This is a new NEC 23" model just recently released, you can get it from buy.com for $328 shipped (don't forget bing.com CashBack or FatWallet CashBack). I just ordered one. It just arrived, definitely definitely a keeper!
It uses e-IPS panel and should have good quality. Check the HardForum Discussion.
As a developer, I have been searching for a good IPS LCD panel for quite many years. All I need is pure, clear, crisp 2D text display which won't make my eyes painful after 16 hours a day staring at it. Basically all TN, PVA panels are out of consideration. So far our experience:
- Dell 2001FP, 1908FP: Keeper, when Dell still makes good IPS panels - NEC 2490WUXi, 2690WUXi: best of the best, however too expensive at $1200, we use them in my company - Dell 2409WFP: piece of crap S-PVA panel, returned all 5 we bought - Dell U2410: high hopes, H-IPS panel, however has terrible text quality (may due to firmware, not sure yet). It is lying in the corner right now - Apple 24", 30" LCD: perfect, however limited inputs, expensive also terrible Apple warranty - Apple 24" iMac, new 21"/27" iMac: perfect panel, however bundled with the computer. Only supports Display Port input. - NEC EA231WMi 23": e-IPS panel, great crisp text, wonderful color. Definitely a winner! 3-year warranty.
ehua999 said: I thought Apple warranty was pretty good.
Most Apple products, including the Cinema LCD, iMac have only 1 year warranty. Check here. This NEC, or good Dell monitors all have 3-year warranty.
Well, my Macbook Air's internal sound card cable just somehow broke after 16 months. Guess what, only Apple can fix it, the cable costs $18, but the labor is $85. It is actually pretty much a design flaw (since the cable is inside the box and there are many such cases), but Apple doesn't acknowledge it. Anyway, you pay Apple Tax to enjoy their cool, new stuff. Every 2 years, all your old stuff are in the trash (look at how many times they changed the display ports: VGA - DVI - Display Port - Mini Display Port).
By the way, all Apple LCD/iMac only supports Mini Display Port. Now you need to upgrade your video card.
xzqiu88 said: how about Dell 2209wa? Is e-IPS really better for the eyes? As a code developer, I don't care much about viewing angle or crispy image.
Viewing angle doesn't bother you? White backgrounds turning grey in the corners is something that bothers me. and I don't like light text on black or dark background..
Good deal OP. This is an exciting monitor, finally some quality panels hopefully becoming available.
But please mark it eIPS so it's not confused with the older, more expensive IPS panels. eIPS is a cheaper version of IPS and has some drawback as I understand it. Still a lot better than TN and probably *VAs too
SAMSAMHA
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 10, 2009 @ 12:42p
found it slightly cheaper at http://www.provantage.com/nec-display-solutions-ea231wmi-bk~7NECL0CN.htm
chronostorm
Member
posted: Nov. 10, 2009 @ 12:42p
blueribb said: Maximum Response Time: 14ms ?
Is this normal for a high-end monitor ?
AFAIK, IPS panels have higher response times than TN panels, in general
It also depends on how the response time is measured. The faster times like 2ms are taken from Grey to Grey. The higher ones like 16ms are "usually" taken from Black to White. Wikipedia article
I skipped ahead to the last 5 pages of the HardForums discussion linked in the original post. Many have the monitor on their desktop now. Being the net, you have no idea what people's qualifications are but reviews seem mixed.
It just arrived (2 days after ordering from Buy.com), and the quality is simply awesome! Definitely a keeper, totally comparable to the high-end NEC 2490WUXi or 2690WUXi IMHO, but 1/3 of the price, same warranty!
- Like I stated, this panel is best for developers who have sensitive eyes, or 2D artists. May not be a good fit for gamers due to IPS panel's slow response time (by design)
- My company has went through tons of LCD monitors recently to pick out the best for developers/artists. So far NEC ones are the only winner in every perspective (pricing, quality, warranty).
- For those who never had a chance to look at a IPS panel (they never have them in the store show room), you really need to put them on the side of a TN or PVA panel to tell the difference. It is hugely better. Like in the old days, if you put a Sony FD Triniton or Diamontron CRT on the side of a crappy Samsung or View Sonic, you will tell. Also before the video card's display quality differs quite a lot (like Matrox is the king of 2D text), nowadays with DVI, they are much closer.
- Regarding Dell 2209WA, after the total fail of their top of line U2410 (H-IPS panel) and 2408WFP (S-PVA) we had, I am not going to buy ANY LCD monitors from Dell. Their quality control is just horrible. Search "U2410 Firmware" in google to read more.
Would you estimate this to be good for accurate photo editing? I have a nice, large Samsung panel, but it's TN and color accuracy leaves something to be desired. I also have an older Eizo monitor which is awesome, but it's fading slightly in one corner and only 17". I'm really accustomed to the larger real estate of the Samsung (which I can use for gaming with a higher response rate), but I need something to pair with it where I can edit my photography (without breaking the bank, I'm not a pro yet). Advice appreciated.
On hardforum there are very high-end people talking about some coloring issues with this monitor (or ANY monitor). My feeling is: you can't go wrong with this $328 monitor if you doesn't need Pro level color accuracy (those will require > $1k and professional color calibration tools like Spyder etc).
Thumbs DOWN. You're better off waiting for a good deal on a 24" HP LP2475W IPS panel. They often go on sale for $380ish. I paid $360 after BING a while back. A far superior panel!
DaytonDealer said: Would you estimate this to be good for accurate photo editing? I have a nice, large Samsung panel, but it's TN and color accuracy leaves something to be desired. I also have an older Eizo monitor which is awesome, but it's fading slightly in one corner and only 17". I'm really accustomed to the larger real estate of the Samsung (which I can use for gaming with a higher response rate), but I need something to pair with it where I can edit my photography (without breaking the bank, I'm not a pro yet). Advice appreciated.
My advice is that unless you are really good at eyeball calibration, get at least a low end monitor calibrator like a Huey or Spyder. Otherwise, color is a crap-shoot no matter how good the panel.
ex0dus said: Thumbs DOWN. You're better off waiting for a good deal on a 24" HP LP2475W IPS panel. They often go on sale for $380ish. I paid $360 after BING a while back. A far superior panel!
And just how is it FAR superior ? Do you own both ? Please link an article that proves your claim.
xzqiu88
New Member
posted: Nov. 11, 2009 @ 11:33a
blueribb said: ex0dus said: Thumbs DOWN. You're better off waiting for a good deal on a 24" HP LP2475W IPS panel. They often go on sale for $380ish. I paid $360 after BING a while back. A far superior panel!
And just how is it FAR superior ? Do you own both ? Please link an article that proves your claim.
He probably means that IPS is considered more high-end than e-IPS. I am hesitating whether to buy the NEC or to wait for the $200 deal of Dell 2009wa.
xzqiu88 said: blueribb said: ex0dus said: Thumbs DOWN. You're better off waiting for a good deal on a 24" HP LP2475W IPS panel. They often go on sale for $380ish. I paid $360 after BING a while back. A far superior panel!
And just how is it FAR superior ? Do you own both ? Please link an article that proves your claim.
He probably means that IPS is considered more high-end than e-IPS. I am hesitating whether to buy the NEC or to wait for the $200 deal of Dell 2009wa.
IMO, I'd get the LP2475. While the Dell 2209wa is nice and cheap for an e-IPS panel, its biggest drawback is the resolution - 1600x1050. Full 1080p movies will have to be scaled to fit.
ex0dus said: Thumbs DOWN. You're better off waiting for a good deal on a 24" HP LP2475W IPS panel. They often go on sale for $380ish. I paid $360 after BING a while back. A far superior panel!
If there is such a deal on HP model, it may really be a better deal since it uses H-IPS panel, dual DVI inputs as well HDMI and DisplayPort, and 6ms response time link to spec. However, it sells for more than $550 at the moment on Amazon. Where did you get the deal from?
Another thing to add is, I never used HP LP2475W, so the above comparison are only based on spec. My personal experience with Dell U2410 H-IPS was horrible (same H-IPS panel), so you can't just trust the specs. Just comparing this NEC 23" with my top of line NEC 24" 2490WUXi there is no visible difference through my vision, so it is definitely a winner.
It is too bad that those manufactures uses same technology but generate panels have so much difference in quality.
For an IPS panel, yes. A products specs never tell you the complete story. Typically you don't buy an IPS panel for gaming, but for for wide viewing angle, color accuracy, and sharpness. HEREis a good summary of the advantages and disadvantages of each type of panel
xzqiu88
New Member
posted: Nov. 11, 2009 @ 3:49p
lzl said: ex0dus said: Thumbs DOWN. You're better off waiting for a good deal on a 24" HP LP2475W IPS panel. They often go on sale for $380ish. I paid $360 after BING a while back. A far superior panel!
If there is such a deal on HP model, it may really be a better deal since it uses H-IPS panel, dual DVI inputs as well HDMI and DisplayPort, and 6ms response time link to spec. However, it sells for more than $550 at the moment on Amazon. Where did you get the deal from?
Another thing to add is, I never used HP LP2475W, so the above comparison are only based on spec. My personal experience with Dell U2410 H-IPS was horrible (same H-IPS panel), so you can't just trust the specs. Just comparing this NEC 23" with my top of line NEC 24" 2490WUXi there is no visible difference through my vision, so it is definitely a winner.
It is too bad that those manufactures uses same technology but generate panels have so much difference in quality.
According to techbargains, there was one time it was priced around $400 back in July.
HP LP2475W 24 inch Widescreen LCD Monitor (IPS Panel!) $386.86, Jul. 29 4 PM
Deal Expired: OnSale has the HP LP2475W 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor (KD911A8#ABA) for $386.99. $22.99 Shipping. Tax in CA, IL, TN, NY.
Many thanks to the OP for mentioning some other monitors he's had experience with.
I'm shopping for a new monitor now and it's turning into a baffling ordeal. Too many models from too many manufacturers and it's sometimes very hard to tell what kind of panel type is used.
Here's what I'd like to get:
22" - 24" monitor
1920 x 1080 resolution minimum, 1920 x 1200 preferred.
decent or better color reproduction (i.e. strongly prefer non-TN)
HDMI and/or DVI inputs required, DisplayPort is a bonus.
USB hub is a bonus
Speakers are not necessary
I'm also kind of intrigued by the idea of a monitor which can rotate into portrait mode -- seems like all that vertical resolution might be nice for code editing. I don't require it, however, especially if I can find a monitor with 1200 lines of vertical res.
Recommendations for affordable models I should be looking at are greatly appreciated (or comments about why I won't find that particular combination of features.)
I own an LP2475W and am very pleased with it due to the price, quality, and size considerations and I really wanted a 16:10 LCD 1920 x 1200 (it does rotate to portrait too). A lot of my decision making was based on the following review:
doncrescas said: DaytonDealer said: Would you estimate this to be good for accurate photo editing? I have a nice, large Samsung panel, but it's TN and color accuracy leaves something to be desired. I also have an older Eizo monitor which is awesome, but it's fading slightly in one corner and only 17". I'm really accustomed to the larger real estate of the Samsung (which I can use for gaming with a higher response rate), but I need something to pair with it where I can edit my photography (without breaking the bank, I'm not a pro yet). Advice appreciated.
My advice is that unless you are really good at eyeball calibration, get at least a low end monitor calibrator like a Huey or Spyder. Otherwise, color is a crap-shoot no matter how good the panel.
I plan to. The bit about color accuracy on my Samsung was poorly worded. I meant that the color reproduction, compared to my Eizo with the same images, is not even in the same league even after significant fiddling and adjustment. I just don't think it's capable of being that good, which is understandable since that 17" was over $600 about 5 years ago and is more or less professional-grade.
Fallout said: For a higher end monitor, the 1920 x 1080 resolution is disappointing.
What where you expecting? 1920 x 1200 won't fit because of the 16:9 ratio. The next res up is at this ratio is 2560 x 1440 and that can only be found on the 27" iMac.....and a 27" picture squeezed on a 23" monitor....not so good.
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