I remember the white van speakers. Guy says, "my boss gave me 6 pairs. But I was invoiced for 6 speakers. I'll sell you 2 for $350." I laughed so hard. I said, "I'm a police officer, and I would like to see his boss." He was speechless.
DealRaider said: thank you for pooping. hope you can afford a toilet someday.
somehow, i don't think cardboard speakers weigh 60lbs each.Who said anything about cardboard? I said they were white van speakers, aka garbage. But since you brought up cardboard... Typical speaker cabinets are made from MDF, medium density fiberboard. MDF is cheap, MDF is heavy. 3/4" MDF (the thinnest MDF any respectable cabinet would be made out of) can weigh about 3lb per square foot. These speaker cabinets are about 18 square feet of area, which means the cabinets alone could weigh 53 pounds. So they could have 7lbs of speaker drivers and crossover components, etc. Not exactly impressive by weight alone, if you're going to try to use that to judge a speaker, which you shouldn't.
Found a review here (at the bottom of the page). Not bad at all, was about $500. ----------------------------------------------------- http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.salonav.com/arch/2003/11/030-043.htm&ei=VkLhSv-RIsie8AbewpnoAQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDcQ7gEwCTgK&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddac%2B2.6%2Bunisound%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-USfficial%26hs%3Dtis%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10
Thisismatt said: DealRaider said: thank you for pooping. hope you can afford a toilet someday.
somehow, i don't think cardboard speakers weigh 60lbs each.Who said anything about cardboard? I said they were white van speakers, aka garbage. But since you brought up cardboard... Typical speaker cabinets are made from MDF, medium density fiberboard. MDF is cheap, MDF is heavy. 3/4" MDF (the thinnest MDF any respectable cabinet would be made out of) can weigh about 3lb per square foot. These speaker cabinets are about 18 square feet of area, which means the cabinets alone could weigh 53 pounds. So they could have 7lbs of speaker drivers and crossover components, etc. Not exactly impressive by weight alone, if you're going to try to use that to judge a speaker, which you shouldn't.
why would anyone build a good cabinet only to use cheap components? cabinet quality is a good indicator of quality elsewhere. anyway, brand name alone does not guarantee quality (take polk for instance). there are many little advertised companies making quality products, like TheSpeakerCompany, for example. sorry if these aren't the mortgage-the-house speakers you normally buy. they're $100 for pete's sake. no way you're going to get B&W quality. don't damn something unless you know from direct experience. so, piss off, yeah?
DealRaider said: Thisismatt said: DealRaider said: thank you for pooping. hope you can afford a toilet someday.
somehow, i don't think cardboard speakers weigh 60lbs each.Who said anything about cardboard? I said they were white van speakers, aka garbage. But since you brought up cardboard... Typical speaker cabinets are made from MDF, medium density fiberboard. MDF is cheap, MDF is heavy. 3/4" MDF (the thinnest MDF any respectable cabinet would be made out of) can weigh about 3lb per square foot. These speaker cabinets are about 18 square feet of area, which means the cabinets alone could weigh 53 pounds. So they could have 7lbs of speaker drivers and crossover components, etc. Not exactly impressive by weight alone, if you're going to try to use that to judge a speaker, which you shouldn't.
why would anyone build a good cabinet only to use cheap components? cabinet quality is a good indicator of quality elsewhere. anyway, brand name alone does not guarantee quality (take polk for instance). there are many little advertised companies making quality products, like TheSpeakerCompany, for example. sorry if these aren't the mortgage-the-house speakers you normally buy. they're $100 for pete's sake. no way you're going to get B&W quality. don't damn something unless you know from direct experience. so, piss off, yeah?
So you have direct experience with these speakers, instead of just posting a perceived deal you found, and can therefore make a determination of nice or not nice? And what is the definition of nice here?
FWIW: Unisound Production Inc is a private company categorized under Speakers' Bureau and located in Alhambra, CA. It was established in 1988 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $360,000 and employs a staff of approximately 5. They have been in business for 21 years so that has to say something.
Vetterin said: FWIW: Unisound Production Inc is a private company categorized under Speakers' Bureau and located in Alhambra, CA. It was established in 1988 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $360,000 and employs a staff of approximately 5. They have been in business for 21 years so that has to say something.Pyle, Pyramid, etc garbage audio brands have been around for decades as well. Ignorant people will buy lousy products until they know better.
KACKI
Member
posted: Oct. 23, 2009 @ 9:42a
Got to admit it seems fishy. Thingfling is located in New Jersey* and has free shipping on this item.
So, if someone from say Hawaii buys these you can be sure the shipping will be around $80 at least, even using a slow system which they are reputed to do. Factor in the cost and what have you got left? Nothing, or negative.
Arguing against myself now, they do have nice ratings on resellerratings.com. One of the highest average scors I've seen, with nearly a thousand reviews.
* Home of "The Sopranos", as they themselves point out.
Vetterin said: FWIW: Unisound Production Inc is a private company categorized under Speakers' Bureau and located in Alhambra, CA. It was established in 1988 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $360,000 and employs a staff of approximately 5. They have been in business for 21 years so that has to say something.
Is Speakers' Bureau for maker of speakers or their members make speeches for a fee?
If the $360,000 is pure profit for the year, each emplyee will make $72000 a year including taxes and benefits. Can you hire an audio engineer, an electrical enginner for $72K? I don't think so.
KACKI
Member
posted: Oct. 23, 2009 @ 9:54a
JimsEmptyWallet said: Vetterin said: FWIW: Unisound Production Inc is a private company categorized under Speakers' Bureau and located in Alhambra, CA. It was established in 1988 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $360,000 and employs a staff of approximately 5. They have been in business for 21 years so that has to say something.
Is Speakers' Bureau for maker of speakers or their members make speeches for a fee?
If the $360,000 is pure profit for the year, each emplyee will make $72000 a year including taxes and benefits. Can you hire an audio engineer, an electrical enginner for $72K? I don't think so.
KACKI said: Got to admit it seems fishy. Thingfling is located in New Jersey* and has free shipping on this item. ThingFling trades at the local computer shows as "EEI / The Closeout Guys." They've been selling their wares at shows for as long as I can remember and are very honest. They even allow returns with a receipt which my friend has done on a few occasions.
Most of the things they sell at the computer shows are also available on ThingFling at one point or another. However, I've never seen these speakers in person.
Most of the stuff they sell is junk, but there are hidden gems here and there.
KACKI said: JimsEmptyWallet said: Vetterin said: FWIW: Unisound Production Inc is a private company categorized under Speakers' Bureau and located in Alhambra, CA. It was established in 1988 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $360,000 and employs a staff of approximately 5. They have been in business for 21 years so that has to say something.
Is Speakers' Bureau for maker of speakers or their members make speeches for a fee?
If the $360,000 is pure profit for the year, each emplyee will make $72000 a year including taxes and benefits. Can you hire an audio engineer, an electrical enginner for $72K? I don't think so.
Revenue <> profit
I understand revenue is not profit. I am making a point that a company can't designs good speakers without enough income to keep engineers on board.
Come On! Someone out there has money to burn. Somebody order a pair and let us know how they are.
KACKI
Member
posted: Oct. 23, 2009 @ 11:00a
I understand revenue is not profit. I am making a point that a company can't designs good speakers without enough income to keep engineers on board.
True, and in fact profit would be considerably less than revenue. However sometimes companies report profit AFTER all expenses including salaries.
Also, these 'estimates' can be WAY off the mark. If it's a private company then it's just a guess based on I don't know what. For example, I know of a firm where a similar estimate says revenue of $500K annually. I know the CEO well; he brings home at least $200K himself. He also employs skilled people, a staff of at least 8, several of whom make over $75K easy. Do the math...
vietchuot
New Member
posted: Oct. 23, 2009 @ 11:17a
It wasn't difficult to find a review for this speaker. They're about average quality with barely-adequate sound. Not exactly white van - where those speakers actually harm components.
DealRaider generally posts good audio deals. I can't remember ever seeing him post any audio item that didn't seem to be worthy.
As mentioned, the free shipping is perplexing. The dealer could wind up losing money on some sales and making precious little on many others.
Most all amps put out more power at 4 ohms. However, that often comes at the price of increased distortion and heat. I'm not sure I'd want to run any of my amps/receivers at 4 ohms.
If I had enough room for another pair of big, floor standing speakers. I'd definitely order a pair, more out of curiosity than anything else. But sadly I just don't have the room.
KACKI
Member
posted: Oct. 23, 2009 @ 11:39a
vietchuot said: It wasn't difficult to find a review for this speaker. They're about average quality with barely-adequate sound. Not exactly white van - where those speakers actually harm components.
$100 for these aren't bad. At least they're legit speakers
That speaker seems to be the bookshelf version (or akin to) the one that's on this deal. I don't think it's a BAD speaker; just that it's not necessarily a GOOD speaker. But for 100 smackers...
I know a little about speakers (duh) and these appear to be a shade higher than white van specials, but not by much. These seem to be marketed in the entry level like brands such as Cadence and Fluance, or the budget Wharfedales from just a few years ago that had the budget market flooded.
I'd strongly suspect that at $95 delivered, you are at least getting what you pay for. They are likely tweakable to some degree, and should be good enough for casual background music.
Look at it like this, for the money - they have to be better than Bose.
Well what the heck - for $95 delivered, I just ordered a pair. The worst they can be is awful. I can always find a victim for them if they are REALLY bad.
modestninja said: Also, these are 4ohm speakers so they will require considerably more power to drive than "normal" (for this price range) 8ohm speakers.What leads you to believe that lower impedance speakers are less sensitive? Just a guess on my part, but you're not really into the technical details of audio, are you?
BlackPear1 said: modestninja said: Also, these are 4ohm speakers so they will require considerably more power to drive than "normal" (for this price range) 8ohm speakers.What leads you to believe that lower impedance speakers are less sensitive? Just a guess on my part, but you're not really into the technical details of audio, are you?
Well if you substitute "current" for "power" - then the statement is correct.
I wonder how many people will buy these for their "100 watt x (enter number of channels here)" crapola receiver and force the output stage or PS into meltdown?
I know this thread is old now, but I am listening to my pair now.
These are not white van grade speakers. They are solidly built, smooth sounding overall - being a bit laid back at the top, but the mid/treble crossover is smooth. They do have a full crossover in them, and the cabinets are split as the 8" driver has it's own enclosure. True bass to 32Hz after peaking in the 40-50Hz region.
I am a fan of the Polk R50s, yet these are a significantly better speaker overall.
Bottom line, to those who slapped red all over these - this was a true hot deal.
dragula911
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 31, 2009 @ 3:48p
thekid72 said: I know this thread is old now, but I am listening to my pair now.
These are not white van grade speakers. They are solidly built, smooth sounding overall - being a bit laid back at the top, but the mid/treble crossover is smooth. They do have a full crossover in them, and the cabinets are split as the 8" driver has it's own enclosure. True bass to 32Hz after peaking in the 40-50Hz region.
I am a fan of the Polk R50s, yet these are a significantly better speaker overall.
Bottom line, to those who slapped red all over these - this was a true hot deal.
Agreed. I really like what I got for 95$. However, 1 of my speakers didn't have the gold "feet" and the screws to put on the feet, but thats not a big deal to me at least. This was a really good deal.
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