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The HL-2170W is not listed but is onsale too . LINKY

Good little unit .

Do the refurbs come with toner?

falleg said:Yes it does.

Might not be a "full" one tho.

So I assume they ship loaded with a partially-used starter cartridge?

How's the condition of the units in general? The definitions of "refurbished" can be wildly divergent.

I can't speak for brother lasers, but every inkjet i've gotten has had new inks in it. While printer companies charge a lot for their ink, it doesn't cost them that much, they aren't going to mess around intentionally with putting in used, partly empty ink, since that would tick off the customers and make more service calls for them.

Brother ink jets come with the same size ink whether they are new or refurb. They don't play games like HP does with "high capacity" ink carts that they fill fuller. Which isn't to say that brother carts are completely full, just that you don't have the range of options that companies like HP do with all their ink cartridge options that seem designed to confuse the consumer.

JonesBeach said:I've never heard of a refurb printer coming with a used ink or toner cartridge in it. Many do come with "starter" cartridges which print fewer pages than an off-the-shelf cartridge.
Many NEW PRINTERS do come with "starter" cartridges which print fewer pages than an off-the-shelf cartridges too.