of developing extremely uncomfortable indentations and permanent body impressions.
mattressman said: They measure the firmness of foams in ILD. Ask Simmons what the ILD is....you'll be surprised.Google is a wonderful thing. I'm not sure what there is to be surprised about: an ILD measurement is one of the scientific ways of essentially measuring how firm a foam is. What's the problem with this?
I got conned in a Bait and Switch mattress "deal", you know the one, meet the guy at the warehouse, appointment only, shows you some crappy mattresses (mine had spaceships on them!) then once you are there he pushes you on the Simmons Beauty Rest, I got out of there spending $550 on a mattress I absolutely hate, I hated it on day 1 and now 2 monthes later hate it even more, I tried to return it and they don't take returns, tried to fight it with CC but lost. Avoid those warehouse mattress places like the plauge, I am very good at saying no and avoiding scams and these guys got me.
I got conned in a Bait and Switch mattress "deal", you know the one, meet the guy at the warehouse, appointment only, shows you some crappy mattresses (mine had spaceships on them!) then once you are there he pushes you on the Simmons Beauty Rest, I got out of there spending $550 on a mattress I absolutely hate, I hated it on day 1 and now 2 monthes later hate it even more, I tried to return it and they don't take returns, tried to fight it with CC but lost. Avoid those warehouse mattress places like the plauge, I am very good at saying no and avoiding scams and these guys got me.
THUMBS DOWN!! I paid $901 including all taxes for this LAST SPRING (2007) at Sleepys for each Queen SET with frame and two memory foam pillows and free delivery. We bought three sets!
AMAZING Mattress though.. WAYYY better than the W or Westin beds and built much much better. Foam encased!
toy4two said: I got conned in a Bait and Switch mattress "deal", you know the one, meet the guy at the warehouse, appointment only, shows you some crappy mattresses (mine had spaceships on them!) then once you are there he pushes you on the Simmons Beauty Rest, I got out of there spending $550 on a mattress I absolutely hate, I hated it on day 1 and now 2 monthes later hate it even more, I tried to return it and they don't take returns, tried to fight it with CC but lost. Avoid those warehouse mattress places like the plauge, I am very good at saying no and avoiding scams and these guys got me.What does this have to do with this thread or with this deal?
meevan
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posted: Nov. 30, 2008 @ 5:49p
Im so confused now...
Roomstogo, Westin bed, or just going to costco.... Is there a good website to compare all sealy mattresses?
Bob
BkMtn
Member
posted: Nov. 30, 2008 @ 8:18p
Having been in the mattress business for over 20 years(currently in a differt industry now) the Simmons Beautyrest is an excellent coil system with it's pocketed coil design. Coil counts are always based on a full size mattress, their coil is a smaller size and does use a lighter gauge wire. If you are a VERY large person I would not recommend it. The coil design will make the edge softer but the heavy gauge border wire helps to spread this load to a greater number of coils. My current set is a bit over 8 years old, I got it from my former business partner when I moved into our new home. It is still as comfortable as it was when new, no body inpression. Make sure you rotate it on a regular basis. I'm 240lbs and my wife is 130.
Most importantly is to make sure you are aware thay ALL mfgs make the low end of their premium sets for advertising purposes as well as the better, more expensive ones. Ask them for the coil counts of each so you can compare them. A large part of the differences are the padding that they use on top of the coils, they should have small displays of the paddings used in each model of their premium line. They should be able to give you all of the information to help you make a good decision. Make sure you look at the entire line from the one you are considering.
Ahh a good mattress discussion...Id like to add a few general mattress buying tips:
-Dedicated "Mattress Stores" such as Sleep Train, Mattress Discounters, etc, have posted prices that are far higher than the "out the door" deal you can get as a savvy FWer. Certain models could be had for about 40-50% off posted price. Its very similar to dealing with a car dealer, but with less info on dealer pricing available online. As always, the deal you can get is YMMV depending on the salesman, business conditions, etc. Rooms to Go seems to have good posted online prices with no need to haggle.
-My personal opinion is that the mattresses made in recent years (after the almost universal switch to one sided, no flip designs) are all inferior to premium mattresses of years past.
-The foundation/box spring can be more important to sleeping comfort than the mattress itself. Unfortunately, design shifts have resulted in most mattresses sold today coming with a rigid foundation as opposed to a true "box spring". Only a true box spring provides the comfort I desire. However, they also void most new mattress warranties which call for rigid foundations.
A mattress that would be far too firm on a rigid foundation becomes very comfortable on a true box spring (we have one thats about 50 years old, custom sized in a handmade wooden bed). We shopped for price when looking for a mattress to use on this old bed, and Sleep Train offered a a cheap $270 Serta plush (store price $550 and negotiated 50% off posted price, with free delivery and tax included). The 50 year old Beautyrest that was replaced, and this cheap new Serta mattress on top of this old box spring both feel better than my high end Beautyrest Pillowtop (bought when they started using rigid foundations.)
-As noted, Pillowtops will get much larger indentations/body impressions. The indentations in my Beautyrest pillowtop can become quite severe, especially if I am sitting up for hours while using a laptop. However, I have found that flipping the mattress restores much of the resiliency (this mattress was before they changed to "no-flip" designs). I would not buy a one-sided Pillowtop these days.
shows many foam mattresses do not retain their properties more than 4-5 years. I have seen similar complaints even about the Tempurpedic brand name mattresses. Now while this criticism mainly applies to all-foam designs, I'm wary of the useful life of conventional mattresses using lots of memory foam.
If you do want to try a memory foam mattress, there are some very tempting deals, especially WalMart's sub-$200 model with a 5 year warranty.
Just be sure you are aware of the issues surrounding foam (can get too hot, gets firmer in cold weather, etc) and dont expect them to last 10+ years. Even 5 years is a stetch. Also, with a memory foam mattress, you will need a rigid foundation, preferably one without slats.
-Macy's retains your purchase information even if you lose the documents and handles the warranty issues. I was surprised to call them and discover they had all the details of my 2000 mattress purchase.
Roomstogo, Westin bed, or just going to costco.... Is there a good website to compare all sealy mattresses?
BobThere is no way to compare mattresses virtually, without trying them out, since mattress comfort is HIGHLY subjective. Here you are trying to compare very different mattresses online: the Westin bed is a pillow top Simmons Classic bed; the RoomToGo deal discussed in this thread is for an extra firm Simmons WorldClass mattress; Costco does not sell Simmons mattresses. In other words, the mattresses that you've mentioned are of very different comfort levels and are made by different manufacturers, so there is no possible way to compare them directly, especially online.
The first thing you should do is to go to a couple of brick and mortar mattress stores to try out different mattresses and decide what it is that you are looking for. Only then can you start focusing on finding the best value. Trying to find the best value without knowing what type of mattress would work best for you is a recipe for disaster.
GEO123: Did you have to do any haggling to get that $1200 price? Looking at that link you posted, I'm seeing the king size set as Reg. $4,089.00 Was $2,449.00 Sale $2,299.00
$1200 sounds like a great price! I'm wondering how I can get a deal like that.
DannyB said: GEO123: Did you have to do any haggling to get that $1200 price? Looking at that link you posted, I'm seeing the king size set as Reg. $4,089.00 Was $2,449.00 Sale $2,299.00
$1200 sounds like a great price! I'm wondering how I can get a deal like that.
Do you have a silver tongue?Not really. I pointed out to my sales rep that this mattress (http://www.sdmattress.com/store/index.php?prodid=673) is specifically referenced at the bottom as being a functional equivalent of the Angelique and is selling for far less. Macy's then agreed to reduce their $1,897 price (ignore the higher prices on the website and in the store -- the $1,897 price was offered at one of their recent sales and they can easily honor it again) by another $214. A friend of mine's neighbor apparently works for Macy's corporate department, so we put the charge on his Macy's card to get the employee discount (standard 20% employee discount plus they were running a special of another 10% off on top of that). That's how we ended up with $1,211 plus tax.
By the way, the Sweet Dreams website to which I linked you above seems to also have very aggressive prices on mattresses, free shipping, comfort trial, no sales tax, etc... I don't know how their warranty support works though, since all warranty issues must go through your retailer.
Went to several different vendors , looking for a bed equivalent to balthazar plush top from Sleepys. I ended up going back to sleepys to renegotiate the price. I got it down to 950shipped for a king size. think thats a good price. its mattress only
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