Lenovo Thinkpad T400s laptop/notebook $899 AC

pizzman890 said: Excuse me, but $900 for a laptop is NOT a hot deal.

I just purchased a Lenovo laptop for $399. Not quite as nice, but close dual P2 chip, 2.1 ghz, 4gig memory, 250gig harddrive @ Newegg.com

You're excuse for being ignorant. You can't compare your ideapad G to the Thinkpad T400S, but I guess you won't know anything anyway.

Wholesomer said: pizzman890 said: Excuse me, but $900 for a laptop is NOT a hot deal.

I just purchased a Lenovo laptop for $399. Not quite as nice, but close dual P2 chip, 2.1 ghz, 4gig memory, 250gig harddrive @ Newegg.com

You're excuse for being ignorant. You can't compare your ideapad G to the Thinkpad T400S, but I guess you won't know anything anyway.

Not to point out your ignorance, but the G series is actually part of Lenovo's "Value Line" not an "Ideapad". Don't get me wrong, pizzman890's comment is uninformed, but I figured that you're a stickler about these things and I wanted to bring your mistake to your attention.

Ok, geniuses tell me what makes the T400 worth twice that of the G series ?

Processor?
Batter Life?
Memory?
Harddrive?
Operating System?

Both the G550 and the T400 are similar (if not identical) in all categories.

I will go on being ignorant, in fact I might just buy two for the price of your single T400.

pizzman890 said: Ok, geniuses tell me what makes the T400 worth twice that of the G series ?

Processor?
Batter Life?
Memory?
Harddrive?
Operating System?

Both the G550 and the T400 are similar (if not identical) in all categories.

I will go on being ignorant, in fact I might just buy two for the price of your single T400.

You know, you are right. They are absolutely identical in every single way. We were wrong for thinking that paying any more than you did for any computer in the world was a hot deal. Sorry about that!

The T400s is completely different than the T400. The biggest difference between the T400s and
the G550 is the weight: about four pounds vs. about six pounds. This may not be something you
are willing to pay for, but many are. The T400s is a relatively new laptop from Lenovo, and this
is by far the best price I have seen for it.

In one sense you can't really compare the T's with the G's as they are different machines, made
for completely different markets. If a G550 is the best laptop to meet your needs, and you paid
$399, then you have a great deal.

The OP has one of the thinnest and lightest 14" laptops, with a SSHD and 4GB of RAM, for
$1000. This is a fantastic deal.

pizzman890 said: Ok, geniuses tell me what makes the T400 worth twice that of the G series ?

Processor?
Batter Life?
Memory?
Harddrive?
Operating System?

Both the G550 and the T400 are similar (if not identical) in all categories.

I will go on being ignorant, in fact I might just buy two for the price of your single T400.

WHipppeeeee...

Now your being insulting.

A cheap, shiny, glossy laptop?

Both laptops are Lenovo.

Both laptops have a Pentium Core2 chip.

The G550 has a 15.6 LED screen, the T400 a 14.1 LED inch screen.

Both laptops come shipped with Windows 7.

The G550 has a 250G HDD,, the T400 400G HDD.

Both laptops come shipped with the 6 cell lithium battery.

So the T400 is newer, lighter and thinner.. Big whippitteee do dah.

pizzman890 said: Now your being insulting.

A cheap, shiny, glossy laptop?

Both laptops are Lenovo.

Both laptops have a Pentium Core2 chip.

The G550 has a 15.6 LED screen, the T400 a 14.1 LED inch screen.

Both laptops come shipped with Windows 7.

The G550 has a 250G HDD,, the T400 400G HDD.

Both laptops come shipped with the 6 cell lithium battery.

So the T400 is newer, lighter and thinner.. Big whippitteee do dah.

There is no Pentium Core 2 chip. "Dual core" is merely means that there are 2 cores in the CPU, and "Core 2" is the 2nd generation of the line of CPUs called "Core". A Core 2 Duo CPU is much faster than a Pentium CPU (both have two cores), even if they have the same clock, not to mention that the former is more energy efficient and has more power-saving feautres.

A screen that is bigger does not make it better. Laptops are built with different form factors because different people have different needs. While I never understand why people would want a 17" LAPtop, there is certainly a market for that, and there are people who need thin and light laptop to travel with.

T400s is designed as a thin a light 14" laptop, with s stands for small. It is not as light as a 12" or a 10", but is certainly one of the lightest among all 14". If you want a (slightly) more fair comparison, you should compare yours to a T500, which is a 15" version of the T400, while T400s is the slimmer version of T400. The T500 is significantly cheaper than the T400s, but still more expensive than your G550.

There are reasons why Lenovo has two separately product line called the Thinkpad and Ideapad. Thinkpads are higher end products. They are designed for business and are built with durability in mind. They have much better keyboard and security features, and the whole construction of the machine is just much better.

Of course, not everyone values these features, and that's why there is this Ideapad products. For people like you who can't even name a CPU correctly, and who thinks bigger number means better, there is really no reason to look at the Thinkpad line.

This is a very good price for a very good computer. Comparing the T400s to Lenovo's G series is silly. Like comparing a Porsche to a Camaro. They may both get to 60 mph in 5 seconds but that's where the comparison ends.

Well being ignorant is not a crime. Let Pizz have some fun, or maybe he's doing this intentionally. Anyways this is one of the best deals I've seen in past especially for a "S" type. The processor with 6MB cache and 64 GB SSD is worth every penny for this lightweight laptop

As the Header says $899 AC. Does AC means after CashBack? How should I use the CashBack option on Fatwallet for this deal. I'm new to this CashBack option.

Quikboy4 said: What I really love to is that "Pizz" asked why the T400s was better, and then gave red to Kenmoreland's accurate and fair explanation. He also gave red to KHTSE's further analysis. Looks like he really wants to "go on being ignorant".

He must have given me a red by mistaken, he sent me a PM saying "thank you for the translation". lol

Anyway, Intel is going to announce their Arrandale platform in January 2010 (mobile Core i7, i5, and i3). Every laptop manufacturers is going to update their current product lines. Lenovo's roadmap has been leaked earlier, and it indicates that (non-surprisingly) they will update the current models to T410, T410s, X210... and so on. So we can expect to see a lot of good deal for current generation Thinkpads in the coming months, as they clear stock for newer models.

pizzman890 said: Excuse me, but $900 for a laptop is NOT a hot deal.

I just purchased a Lenovo laptop for $399. Not quite as nice, but close dual P2 chip, 2.1 ghz, 4gig memory, 250gig harddrive @ Newegg.com

$900 for a laptop where the previous best deal was $1100 is a hot deal. This laptop is a nice size at 14.1" and under 4lbs and just over .75" thick, to be exact, it's 3.91 lbs, and 0.81" thick. For people who need a powerful laptop for work and carry them around all day from client to client, this is well worth the premium.

If this deal is not for you, just move along. As you said you just bought a $400 laptop, so why are you even wasting time in other laptop threads ???

DirtyBird said: Intel Core2 Duo processor SP9400 (2.40GHz, 6MB L2, 1066MHz FSB)

I do not see this option for the 9400?

Looks like you selected the T400. This deal is for the T400s which is the newer version (that is lighter, thinner, etc..).

This is the lowest price I have ever seen. Great!
Btw, could you explain why you choose the 64G SSD? I do not know anything about the ssd. Thanks.

seeksilence said: This is the lowest price I have ever seen. Great!
Btw, could you explain why you choose the 64G SSD? I do not know anything about the ssd. Thanks.

SSDs are much faster (very significant, even a person who doesn't know much about computer can feel the difference) than traditional harddisk. They are also silent since there are no moving parts in them. If you hate the grinding noise when you harddisk loads, you will love SSDs. The obvious drawback of course is that SSDs are very expensive.

Thanks Khtse. I am currently using a Thinkpad X41 tablet. It has an 1.8 inch 4200rpm drive which makes everything extremely slow. I am therefore also concerned about this one as it also uses 1.8 inch HD (5200 rpm?).
I like the solid construction of thinkpad...that is why I still want to give it another try.

khtse said: ShyWallet said: I am debating in getting the T400s or ASUS UL80Vt-A1 (or ASUS UL30A-A2). I have two concerns about the T400s: the 1.8 inch HD and the relatively short battery life. The ASUS machines have much longer battery life and regularly sized HD, and good reviews as well.
Someone please help...

Will you carry it around frequently? The T400s is almost a pound lighter. This may not sound like a lot, but it does matter when you carry it everyday (that's why I use a 12" X series Thinkpad).

Do you plan on playing games on it? T400s' Intel graphic chip sucks. The Asus you mentioned have Nvidia graphic. Even the lowest end graphic chip from Nvidia/ATI is waaaay faster than Intel's one. The Asus has a much much slower CPU though, so it seems gaming is not possible on either laptop.

Battery life. Yes, the T400s only has average battery life. Definitely a bummer. You may want to wait for T410s in January, when it is released with Core i5/i7 CPUs. These CPUs have memory integrated into them and should have improved battery life (the improvement is more likely to be 30mins to 1hr+ though, less likely to be something like 3 hours improvement).

Do you care about keyboard? Thinkpad keyboards are way better than these macbook-like keyboard that the Asus uses. Hey, they are spill proof too.

Both laptops have multi-touch enabled touchpad. The one on the T400s is textured, and many reviewer seems to praise that feature a lot, although that is more of an subjective opinion. BTW, with the Thinkpad you also have an extra track point (or eraser-head as some people call it) to use. I personally perfer track point to any touch pad, the only exception perhaps is the touchpad used only currently generation of Macbook Pro.

If possible, go try them out at your local computer stores. Thinkpads are well known for their very solid and tight construction. Lifting it and moving it around and you will start feeling that it is well worth the premium you paid. Even the aluminum macbooks can't give you that kind of feeling. Don't get me wrong, these macbooks are generally well made, and they feel basically very solid (due to the fact that it was made out of a solid piece of aluminum), but the protection for the screen is weak and the hinges feels particular vulnerable. These are my personal experience from owning an X31 and an X61, and from buying my dad a T400 (non-s). I haven't personally tried the Asus you mentioned, it may be very well made too, but you should really go check that out before making your purchase decision. Especially if you plan to carry them around frequently since then the durablility of the construction is extremely important.

The X41 uses a 1.8" 4800rpm harddisk... so yes that can be very slow. I think 5400rpm or even 7200rpm 1.8" harddisks are available these days, I might be wrong about the 7200rpm though.

The SSD upgrade option that Lenovo provided for the T400s is pretty cheap. I heard that the performance of that drive is only so so (relatively speaking, still considerable than traditional harddisk). The best MLC SSD on the market, the one made by Intel, is available in 1.8" format (search for Intel X18-M, 80GB or 160GB). It is more expensive though.

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