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Most people place their projector once and don't move it from that point forward. More important than people realize is the throw of the projector. This is what you have to pay attention and get the right size screen. Lens shift is probably nice, I never had it, but I personally would have only used it once or twice. I think the contrast of DLP more than makes up for lacking this feature. Remember all the digital movie theaters around the country use DLP. This is a good price. Blu-ray probably looks absolutely gorgeous.
goopa
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posted: Sep. 11, 2009 @ 11:15p
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There are a slew of $1000 DLPs on their way out within the next few months (Optoma HD20, Vivitek H1080FD, BenQ W1000). The Optoma should be currently available, and seems to be getting good value ratings. For those looking for selection at the $1k mark, just give it a month or two.
lens shift and zoom seem like luxuries at first, but after having a projector with those features, I won't go back. It's often difficult installing a projector in the perfect spot... room layout, furniture, wood studs... Lens shift gives alot more flexibility in placement, and zoom can be particularly useful.
DLP rainbows bother me so I wouldn't even consider this. There was a 1080p LCD posted here not long ago for ~$1200. If $1k is a hard stop, consider a 720p LCD from Panasonic or Sanyo, both of which have lens shift & zoom. I think Epson and a few others might have comparable features. Even on a 110" screen, 720p is very sharp and stunning. I might upgrade to 1080p in a year or two, but I'm in no rush as the Panasonic 720p looks great.
peas said: lens shift and zoom seem like luxuries at first, but after having a projector with those features, I won't go back. It's often difficult installing a projector in the perfect spot... room layout, furniture, wood studs... Lens shift gives alot more flexibility in placement, and zoom can be particularly useful.
DLP rainbows bother me so I wouldn't even consider this. There was a 1080p LCD posted here not long ago for ~$1200. If $1k is a hard stop, consider a 720p LCD from Panasonic or Sanyo, both of which have lens shift & zoom. I think Epson and a few others might have comparable features. Even on a 110" screen, 720p is very sharp and stunning. I might upgrade to 1080p in a year or two, but I'm in no rush as the Panasonic 720p looks great.
For the reasons that you mention, I'll be looking at the Epson 8100 when it comes out in October at $1500.
Does the Paypal discount show up in your cart? Or do you just have to hope it comes in 6-8 weeks?
Kaczmarczyk
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 12, 2009 @ 3:08p
I have this projector and I love it. As a previous poster stated, please be aware of the long throw and large offset of this projector though. Check out projectorcentral pro calculator for specs. Also, for those interested in making or painting their own projector screens you should check out the AVS DIY screen section as well. You can get a fabulous picture with this projector but you need to check to see if the throw and offset will work for you.
peas said: lens shift and zoom seem like luxuries at first, but after having a projector with those features, I won't go back. It's often difficult installing a projector in the perfect spot... room layout, furniture, wood studs... Lens shift gives alot more flexibility in placement, and zoom can be particularly useful.
DLP rainbows bother me so I wouldn't even consider this. There was a 1080p LCD posted here not long ago for ~$1200. If $1k is a hard stop, consider a 720p LCD from Panasonic or Sanyo, both of which have lens shift & zoom. I think Epson and a few others might have comparable features. Even on a 110" screen, 720p is very sharp and stunning. I might upgrade to 1080p in a year or two, but I'm in no rush as the Panasonic 720p looks great.
It has a zoom, just like all projectors. It just doesn't have lens shift. The rainbow issue is for the most part an urban myth. Even if you go out of your way to try and see them when first viewing DLP, it goes away within a few days, to the point that even if you try, you can't see them later. Besides, most of these were with 2X colorwheels. Most new DLP use 3X or faster, so the chance of seeing them is even less. And even if you do see them for the first few days, it is literally split seconds, and usually when you are purposely darting your eyes around to create the effect. Many people purposely tried to see the rainbows when first viewing DLP. They saw them and declared themselves too sensitive to rainbows. If they would keep it for a few days, their eyes adjust and they never see them again.
I'll grant LCD projectors the lens shift advantage, but after this, I think DLP is the clear winner, especially with contrast levels.
It does have zoom, but only 1.2:1 as opposed to 2.1:1 on other projectors. This means that you'll have a little flexibility in front to back placement, but none in left to right and height. Also, contrast levels are similar to other $1000 projectors, but fall behind $2000+ 3lcd projectors. Black levels also aren't as good. DLP does not equal better blacks at this price point, and in general with projectors, there seems to be an equal number, if not more, 3lcd over DLP in the highend with great blacks.
And, one thing that wasn't mentioned, DLP projectors with the spinning wheel are typically louder than 3lcd. I'm a stickler for noise, so this is very important to me.
For a good example of the strengths and weakness of $999 projectors versus more expensive projectors, take a look at this video of the Optoma HD20 vs. an Epson 6500 (a 6100 would have been a more fair fight).
SimMike said: It has a zoom, just like all projectors. It just doesn't have lens shift. The rainbow issue is for the most part an urban myth. Even if you go out of your way to try and see them when first viewing DLP, it goes away within a few days, to the point that even if you try, you can't see them later. Besides, most of these were with 2X colorwheels. Most new DLP use 3X or faster, so the chance of seeing them is even less. And even if you do see them for the first few days, it is literally split seconds, and usually when you are purposely darting your eyes around to create the effect. Many people purposely tried to see the rainbows when first viewing DLP. They saw them and declared themselves too sensitive to rainbows. If they would keep it for a few days, their eyes adjust and they never see them again.
I'll grant LCD projectors the lens shift advantage, but after this, I think DLP is the clear winner, especially with contrast levels.
My Optoma HD70 has a 1.2 zoom. It zooms a large amount, at least in my opinion. My previous projector, an Infocus X1 also had a 1.2 zoom. My Optoma HD70 is very quiet. No noise from the wheel, just from the fan, which will be the case with all projectors.
From a rough survey I just did, I would say the majority of projectors have roughly a 1.2 zoom. It is pretty standard. LCD panels can also have divergence issues, as it is three separate color panels. DLP won't have this.
I find the rainbow issue similar to when you first start wearing lineless bifocals. The first day or so, your eyes are seeing distortions. After a day or two, your eyes adjust and you see things normal. The rainbow issue is the same thing. The people that claim they are sensitive, most likely never gave themselves time to adjust.
SimMike said: The rainbow issue is for the most part an urban myth. Even if you go out of your way to try and see them when first viewing DLP, it goes away within a few days, to the point that even if you try, you can't see them later. Besides, most of these were with 2X colorwheels. Most new DLP use 3X or faster, so the chance of seeing them is even less. And even if you do see them for the first few days, it is literally split seconds, and usually when you are purposely darting your eyes around to create the effect. Many people purposely tried to see the rainbows when first viewing DLP. They saw them and declared themselves too sensitive to rainbows. If they would keep it for a few days, their eyes adjust and they never see them again Some people are more sensitive to rainbows, others less. It's not an urban myth at all. Some people get bad headaches from the DLP color wheel no matter how long they've tried to get used to it. The fundamental technology behind a single-chip DLP with a spinning color wheel brings all sorts of limitations. 3-chip DLPs eliminate the issue, but they are much more expensive. Current gen LCDs have surpassed single-chip DLPs in virtually every metric. I see them without having to purposely dart my eyes (widescreen movies are designed to allow large field of view and scanning around the picture). It doesn't give me headaches, but it is an annoyance. The faster color wheels do help, but it doesn't completely eliminate them. If LCDs didn't perform as well, or were alot more expensive, I might consider a single-chip DLP. But DLPs aren't cheap enough to make the tradeoff worthwhile to me. If you're happy with it and can't see DLP rainbows, good for you, but don't poopoo the issue.
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