Sig Sauer 2022 9mm Night Sights 2 Grips w/Rail Mounted Laser $469 Shipped To Your FFL @ Buds

Comes with 2 magazines, 2 grips, one rail mounted laser, and factory hard case.

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The Sig Sauer SP2022 is the latest version of popular polymer framed pistol and features a durable, lightweight and wear resistant polymer frame with the added tactical versatility of an integrated accessory rail. The slide is machined from a solid block of stainless steel and protected by Sigs black Nitron finish. Sigs safety system consists of (1) a patented automatic firing pin block, (2) a decocking lever, (3) a safety intercept notch and (4) a trigger bar disconnector.

Specifications
Type Pistol
Action Single / Double
Caliber 9 mm
Barrel Length 3.85"
Capacity 15 + 1
Safety Decocker
Grips Polymer
Sights Night Sights
Weight 27 oz
Finish Blue

Damn. WITH the laser & grips for $469??? That's hot.

smokin'!

I'd prefer a shark with a fricking laser beam on it's head but this is probably more convenient to carry for defensive purposes. Nice deal OP.

this or a springfield xd9?....

yuppiejr said: I'd prefer a shark with a fricking laser beam on it's head but this is probably more convenient to carry for defensive purposes. Nice deal OP.

i'd prefer a wolf knife laser torch. green for OP

Just know, in my area at least, that 40s&w ammo is about 30-40% more in cost than 9mm. I have a 40 and enjoy shooting it, but being able to buy 9mm ammo for 10$/50 makes it the caliber I shoot the most. I would also choose the Sig over over a XD for the great trigger that the 2022 has.

emufan said: Buy, same gun in the more power full .40 sw from same site here Buds for $439.00, and get the same laser here CDNN for $16.99. 439+16.99= $455.99 with shipping might be same price or less. I bought the 9mm last year, and wish i would have got .40 s&w. Green Me please.

The 9mm vs .40 debate is not so cut and dry as "more powerful" versus "less" - there are a LOT of factors involved in which handgun caliber is best for a particular shooter and situation. Using a pistol as a primary home defense firearm is itself a much larger compromise than what type of ammo said pistol will use.

There is a lot of opinion and hyperbole along with some data in the 9mm vs .40/.45 debate and it's a bigger discussion than "a bigger bullet is better". With modern defensive cartridge and hollowpoint bullet design there's little difference in terminal performance of the most common semi auto handgun calibers from 9mm through .45 cal when engaging a bad guy. The 9mm is a good choice for a lot of shooters because ammo is less expensive than the other calibers making it more affordable to practice (placement/quick follow-up shots), recoil is more manageable and you typically end up with 2-3 extra rounds in the magazine in the same size pistol.

If you want a good defensive firearm pick up a Remington 870 pump shotgun in either 20 or 12 gauge and a couple boxes of Federal low recoil 00 buckshot and slugs - you're good to go.

double post sorry deleted

yuppiejr said: emufan said: Buy, same gun in the more power full .40 sw from same site here Buds for $439.00, and get the same laser here CDNN for $16.99. 439+16.99= $455.99 with shipping might be same price or less. I bought the 9mm last year, and wish i would have got .40 s&w. Green Me please.

The 9mm vs .40 debate is not so cut and dry as "more powerful" versus "less" - there are a LOT of factors involved in which handgun caliber is best for a particular shooter and situation. Using a pistol as a primary home defense firearm is itself a much larger compromise than what type of ammo said pistol will use.

There is a lot of opinion and hyperbole along with some data in the 9mm vs .40/.45 debate and it's a bigger discussion than "a bigger bullet is better". With modern defensive cartridge and hollowpoint bullet design there's little difference in terminal performance of the most common semi auto handgun calibers from 9mm through .45 cal when engaging a bad guy. The 9mm is a good choice for a lot of shooters because ammo is less expensive than the other calibers making it more affordable to practice (placement/quick follow-up shots), recoil is more manageable and you typically end up with 2-3 extra rounds in the magazine in the same size pistol.

If you want a good defensive firearm pick up a Remington 870 pump shotgun in either 20 or 12 gauge and a couple boxes of Federal low recoil 00 buckshot and slugs - you're good to go.

Actually, it's very cut and dry and it's not an opinion. Unless Newton's second law of motion has changed, since I received my graduate degree. The first caveat we assume all calculations as the projectile leaves the barrel. There by taking a typical 123.5 gr (8.0 grams) 9mm round traveling at 360 meters/second. will produce 518 Joules of energy. Where as, a 165gr (10.7 grams) .40 S&W traveling at 350 meters/second will produce 656 Joules. The typical .40 S&W. round has 30-50% more kinetic energy than a 9mm. "Little difference in terminal performance of common semi auto handguns" ? I had a good laugh. Umm and how do I conceal carry my 870 shotgun?

excx said: I love this deal, but I am a lefty and the controls are not that accommodating to south paws. anyone know if you can release the slide lock on this like a glock by pulling back on the slide?

Yes - and that is the preferred method of releasing the slide; pull back with support hand and let it slam into battery. The mag release button can be moved from left to right easily. The decocker is on the left side and can't be moved, however it's easily operated by left hand trigger finger.

A properly placed 9mm round will stop a threat as well as a properly placed .40 round. Plenty of law enforcement agencies, as well as NATO and other Military forces, use 9mm. If the lower price of 9mm ammo allows you more practice and/or training - then that is the clear choice.

Having owned an Xd, and now owning a 2022, there's no doubt that the 2022 has a superior trigger system. BUT - IMO that should not be the only deciding factor, what matters more is which one shoots where you want it to, and that's probably more a dependent on how well the gun fits your hand and grip.

I also think the 2022 has superior design and workmanship, but both are well up to the task and will get the job done just fine if the shooter does his/her job also.

emufan said: yuppiejr said: emufan said: Buy, same gun in the more power full .40 sw from same site here Buds for $439.00, and get the same laser here CDNN for $16.99. 439+16.99= $455.99 with shipping might be same price or less. I bought the 9mm last year, and wish i would have got .40 s&w. Green Me please.

The 9mm vs .40 debate is not so cut and dry as "more powerful" versus "less" - there are a LOT of factors involved in which handgun caliber is best for a particular shooter and situation. Using a pistol as a primary home defense firearm is itself a much larger compromise than what type of ammo said pistol will use.

There is a lot of opinion and hyperbole along with some data in the 9mm vs .40/.45 debate and it's a bigger discussion than "a bigger bullet is better". With modern defensive cartridge and hollowpoint bullet design there's little difference in terminal performance of the most common semi auto handgun calibers from 9mm through .45 cal when engaging a bad guy. The 9mm is a good choice for a lot of shooters because ammo is less expensive than the other calibers making it more affordable to practice (placement/quick follow-up shots), recoil is more manageable and you typically end up with 2-3 extra rounds in the magazine in the same size pistol.

If you want a good defensive firearm pick up a Remington 870 pump shotgun in either 20 or 12 gauge and a couple boxes of Federal low recoil 00 buckshot and slugs - you're good to go.

Actually, it's very cut and dry and it's not an opinion. Unless Newton's second law of motion has changed, since I received my graduate degree. The first caveat we assume all calculations as the projectile leaves the barrel. There by taking a typical 123.5 gr (8.0 grams) 9mm round traveling at 360 meters/second. will produce 518 Joules of energy. Where as, a 165gr (10.7 grams) .40 S&W traveling at 350 meters/second will produce 656 Joules. The typical .40 S&W. round has 30-50% more kinetic energy than a 9mm. "Little difference in terminal performance of common semi auto handguns" ? I had a good laugh. Umm and how do I conceal carry my 870 shotgun?

I did not suggest carrying your 870, I suggested in the "nightstand drawer" scenario described in a previous post that a pump shotgun is a superior defensive choice to any pistol due to the significantly better odds that someone without a lot of training can hit the bad guy with a "fight ending volley" under stress.

Terminal performance against a target assumes you HIT the target in question - a 40 cal pistol has a significantly sharper felt recoil than the 124/147 grain 9mm defensive loads I've tested and trained new shooters with after graduating from .22 school. A difference of 140 joules makes no difference if you miss the bad guy entirely or place shots badly because the shooter is closing their eyes or throwing the muzzle of the gun down due to anticipated recoil flinching. It is my experience that the cost of ammo plus the greater training required to place shots well under stress makes the .40 a harder and more expensive caliber to master. Most pistol fights do not end with one shot so the ability to put numerous shots on a target in a way to end the fight quickly is also of key importance. If you consider the total ammunition capacity of the 9mm vs 40 cal versions of this gun you're talking about 7770 joules vs 7872, less than a 1% difference in "total whoopass" yet the former is going to put a second shot on the target more quickly than the larger caliber pistol particularly with a light polymer frame.

I'm not advocating one being better or "more powerful" than the other - I'm simply pointing out that your analysis is rather one-dimentional. For a new/casual shooter I'd probably suggest the 9mm over the 40 simply because it's easier/cheaper to practice with which means it will be more likely to be deployed effectivly in a defensive situation.

yuppiejr said:
I did not suggest carrying your 870, I suggested in the "nightstand drawer" scenario described in a previous post that a pump shotgun is a superior defensive choice to any pistol due to the significantly better odds that someone without a lot of training can hit the bad guy with a "fight ending volley" under stress.
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I disagree with the public myth that a shotgun is easier to use then a handgun and is a better defensive weapon. In certain situations such as a ranch or farm property I would not dispute this, but in common urban encounters the bad guy will be less then 10 yards away. Add in hallways and rooms and long arms are a disadvantage compared to a handgun. At 10 yards, a shotgun will make a 2 inch hole at best - which is hardly a don't need to aim weapon. A shotgun also requires 2 hands to operate.

Terminal performance against a target assumes you HIT the target in question - a shotgun has a significantly sharper felt recoil than handgun defensive loads. [...] A difference of x number of joules makes no difference if you miss the bad guy entirely or place shots badly because the shooter is closing their eyes or throwing the muzzle of the gun down due to anticipated recoil flinching. It is my experience that the cost of ammo plus the greater training required to place shots well under stress makes the shotgun a more expensive caliber to master. Most gun fights do not end with one shot so the ability to put numerous shots on a target in a way to end the fight quickly is also of key importance. If you consider the total ammunition capacity of the handgun vs shotguns you're talking about 10-15 rounds vs 5 rounds, less than an x% difference in "total whoopass" yet the former is going to put a second shot on the target more quickly than the pump action shotgun particularly with easier reloads.

emufan said: yuppiejr said: emufan said: Buy, same gun in the more power full .40 sw from same site here Buds for $439.00, and get the same laser here CDNN for $16.99. 439+16.99= $455.99 with shipping might be same price or less. I bought the 9mm last year, and wish i would have got .40 s&w. Green Me please.

The 9mm vs .40 debate is not so cut and dry as "more powerful" versus "less" - there are a LOT of factors involved in which handgun caliber is best for a particular shooter and situation. Using a pistol as a primary home defense firearm is itself a much larger compromise than what type of ammo said pistol will use.

There is a lot of opinion and hyperbole along with some data in the 9mm vs .40/.45 debate and it's a bigger discussion than "a bigger bullet is better". With modern defensive cartridge and hollowpoint bullet design there's little difference in terminal performance of the most common semi auto handgun calibers from 9mm through .45 cal when engaging a bad guy. The 9mm is a good choice for a lot of shooters because ammo is less expensive than the other calibers making it more affordable to practice (placement/quick follow-up shots), recoil is more manageable and you typically end up with 2-3 extra rounds in the magazine in the same size pistol.

If you want a good defensive firearm pick up a Remington 870 pump shotgun in either 20 or 12 gauge and a couple boxes of Federal low recoil 00 buckshot and slugs - you're good to go.

Actually, it's very cut and dry and it's not an opinion. Unless Newton's second law of motion has changed, since I received my graduate degree. The first caveat we assume all calculations as the projectile leaves the barrel. There by taking a typical 123.5 gr (8.0 grams) 9mm round traveling at 360 meters/second. will produce 518 Joules of energy. Where as, a 165gr (10.7 grams) .40 S&W traveling at 350 meters/second will produce 656 Joules. The typical .40 S&W. round has 30-50% more kinetic energy than a 9mm. "Little difference in terminal performance of common semi auto handguns" ? I had a good laugh. Umm and how do I conceal carry my 870 shotgun?

Ignorance is Bliss I suppose. There is more to terminal ballistics than just energy put on target. Energy does play a part but bullet design is critical in pistol calibers. Penetration depth, temporary and permanent wound cavities and of course bullet expansion.

tankker said: I totally disagree with you. A 9mm round WILL NOT stop a threat as well as a properly placed .40. as a former LEO, no one carried a 9mm because of the lack of stopping power. there are plenty of stories in my dept how a 9mm did not bring down a person. most officers carried a .40 and my carry was a .45. in the past, law enforcement had .38 revolvers. so it is always changing. Plus, as a former combat arms army officer we trained with sw 9mm. they sucked. just because the Military uses it does not mean its the best, in the Military , its always the lowest bidder that wins the contracts. i may buy in 9mm just because the ammo is so much cheaper. but do not buy the 9mm as a primary home defense if you have the choice.

This post is so full of BS I'm going to have to put on waders to respond.

How many times did you shoot someone with a 9mm and a 40 while a LEO? The "stories" you heard about 9mm not bringing down a BG, can you tell us one? Or are they all just departmental hearsay?

The reason a lot of departments abandoned the 9mm in favor of the .40 was due to the FBI shootout in which several Special Agents were killed by rifle wielding foes. The 9mm took the rap for getting the officers killed, when what really happened was that the officers brought handguns to a rifle fight. The .40 wouldn't have saved them any more than the 9mm did. Actually, the .40 is considered (by some) to be a bastard round, a weakened version of the 10mm which is the round the FBI wanted after the 9mm "failed" at that shootout. The 10mm was too hard to qualify with (lots of power, meaning lots of recoil), so the .40 is what emerged.

I'm not arguing that the .40 is weaker than the 9mm. It's a nice stopgap between the 9mm and the .45. I'm just saying that they're both handgun rounds, and no amount of "oh, I'm a police officer!" chest beating actually indicates statistically significant data about the effectiveness of the two rounds. "A story I heard from some guy who's been on the force forever" is not equal to ballistic testing. You trained in the Military with a S&W 9mm and the pistol sucked. Well, sorry, but that's got nothing to do with the cartridge and everything to do with a bad pistol. You also neglect to address the diminished capacity of the .40 versus the 9mm. Those extra rounds can be lifesavers in a really serious situation.

If the 9mm wasn't an adequate man-stopper, our Military wouldn't use it. Enjoy your .40, but quit crapping on the 9mm. It's a perfectly capable cartridge that has put hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people 6 feet under.

And finally...the allegation that Military contracts are "awarded to the lowest bidder" is so misleading that it may as well be a lie. Yes, contracts are fulfilled by the lowest bidder...AFTER immense amounts of reliability and performance testing. If it was really a lowest bidder scenario, our armed forces would be carrying Hi-Points into battle. You're not likely to hear many troops gripe about their Beretta M9s, only the FMJ cartridge they're required to use by the Geneva Convention. 9mm in a hollow point configuration is a quite effective manstopper, but no handgun round is a decent alternative for a rifle round.

Hi, Did you get two grips too? If so, was the second grip a smaller one or larger one (than the standard)? Thanks.

I have being trying to call the shop since this morning. They have been extremely busy.

I prefer the springfield xdm 9mm. Much more comfortable for me.

You guys left out one key piece of information about the FBI shootout. An FBI agent shot the target and the bullet passed through the arm of the target and into his body. After passing through the arm, the bullet lost enough momentum to penetrate deep enough into the body. It was deemed that the 9mm lacked sufficient power because of that.

emufan said:

Actually, it's very cut and dry and it's not an opinion. Unless Newton's second law of motion has changed, since I received my graduate degree. The first caveat we assume all calculations as the projectile leaves the barrel. There by taking a typical 123.5 gr (8.0 grams) 9mm round traveling at 360 meters/second. will produce 518 Joules of energy. Where as, a 165gr (10.7 grams) .40 S&W traveling at 350 meters/second will produce 656 Joules. The typical .40 S&W. round has 30-50% more kinetic energy than a 9mm. "Little difference in terminal performance of common semi auto handguns" ? I had a good laugh. Umm and how do I conceal carry my 870 shotgun?

It's a shame you didn't pick up critical thinking skills in all that schooling.

Yes, a bigger bullet with more gunpowder will have more kinetic energy. BUT - life is not like a video game, where you have hitpoints, and a higher energy bullet takes away more of your life.

In real life, if you get hit with a bullet, you do NOT get pushed back like you see in the movies. You get pushed back very lightly - about the same amount of force that the person shooting the gun feels as recoil. (See Newton's laws w.r.t. equal and opposite reactions). The thing that hurts you is the path the bullet takes through your body and the cavity it produces. You may stumble back, but it's definately not from the force of the bullet - it's because you're reeling back in pain from your organs being shredded up.

Bigger bullets leave bigger cavities. But don't go around spouting kinetic energy figures as the reason why they're deadlier.

Sorry if I took an offensive tone, but I immediately took offense to your internet-wikipedia-warrior "know it all" tone.