Orange (small) - $45.91. $48.51 for medium & $51.11 for large. I was surprised to find free S&H; used to be $4.99. Either way, still cheaper than anywhere else I see posted here.
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posted: Sep. 16, 2009 @ 10:00p
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posted: Sep. 16, 2009 @ 10:46p
I buy the one for 89-132lb dogs, even though I have a 10 lb dog. Only difference between each size is the amount of treatment you get and a few dollars/cents. Percentage of active ingredients is the same for all sizes, so basically it all comes from the same vat, but squeezed into different sized bottles.
Dosages for each size dog: 1-23lb = 0.67ml 23-44lb = 1.34ml 44-89lb = 2.68ml 89-132lb = 4.02ml
4.02ml/0.69ml = 5.97, so as you can see, one of the large dog doses is equal to almost 6 doses for small dogs! Times that by three and it's a year and half's worth there. I use a syringe; lab type, no needle, to measure out the amount to apply on my dog.
wow.... no green? 51 for large isn't hot? or for those that would rather not divide the formula, this is the hottest deal on fatwallet, and much hotter than either Amazon or costco prices.
good idea though... hmmm... I just ordered but for future reference, I may just buy the 23-44 and use half for each of my 2 small ones. that way I don't have left over formula laying around.
I have a lot of non needle plastic syringes used to administer lactulose and other stuff to my small one who had a liver shunt. or even children's benadryl 1 ml when they're under the weather. that's the syringe you are referring to right? what do you do first... dump the mix into a bowl or something and then suck it out of there, into the syringe and just leave it in the fridge?
Stop wasting your money on this site - it's counterfeit product. If you really want a good deal, ask your vet to match the price - most vets will wok with you, and you'll have peace of mind knowing you are giving your pet the real thing and not accidentally poisoning him.
I know b/c I lost one of my furry babies this way. Found out a whole lot about how these online companies get the products they sell - it's not from the manufacturer, and the manufacturers will not stand behind the product if you don't buy it from the vet. As a result of my contaminated purchase, I spent a ton of money trying to save my pet, and a necropsy afterwards to find out if it indeed was the cheap stuff I bought online. When I presented the proof to the company I purchased the stuff from, they offered to refund me for the box of crap they had sold me, and that was it. The cheap really did come out expensive in the end for me, not to mention the guilt and sadness I feel over losing my little girl!
ummm.... I am saddened to hear of your pet's sickness, but neither this site, or petsupplies.net (also from Australia) are counterfeit. I've been buying from them from awhile now. It's the same frontline plus that your vet has. and yes it's from merial.
hakujin said: ummm.... I am saddened to hear of your pet's sickness, but neither this site, or petsupplies.net (also from Australia) are counterfeit. I've been buying from them from awhile now. It's the same frontline plus that your vet has. and yes it's from merial.
good luck.
Thank you for your kind words. However, if you look very closely at the packaging, especially the 6 month packaging, you'll see it is clearly fake. Merial does not have any Caution warnings across the top of the boxes as you see in those photos, nor do they use that 6 dose banner on their packaging. And if you compare it right next to a box you get from the vet, you'll see that the pets pictured on the box, while VERY close in some of the sizes, is not the same dog, or the coloring of the box/pic of animal is slightly different. The cat one is particularly bad - it's not even remotely close to being the same cat!
If you contact these websites, they'll tell you that it's just not US product, but that is not true. Feel free to contact Merial directly for confirmation of this. It's not the first time people make counterfeit products that look very close to the real thing, you know? I once purchased Razor blades on eBay that looked exactly like the real thing, but when I used them, they didn't work as well. A friend informed me that fake razor blades is apparently a booming market. I was incredulous, but when I looked into it, I found information about it, including photos showing the slight irregularities between the real and the fake. Apparently, there is a market for everything to be faked, and these products are probably even easier - your dog or cat isn't going to tell you that it's not working, until/unless (god forbid!) he gets sick from it.
I agree it's not worth trying to save a few bucks and risking your pet's health. But you can get a similar deal on Frontline Plus using bing CashBack!
1. Search on bing.com for "slim fast" 2. Click the bing CashBack 25% off Drugstore.com link 3. Search for "frontline" 4. All 6-packs of Frontline Plus are between $65 and $70... after bing CashBack, this is $48.75-$52.50 per box of 6. Shipping is also free since the order total will be above $49 (you'll receive the 25% back within 60 days).
I have ordered a bunch of this stuff from Drugstore.com using this method and CashBack has showed up reliably, on-time, and for the correct amount.
chrismgan
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posted: Sep. 18, 2009 @ 10:43a
We have used eBay for Frontline for the last 3 yrs. No problems. Last order was $31.75 for a year's worth 0-22 lb dog. The people are buying in bulk and supply 12 syringes pre-loaded.
Thank you for your kind words. However, if you look very closely at the packaging, especially the 6 month packaging, you'll see it is clearly fake. Merial does not have any Caution warnings across the top of the boxes as you see in those photos, nor do they use that 6 dose banner on their packaging. And if you compare it right next to a box you get from the vet, you'll see that the pets pictured on the box, while VERY close in some of the sizes, is not the same dog, or the coloring of the box/pic of animal is slightly different. The cat one is particularly bad - it's not even remotely close to being the same cat!
If you contact these websites, they'll tell you that it's just not US product, but that is not true. Feel free to contact Merial directly for confirmation of this. It's not the first time people make counterfeit products that look very close to the real thing, you know? I once purchased Razor blades on eBay that looked exactly like the real thing, but when I used them, they didn't work as well. A friend informed me that fake razor blades is apparently a booming market. I was incredulous, but when I looked into it, I found information about it, including photos showing the slight irregularities between the real and the fake. Apparently, there is a market for everything to be faked, and these products are probably even easier - your dog or cat isn't going to tell you that it's not working, until/unless (god forbid!) he gets sick from it.
Gonna go with it's just not the US product and that's a big MAYBE. How pray tell would Merial know otherwise unless you ordered from this specific vendor and sent the box/formula to them? Even then, particularly in your specific case, I wouldn't take their word on it... best to have an independent 3rd party examine both products.
I see no reason to believe it's not the same product. I've tried the product; The price is very similar; from businesses in Australia not China. The caution on the 6 mo looks like a stamp. You do realize that the vendor is in Australia... could very well be postal or regulatory agency that put that on there. Notwithstanding, I've never received a box with that stamp on it, and every aspect looks identical to the stuff at my vet or other e-store in U.S. And yes, the dog is the same in any box I've received, lol. Same box, same sealed formula, similar price, 1st world country, etc.
Also, I've been purchasing Frontline Plus from petsuppplies.net for a long time now w/ no adverse affect, my dogs flea free; product comes in individually sealed safety containers, identical to the previous FrontLine I've purchased from entirelypets and and 1800-pet-meds. Not typical of a counterfeit product. I think maybe you indeed had a black market bad exp. with a counterfeit product but I don't think it was from this vendor or petsupplies.net and I also don't think it's wise to generalize just for the sake of doing so, unless you can share some personal experience with this specific vendor? Hence, I think you are looking for something that simply isn't there. Now I understand, you had a very traumatic experience. But can you say conclusively that the formula wasn't the same, and that your dog didn't just have an adverse reaction to the medications FIPRONIL or METHOPRENE in and of itself, because after all, it is a pesticide. All this stuff is more or less poison to your animal, so it's quite possible that whether it was your box there, or another box here, same adverse reaction to a particular sensitive or allergic animal. It doesn't surprise me that Merial would provide any recourse on the cover however. I don't think they necessarily would even if it was purchased from a 'vet'... they are going to do whatever they can to limit liability to protect their company and shift blame to the other guy... if you bought it from your vet, and took it to court, maybe they'd blame it on your vet for not doing a proper dermatological test etc. They are no different than a pharmaceutical company and likely never run out of excuses. That's the irony. You are being haste in your judgment of small vendors, particularly international ones that sell this stuff, yet are giving Merial carte blanche based on their word alone. I would a. send the alleged counterfeit frontline to a lab for testing, to be compared with the frontline from your vet, and then go from their; keep the box; consult with legal aid; file a lawsuit... sadly, the best way to get their attention.
I can sorta relate... I've spent well over 3-4k on a 1 1/2 year old toy dog that had a liver shunt at birth which caused extreme neuropathy (e.g. loss of appetite, disorientation, loss of hearing/motor skills etc). Shunt caused hepatic encephalopathy, then had an umbilical hernia, pulmonary edema; multiple ER visits, IV, ultrasound, antibiotics, lactulose, diuretic, xrays, bile acid test, etc. ... I also feed my dogs Innova kibble. Most vets will tell you that Purina is an excellent kibble too but conversely, it's made from many questionable, if not despicable ingredients in unregulated rendering farms w/ the most disgusting process. Yet millions of dogs are healthy on this stuff.
Merial markets a poisonous pesticide topical solution. I don't mean to offend you, but all you've provided is conclusory evidence and an anecdotal story about eBay razors. Yes, I agree, eBay is rife with counterfeits... sometimes, I go into a transaction, even preferring counterfeits. It depends on what I'm looking for. It's good to do one's research and just because of you, I'll double check it when it arrives and let you know since I usually don't go w/ this company (different Aus) but it was a few bucks cheaper. FYI, I'd never buy these drugs from a street vendor, flea market, or otherwise questionable source. And yes, I have a scanner and we can put that little cover mutt through a forensics test!
I had three boxes, so the vet sent a sample to the lab, and Merial received a box too for analysis. They are the ones who provided me with examples of fakes/non-US fakes.
The Caution is not a stamp, it's part of the packaging, as is the 6 month banner.
I was also given a color scan of a fake box, the purple size. I stared at the real vs the fake for a long time, I simply could not see a difference. When they put a transparency version over the real one, you could see the spots on the dog were just slightly off, but clealry not a print error thing. Hard to explain, but still evident once I had them literally on top of each other.
Product was purchased from the company who advertises all over the place, one of the ones most people would beleive to be "reputable". Have you read their annual report? Amazing how they basically disclose to their investors that they have no control over when, how or if inventory arrives, and that they routinely have been at least temporarily barred from selling products b/c of problems arising from stories like mine.
Test results showed that the product in those perfect looking containers was permethren (spelling?), which is toxic to animals. That's also a pesticide, just not one that should be given to pets in large doses.
Merial, along with Pfizer, and the other animal health companies whose names I can't recall right now, ALL provide quite a bit of coverage in the event that something happens with their product when purchased from a vet. They pick up ALL the medical costs, including the necropsy and cremation. The vet just needs to make the call to them and let them know they suspect that the product caused the issue, and they still cover the cost, even if the results prove it's not thei product that caused the problem! Actually, it is to their benefit to do this - if they find a problem they can recall the lot and save countless animals and bad press, and if it's not, they have proof to that effect to counter any accusations resulting from the situation. I have NO doubt that they do this for their benefit and not mine, but they will do it if the product came from the vet. If it comes from anywhere else, you are SOL.
From my research, it seems like a fair amount of US-based product that these sites sell actually come from some unscrupulous vets who order the product from the manufacturer, and then at some point sell it to these websites for a higher price, essentially acting as a middleman. But the time that elapses during this transaction is usually quite lengthy, and there is no way to know if the product was stored in the proper environment, temperature, etc. While I hope that everyone who buys from these websites manages to get product that is both not countefeit and not terribly compromised, the reality is that you take a risk by purchasing from any of these sites.
Clearly, I experienced what could only be considered the worst case scenario as a result of my frugality. I have to live with that. I just hope that my story and this information gives people a chance to think about all the information presented here, and if the risk is worth the potential savings. Most people who purchase from these sites assume that this is an avenue just as good as a vet, and the way this business is structured, that is not the case. Most people also don't want to approach their vet to ask for a lower price either, and I understand that. But all vets at this point are aware of this online competition that they have to contend with, and from my experience, they are usually in the business for the love of animals and not for the purpose of making a killing off their clients. They will try to educate their clients about the potential differences, but even by just calling and asking around, it's not hard to find a vet willing to match the price you found online. I'm not expecting people to blindly pay full price for the products they need for their pets - I'm just hoping that this information will make it easier to broach the conversation with their vet, and really err on the side of caution for the sake of their beloved pets. If you can shop locally, work with a trusted professional, and have peace of mind for the same or nearly the same price as these online companies, why would you go anywhere else? Our animals provide us with unconditional love and ask for very little in return, in hindsight, it just seems like a really bad idea to risk that for the sake of a few dollars. I hope no one who ever reads this thread experiences what I did, and that is really my only motive for bringing this information forward. Oh, and since I'm sure someone thinks this by now, NO, I am not a vet, I don't work at a vet office, and no one in my family is affiliated with a vet in any way.
I have been buying Frontline for my dogs from a particular eBay seller for the last year or so. The Seller I buy from is a US seller, and the product is genuine product, in US packaging, the price is a little more than the so called foreign products, but still much less than what the local vet charges. I have always received factory sealed packages, I order the appropriate dosage for my pets, because it is simpler for me, but I would not hesitate to buy the larger doses from the same vendor. Once again, you can buy the genuine product at considerable discounts, but you have to be careful about who you buy from.
harlock001 said: The vet could not believe that the packaging was so similar. It was counterfeit Frontline Plus.
The cat suffered from seizures & temporary paralysis of the rear legs.
I know what you mean! Whoever is making the counterfeit stuff is doing a damn good job w/it, and until you see it for yourself, it's almost impossible to believe.
Hunny156 said: Just to answer some of you comments/concerns: I had three boxes, so the vet sent a sample to the lab, and Merial received a box too for analysis. They are the ones who provided me with examples of fakes/non-US fakes. So, you sued the 'elusive' company in question for damages? I do feel it's a shame that law interprets pets as property and nothing more. Hunny156 said: The Caution is not a stamp, it's part of the packaging, as is the 6 month banner. LIke I said, I haven't received any does with the stamp, but how do you know in this instance 'it's part of the packaging'? Hunny156 said: I was also given a color scan of a fake box, the purple size. I stared at the real vs the fake for a long time, I simply could not see a difference. When they put a transparency version over the real one, you could see the spots on the dog were just slightly off, but clealry not a print error thing. Hard to explain, but still evident once I had them literally on top of each other. I don't disagree that you received a counterfeit. But I find it disingenuous to lump EVERY e-vendor, particularly overseas e-vendors into the same category. Hunny156 said: Product was purchased from the company who advertises all over the place, one of the ones most people would beleive to be "reputable". Have you read their annual report? Who??? Hunny156 said: Amazing how they basically disclose to their investors that they have no control over when, how or if inventory arrives, and that they routinely have been at least temporarily barred from selling products b/c of problems arising from stories like mine. Who?? Hunny156 said: Test results showed that the product in those perfect looking containers was permethren (spelling?), which is toxic to animals. That's also a pesticide, just not one that should be given to pets in large doses. Permethrin, an insecticide, highly toxic to fish and some animals and also dangerous/lethal in large does - actually in a well known (and popular) flea med called Advantix.
FIPRONIL, an insecticide, highly toxic to fish and some animals and also dangerous/lethal in large does - actually in a well known (and popular) flea med called Frontline Plus Hunny156 said: Merial, along with Pfizer, and the other animal health companies whose names I can't recall right now, ALL provide quite a bit of coverage in the event that something happens with their product when purchased from a vet. They pick up ALL the medical costs, including the necropsy and cremation. The vet just needs to make the call to them and let them know they suspect that the product caused the issue, and they still cover the cost, even if the results prove it's not thei product that caused the problem! Is this advertised somewhere? Word of mouth? From your vet? I guess this is possible but pardon me if I feel slightly skeptical that they wouldn't try to limit liability wherever possible, particular in an isolated case and wouldn't voluntarily blame their product and assume liability in every scenario where the med came from them. However, If one could prove the product was authentic (e.g. same formula they use), then one could get them to pay the same costs through the court system. Hunny156 said: Actually, it is to their benefit to do this - if they find a problem they can recall the lot and save countless animals and bad press You're blending in a different scenario when concerning multiple animals sick from a certain batch/bad run of drugs versus, sporadic dog who had an allergic reaction or otherwise. Hunny156 said: I have NO doubt that they do this for their benefit and not mine, but they will do it if the product came from the vet. If it comes from anywhere else, you are SOL. I disagree. If it's truly their product you are not SoL and you have legal recourse. Hunny156 said: From my research, it seems like a fair amount of US-based product that these sites sell actually come from some unscrupulous vets who order the product from the manufacturer, and then at some point sell it to these websites for a higher price, essentially acting as a middleman. But the time that elapses during this transaction is usually quite lengthy, and there is no way to know if the product was stored in the proper environment, temperature, etc. While I hope that everyone who buys from these websites manages to get product that is both not countefeit and not terribly compromised, the reality is that you take a risk by purchasing from any of these sites. To that end, you probably take a risk at any vendor when concerned about 'proper environment' as I haven't seen any special attention taken towards storage of these insecticides from anyone. It's always room temperature on a shelf somewhere. Time that elapses is not an issue for me as this (and my other site) but advertise the exp dates and formula I receive always has an exp. at least a 12-18 months out on the pkg. But since you mentioned it, I can relate to unscrupulous vets... I've had the misfortune of running into 1 or 2 in Vet ERs... I also have a vet I absolutely cherish, whom I almost consider my family and he helped me out in time of need when my animal was sick, I was thousands in the hole and he was doing procedures for next to nothing because he cared. Same with a local organization that I visit who is nonprofit; run by vets, and does neuter/spay surgery inc. other minor surgeries such as fixing umbilical hernias for cost. I also give props to South Texas Veterinary Specialists who haa some of the best in the country and who did a a shunt surger for less ~1.5k for me.
On the flip side, I've run into dipshit vets w/ superiority complex who couldn't figured out my dog had hepatic encephalopothy as a result of liver shunt when I could, and were were subsequently treating they symptoms and not the problem, only serving to exacerbate my cost and not fix my animal; rookie vets who argued with me on mg per kg dosage of amoxicillin when my dog needed antibiotics for kennel cough and they ended up being the ones who miscalculated the amount needed (d'oh to Banfield!) based on their 'Vet Bible'. Or ER vets who tried to jack me on BS padded fees and than later turn around (after being called out) and send me a check in the mail. So yes, there are all sorts, just like there are all sorts of e-businesses selling pet meds. Hunny156 said: Clearly, I experienced what could only be considered the worst case scenario as a result of my frugality. I have to live with that. I just hope that my story and this information gives people a chance to think about all the information presented here, and if the risk is worth the potential savings. Can we agree that your situation was horrid (having sick animals I truly empathize) there were perhaps other mitigating circumstances, and perhaps there are also legitimate places that sell this med too, outside of your local vet's office? Hunny156 said: Most people who purchase from these sites assume that this is an avenue just as good as a vet, and the way this business is structured, that is not the case. What structure? Capitalism? You are making a hasty generalization about a company you know nothing about based on a bad experience with another company, whom you have yet to even identify. I know you mean well, so how about letting us know that company so that we know, at the very least, not to buy from them, and can make an informed decision on other companies based of what we learn from the unscrupulous company in question.
harlock001 said: I have to agree with Hunny156 on this one. Stay away from this place. Get products like this from your vet & no where else.
I have a $150 vet bill for my moms cat due to this junk. The Frontline was purchased from a local pet store.
The vet could not believe that the packaging was so similar. It was counterfeit Frontline Plus.
The cat suffered from seizures & temporary paralysis of the rear legs.
Cats you have to be particularly careful with, esp. with the drug the incesticide Permethrin. To tell you the truth, If I had a cat who stayed mostly indoors, I probably wouldn't even give them flea/tick med. All this stuff is poisonous/lethal in the incorrect dosage or to the incorrect animal i.e. make no mistake there are pets who die from the genuine product too. I have toy doys and have thought to not it to them myself. Fleas won't kill an animal and can be fixed with the proper bath.
Hunny156 said: However, if you look very closely at the packaging, especially the 6 month packaging, you'll see it is clearly fake. Merial does not have any Caution warnings across the top of the boxes as you see in those photos, nor do they use that 6 dose banner on their packaging. And if you compare it right next to a box you get from the vet, you'll see that the pets pictured on the box, while VERY close in some of the sizes, is not the same dog, or the coloring of the box/pic of animal is slightly different. The cat one is particularly bad - it's not even remotely close to being the same cat!Please note that pets-megastore.com.au, petsuppliesnet.com, deadfleaz.com, petshed.com, and other reputable AU vendors sell Austrailian packaged FL+
The packaging that you describe as "fake" is Merial AU packing. The inner packaging differs as well ... you can actually open it, scissor free, without uttering a single 4-letter word.
Note that the picture is a 3-dose package therefore it does not have the 6-dose banner (my "genuine" AU 6-pack has the banner).
And since we are on the topic of U.S. vendors with U.S. genuine product (which ostensibly implies *safe*) and how to keep our animals safe, check out how most U.S. companies create DOG FOOD:
I'm not able to disclose any more details than I already have, because of the legal proceedings I'm still working on at this point. It's a very slow process, and frustrating to say the least!
As for the Caution stamped products, yes, I have them in my posessio now, so that's how I know. It's clearly not a stamp.
Like you said, permethrin is toxic in large doses. That was what was in the countefeit product - just permethrin, and clearly too much of it to cause a painful death to my pet!
Yes, that is the company policy, through the vet, who had to use it once before in his 30+ years in practice. In that case, it wasn't the flea & tick medication that was ruled as the problem, yet the company still covered all the costs, no problem.
IIRC, these products don't have a expiration date, but they should not be exposed to extreme temps, as that would/could limit their effectiveness.
The structure of the business is that the companies sell direct to vets ONLY. Any other avenue is through some sort of middleman. Most people don't realize that, and assume that it's the same product, coming from the same avenues, and is safe. Maybe, maybe not, irrespective of what website or even what B&M store you might use. I know some people buy their medications through international pharmacies to save money, but the majority of people would not feel comfortable doing that, b/c they don't know for sure what to expect, and are not willing to take that risk with their own life.
I understand that you are very happy with your price and purchase from this company. I am really not trying to attack the website or your thread, or you. As you pointed out, I'm commenting on a very bad experience with an online website that sells flea/tick meds. Like anything else, some agree with me, and some don't. Agree to disagree, and move on?
Hunny156 said: As for the Caution stamped products, yes, I have them in my posessio now, so that's how I know. It's clearly not a stamp.
Well I don't have any stamped product but maybe I'll get it tested just to make sure. Hunny156 said: Like you said, permethrin is toxic in large doses. as is any flea med Hunny156 said: That was what was in the countefeit product - just permethrin, and clearly too much of it to cause a painful death to my pet! You should compare the applicator with that of Advantix to see if it's significantly bigger. I know it's not what you ordered, but it is used in the treatment of fleas/ticks in a well known U.S. company, and they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. Hunny156 said: Yes, that is the company policy, through the vet, who had to use it once before in his 30+ years in practice. In that case, it wasn't the flea & tick medication that was ruled as the problem, yet the company still covered all the costs, no problem. I appluad the treatment in that case, but do you think that justifies the inference that it's a company policy in all cases? Hunny156 said: IIRC, these products don't have a expiration date, but they should not be exposed to extreme temps, as that would/could limit their effectiveness. Every dose I've purchased whether from vet, or e-tailer, has an exp. date. Hunny156 said: I know some people buy their medications through international pharmacies to save money, but the majority of people would not feel comfortable doing that, b/c they don't know for sure what to expect, and are not willing to take that risk with their own life. That's an oversimplification. I would posit many people would prefer get meds for asinine prices in the U.S. because their insurance picks up the bulk of the tab, but the f--ked up capitalistic/monopolistic big pharma industry in this country is a whoooole other topic. BTW, I buy medication Canada Drugs.com at a huge discount over what I pay here as do many other Americans. I can guarantee and factually prove that my med comes from the same company as that med sold here in U.S. - Valeant Pharmaceuticals International. Not that it means much since many U.S. pharma companies create 'questionable' products in 'questionable conditions' to turn a buck, but sufficed to say, yours might not be the best analogy. Rest assured that the higher medication prices in the U.S. are NOT correlated to the quality of said product as these same companies sell the same product to other countries for far less than here. It's called *greed* and 'taking advantage of a bad situation'. Hunny156 said: I understand that you are very happy with your price and purchase from this company. The point is that I have no reason to doubt the company or product, but I will certainly check out the med and if I find anything out either way, I'll report back here. And the price really isn't that much different from the price here. Hunny156 said: I am really not trying to attack the website or your thread, or you. As you pointed out, I'm commenting on a very bad experience with an online website that sells flea/tick meds. Like anything else, some agree with me, and some don't. Agree to disagree, and move on? I agree 100%, you had a bad experience with an online vendor. I disagree when you portend that all online vendors who sell flea meds are unscrupulous.
Hunny156 said: Just to answer some of you comments/concerns:
I had three boxes, so the vet sent a sample to the lab, and Merial received a box too for analysis. They are the ones who provided me with examples of fakes/non-US fakes.
The Caution is not a stamp, it's part of the packaging, as is the 6 month banner.
I was also given a color scan of a fake box, the purple size. I stared at the real vs the fake for a long time, I simply could not see a difference. When they put a transparency version over the real one, you could see the spots on the dog were just slightly off, but clealry not a print error thing. Hard to explain, but still evident once I had them literally on top of each other.See attachments of "genuine" US and Austrailia packaging.
I'm not implying that you didn't receive fake product, but your implication that it's fake based on non-US packing is misleading.
Hunny156 said: I am really not trying to attack the website or your thread, or you. Hunny156 said: Stop wasting your money on this site - it's counterfeit product.
I'm not sure what you mean by Australia packaging? Are you implying it's supposed to be like that? Or what to look out for? As I said, I've purchased from Australian vendors in the past (petsupplies.net) and the med did NOT look like that. pet megastore has some boxes that look identical to purported legit product (according to the thumbnail pics) and some that look different (as you've posted) . For all we know, this could simply be a results of shoddy web designer who takes pictures from other sites, etc. But I will check when I receive it, and possibly upload the picture. I will also see about getting it tested.
hakujin said: I'm not sure what you mean by Australia packaging? Are you implying it's supposed to be like that? Or what to look out for?All "genuine" Frontline product does not have the same packaging. US product should look like the US pic and Austrailian product should look like the Australia pic. Obviously there could be differences if the packaging changes or within product sizes (e.g., cat, small dog, large dog, 3-pack, 6-pack). Therefore, web pic may not match actual product received.
petsuppliesnet.com, pets-megastore.com.au, deadfleaz.com, other AU vendors ship Austrailan product, not US product.
Note: None of the tell-tale signs to look out for by the EPA corroborate the things mentioned here (banner, type of dog, drug information on cover, etc.).
But, one small thing I don't get is the expiration date. EPA chemicals don't require exp, yet many sites advertise Frontline with exp date... I wonder why? It's very plausible that it could be the host nation (in this case AUS) that requires this information, even though the US EPA does not... just like all prescription medication from the pharmacy has a expiration of usually a year after the date on the bottle,even though the expiration from the drug maker may be completely different or not at all. This is the case with a med someone in my immediate family uses.
My heartworm med from pet supplies has exp, but I've doublechecked that med (which I still have) and have no reason to doubt its authenticity... it has all the signs of autenticity, inc. matching lots numbers serials, insert, sealed containers, etc. This might be moot as I don't know if there's even a market for counterfeit heartworm med, but anyway, I emailed this company and look forward to hearing back and/or receiving the product to check it out.
Hunny156 said: I'm not able to disclose any more details than I already have, because of the legal proceedings I'm still working on at this point. Why? It's not defamation if you believe it and won't hurt your case in the least if you have more weary people checking into the company you allege sold counterfeit drugs... if anything, it will help you, particularly if there is a class action pending.
NoMoneyInMyWallet said: Hunny156 said: However, if you look very closely at the packaging, especially the 6 month packaging, you'll see it is clearly fake. Merial does not have any Caution warnings across the top of the boxes as you see in those photos, nor do they use that 6 dose banner on their packaging. And if you compare it right next to a box you get from the vet, you'll see that the pets pictured on the box, while VERY close in some of the sizes, is not the same dog, or the coloring of the box/pic of animal is slightly different. The cat one is particularly bad - it's not even remotely close to being the same cat!Please note that pets-megastore.com.au, petsuppliesnet.com, deadfleaz.com, petshed.com, and other reputable AU vendors sell Austrailian packaged FL+
The packaging that you describe as "fake" is Merial AU packing. The inner packaging differs as well ... you can actually open it, scissor free, without uttering a single 4-letter word.
Note that the picture is a 3-dose package therefore it does not have the 6-dose banner (my "genuine" AU 6-pack has the banner).
Wow, I didn't eve notice this until now, your link. I guess this solves the mystery box right? I mean this pkg description is from the horse's mouth i.e. Merial is it not? Certainly pays to be vigilant (And I will be more vigilant in the future when buying my pet meds)...
Hunny156, how can you say it is 'clearly fake' when it's the same box on Merial's AU website?
NoMoneyInMyWallet said: hakujin said: And the box is identical. Petsupplies.net is also an AU company.Identical to what? The au.merial pic or FL+ purchased from your vet?
Petsupplies.net FL+ product will not be identical to product purchased from a US vet.
I hate to throw a monkey wrench in the equation, but my petsupplies.net box looks more like U.S. version and less like AU version : In any case, I believe petsupplies.net is a reputable company. Maybe they just procured that batch from a U.S. vendor... dunno. but I feel a whole lot more comfortable now that you've provided that AU Merial link so thanks!
I have bought from petsupplies.net and not had any issues. My cats are in and outdoors so when I see them starting to scratch they get a dose. I do see dying fleas on them and then they are fine for a couple weeks. I use advantage made by BAYER. So for me this is just another example of big pharma raking in billions using scare tactics. I will continue to use them . I did spot a company that was only one year old with the cheapest stuff I have seen called thriftyvet...figured they were indeed a scam. My 2 cents
hakujin said: I hate to throw a monkey wrench in the equation, but my petsupplies.net box looks more like U.S. version and less like AU version : In any case, I believe petsupplies.net is a reputable company. Maybe they just procured that batch from a U.S. vendor... dunno. but I feel a whole lot more comfortable now that you've provided that AU Merial link so thanks!Oops, I meant petsuppliesnet.com, which you probably did too.
My last order (7/28/08) was from deadfleaz.com; each 6 dose box looks like the AU Merial box and in fact says Merial Australia to the right of the UPC. The only exception is that mine also says "Prevention 6-pack", while obviously the 3-pack box show at au.merial does not have that wording.
My previous order (5/21/06) was from petsuppliesnet.com; each 6 dose box had the AU Merial cat, but I don't recall the other details (CAUTION wording, 6-pack banner, etc).
Does your petsuppliesnet.com box mention Merial Australia on the box?
P.S. Sorry about not being clearer about the Australia pics being from the AU Merial link.
sorry, wish I could tell you 100%. I don't think it says Merial Aus or has the warning label, but I used my last dose a week ago, and threw the box away. I did however just get this email back from PetSupplies.net today. IMO, a solid company.
All Frontline Plus is manufactured by Merial, a French company and distributed around the world...the formula is the same worldwide. What is different is the packaging and the claims made on the packaging. Product claims vary depending on country of distribution due to a country's EPA test requirements. The Australian APVMA standards for product longevity is a bit stricter than the USA standard. [HTML DOSAGE CHART]
FrontlineŽ Plus has been approved for sale in Australia by the APVMA (Australian Pesticide And Veterinary Medicines Authority). The US equivalent of this product has been approved for sale by the EPA. Both the Australian and US products contain the same active ingredients, Fipronil & (S)-Methoprene. The chemical makeup is the same for both US packaged Frontline Plus and Australian packaged Frontline Plus. The measuring terms are only different. Australian uses a volume weight measurement while the US package uses a volume volume measurement. Visit www.merial.com and click on the Australian link.
ahhhh red, dunno why I bothered to save anyone here a buck; knew there was a reason why I don't ever post deals. but alas, if i had a nickel for every FUD debbie downer...
Please don't take the red as something personal. This is just something that most people think nothing of until it affects them personally. Anything I can do to keep people from experiencing what we went through, I will do.
Our cat is OK now. Probably because we took her to an animal urgent care place the same morning the seizures started.
Here's my theory on buying from the vet:
They have tons of money invested in their practice. At the first thought of their products being counterfeit, they will stop selling them & investigate. They have too much to lose.
An online seller merely has to set up a new eBay account or a new domain, and they are back in business. They have no concern whatsoever about the health & welfare of your pet.
Agreed, but we're not talking about eBay, just a legitimate business in a country who probably has stricter guidelines for selling than we do (the irony) and a bunch of counterfeit check conjecture that has been proven to be false information by the horse's mouth i.e. Merial's website. In the case of these businesses, and not some shady eBayer or whomever shady seller here bought from, they are simply NOT counterfeit based off the extremely weak and downright false evidence provided here.
In fact, it may be these very businesses that I (and NoMoneyInMyWallet) mentioned that have more to lose than the vet since selling meds is their bread and butter, and more reason NOT to sell a bad product. Anyway, that's moot. No banner /= counterfeit. Warning sign /= counterfeit. Xenophobia /= counterfeit. Exp date /= counterfeit. And if some Merial minimum wage tele call center operator says otherwise ockham's razor tells me they're are ignorant to the scope and marketing breadth of the company they represent.
Most vets around me are act like sh1tty, used car salesmen, but I have access to a great non profit that sells cheap, along the lines of what I'm paying almost. But am I going to bow to nonsensical conjecture because a few people had horrible experiences w/ some shady people? No. should others? No. But hey, whatever works... I believe people should do their homework though. I just thought this had been adequately sorted and don't understand the red, AT THIS POINT. I understand the pain of suffering of a sick animal. To be honest, If my animal had an adverse reaction to these poisons in general, I may never put these insecticides on them again, but I certainly wouldn't make the argument that vet-ok, everywhere else-bad.
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posted: Sep. 21, 2009 @ 11:21a
does anyone know if joespetmeds.com from australia is legit? i've been buying my cat's frontline from them for a while now with no health issues. i did notice i needed to apply it every 3 weeks for tick control. flea control was fine for 4 weeks but my vet agreed that 3 weeks for the tick control was probably better. i researched it when i got the first box and everything looks the same as on the merial AU website. hard to compare it to anything in the US b/c it's packaged for AU. my outdoor cat has gone missing so i gave a box to my neighbor but now i'm worried it may harm her cat. plus, i've told friends to order from there for their dogs and am worried it's fake.
I dunno about them, but pets megastore just called me directly from 'down unda' to address the concerns I was having during our initial discussions. The lady's name was Sandra and she was polite, well spoken and she succinctly addressed my previous concerns. She reverberated what I've already concluded; that is all of the so called 'things to look for' such as the warning label and expiry date are required in Australia as well as how to truly look for counterfeit meds such as the lot information not matching up between the box and vile, etc. She explained the reason for some U.S. product pics mixed in with the AUS versions was so international customers saw some familiarity that they're accustomed to... seemingly a knee-jerk to some of the FUD/smear campaign that goes on (as in this thread) no doubt.
Anyway, I thought it was a really nice thing to do, above and beyond what I expected from them in return, and will definitely be shopping w/ pets-megastore and petsupplies.net in the future!
i've bought and applied 27 tubes of advantix from petsuppliesnet.com over the past 3 years. my corgi is the same healthy and happy dog she's always been.
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