-RETRACTED- Write speed seems a bit slower than other drives. New egg has the OCZ Vertex : http://www.Newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227394 for $234.00 - $30MIR = $204.00 for 60GB @ 230MB/135MB
[EDIT] DCUCCIA & rigor & rotinoma thank you for pointing out that the specs are not as what they would seem. I retract what I said before. Thanks! Great information on SSD
the ocz are tuned to benchmark - the intels are fast and safe. kinda like when the voodoo3 came out and suddenly was the fastest thing until someone noticed the benchmarks were tweaked. not saying.
are you sure that part # is the right pic? the retail has drive rails and 3year warranty - the oem has 1yr (iirc) and no rails - both have a cool my ssd rocks sticker.
chrispix99 said: Write speed seems a bit slower than other drives.
Unless you care only about *writing* giant files, you want this drive over the Vertex. Random 4K reads and writes are what makes your OS tick. Check out Anandtech's extensive set of articles on SSDs.
ChanceUSC said: Sweet, they are getting cheaper. Anyone know when Intel is planning on dropping the price again? I'm holding out to get 4 in a raid 10 setup.
$249 has always been the regular street price for these G2 retails....just places are actually starting to get em in stock and not gouge the price.
Etch said: ChanceUSC said: Sweet, they are getting cheaper. Anyone know when Intel is planning on dropping the price again? I'm holding out to get 4 in a raid 10 setup.
$249 has always been the regular street price for these G2 retails....just places are actually starting to get em in stock and not gouge the price.
Roger that, but availability has been one of the factors as to why Intel has kept the price high. If they become easier to produce in mass quantity, prices will fall.
celebration said: Why a 'no thanks' on the preferred account?who wants to ding their credit report and open another account for a measly $20 rebate? I wouldn't either...
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So if you opened a Circuit City preferred account just to buy this one item it would hurt your credit report? I don't own a credit card, so can you explain how please?
Thanks to the OP for putting the regular price in the subject too, but I hate when people include discounts that requiring getting a new credit account in the price. Everyone could subtract $40 from the price on every Amazon deal and say "with Amazon Rewards Visa". It's a little ridiculous.
celebration said: So if you opened a Circuit City preferred account just to buy this one item it would hurt your credit report? I don't own a credit card, so can you explain how please?
In for one with BCB but no new credit card deals, good price and availability, thanks OP! BTW, is there an easy way to copy my existing HDD onto this SSD without a complete new install?
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posted: Feb. 12, 2010 @ 4:47p
It doesn't seem like it's a big deal if it's just one credit line... it seems like you run into problems when it is several within a short period of time. Since I don't have any credit cards, it seems like opening just this one wouldn't have an effect, but after I paid for everything would I be able to close the account, and would closing the account effect my score?
frenzieddeals said: In for one with BCB but no new credit card deals, good price and availability, thanks OP! BTW, is there an easy way to copy my existing HDD onto this SSD without a complete new install?
Download the trial of Acronis and clone it onto the new drive. Or if you have a Seagate drive in the system, you can use their free version (forget what its called, but I'm sure you can google it).
frenzieddeals said: In for one with BCB but no new credit card deals, good price and availability, thanks OP! BTW, is there an easy way to copy my existing HDD onto this SSD without a complete new install?
Try booting with a Clonezilla CD. (You'll need to use something like GParted to shrink your current partition to fit the 80GB drive.)
frenzieddeals said: In for one with BCB but no new credit card deals, good price and availability, thanks OP! BTW, is there an easy way to copy my existing HDD onto this SSD without a complete new install?
Why not just install Windows 7; it will figure out that you have the SSD drive & do its own magic. It's the only OS with the TRIM support out of the box*.
*(Out of the Microsoft family of OSes, I am not sure where we are with TRIM on the ext4 linux filesystems...)
SlamDonkey said: frenzieddeals said: In for one with BCB but no new credit card deals, good price and availability, thanks OP! BTW, is there an easy way to copy my existing HDD onto this SSD without a complete new install?
Why not just install Windows 7; it will figure out that you have the SSD drive & do its own magic. It's the only OS with the TRIM support out of the box*.
*(Out of the Microsoft family of OSes, I am not sure where we are with TRIM on the ext4 linux filesystems...)I'm ok with reinstalling the OS, but what a mess if I have to reinstall all my apps and settings....
It is my understanding that Intel's SSD Toolbox allows support for Trim in XP as well as 7. With the large amount of room that windows 7 takes, up I specifically got an Intel SSD for their toolbox software to allow me to continue to use XP with an SSD.
I had allready bought a copy of Windows 7 before I read about the winsxs folder issue in both Vista and Windows 7- bought a fresh copy of 64 bit XP to use instead.
For best results you should do a new install. If you copied your install over and the cloning program wasn't intelligent you could end up with a sector offset that would hurt your performance (XP has this problem itself). Also not all OS's are smart enough to detect you changed the disk drive they were on... if it automatically ran a regularly scheduled disk defragmentation you would end up with one hell of a swiss cheesed SSD.
I keep seeing how people want to RAID these things... RAID means you lose TRIM support, and without TRIM drive performance WILL degrade with use.
sequoia464 said: It is my understanding that Intel's SSD Toolbox allows support for Trim in XP as well as 7. With the large amount of room that windows 7 takes, up I specifically got an Intel SSD for their toolbox software to allow me to continue to use XP with an SSD.
I had allready bought a copy of Windows 7 before I read about the winsxs folder issue in both Vista and Windows 7- bought a fresh copy of 64 bit XP to use instead.
Their Toolbox program lets you manually run TRIM, but this does not replace TRIM support. You need to run the utility daily to keep performance more or less normalized. Windows 7 requires 15GB of drive space, in my respectful opinion that is more than worth it for the OS.
Kougar said: For best results you should do a new install. If you copied your install over and the cloning program wasn't intelligent you could end up with a sector offset that would hurt your performance (XP has this problem itself). Also not all OS's are smart enough to detect you changed the disk drive they were on... if it automatically ran a regularly scheduled disk defragmentation you would end up with one hell of a swiss cheesed SSD.
I keep seeing how people want to RAID these things... RAID means you lose TRIM support, and without TRIM drive performance WILL degrade with use.
sequoia464 said: It is my understanding that Intel's SSD Toolbox allows support for Trim in XP as well as 7. With the large amount of room that windows 7 takes, up I specifically got an Intel SSD for their toolbox software to allow me to continue to use XP with an SSD.
I had allready bought a copy of Windows 7 before I read about the winsxs folder issue in both Vista and Windows 7- bought a fresh copy of 64 bit XP to use instead.
Their Toolbox program lets you manually run TRIM, but this does not replace TRIM support. You need to run the utility daily to keep performance more or less normalized. Windows 7 requires 15GB of drive space, in my respectful opinion that is more than worth it for the OS.
Hi Kougar, I have both 64 bit versions (XP and 7) - still waiting on a processor to finish my build. I have heard people both ways that prefer one O.S. or the other and can say that I honestly don't know becaue I haven't used Windows 7. We have 7 on my wifes computer and one additional business computer but I don't use either of those very much. Not to start any controversy, but is there anything specific that makes you prefer Windows 7? - (Stability - ease of use - or anything else). Thanks for any input you might have - this is for a business computer so stability and reliability are paramount factors for me.
I did this very thing, using Gparted to shrink the system partition on my 500GB laptop HDD to the same size as the Intel SSD, copy data, reboot, repair using Windows 7 install disk. Installation has been perfect for 3 weeks now YMMV. Use this link for info.
Note: Use Windows 7 to create a single partition on SSD in order to get correct alignment.
sequoia464 - Go with Win7 64-bit. Driver support has matured and there's no compelling reason to stick with 32-bit as long as all the device drivers are there. 32-bit apps run fine under Win7 64-bit.
Some other reasons to go with Win7: USB 3.0 support will be there first for Win7 (and Vista but that's trash OS). XP might get it later, or might never get it. As another FW mentioned, SSD TRIM support is native in Win7. No hacks necessary. Native AHCI support for optimal SATA performance and initial OS installation. Dynamic audio switching transparent to the app. For instance, play audio with the internal sound card, plug in USB headphones and everything automagically switches to that. XP's audio driver model can't do that. And lots more... generally the market is moving towards Win7 fast and your best bet with compatibility and updates for the next ~4 years is Win7. XP will still be around and will still work, but most likely feature limited with the newest technology.
Hope SSD prices keep dropping. My price threshold is a 1.5x premium over the cost of spinning HDs, per GB of course.
sequoia464 said: Hi Kougar, I have both 64 bit versions (XP and 7) - still waiting on a processor to finish my build. I have heard people both ways that prefer one O.S. or the other and can say that I honestly don't know becaue I haven't used Windows 7. We have 7 on my wifes computer and one additional business computer but I don't use either of those very much. Not to start any controversy, but is there anything specific that makes you prefer Windows 7? - (Stability - ease of use - or anything else). Thanks for any input you might have - this is for a business computer so stability and reliability are paramount factors for me.
Thanks
I'd have to say the ease-of-use is the largest reason. Interacting with and trying to go from point A to point B is just so much quicker thanks to the Startmenu searchbox and welcome additions like Breadcrumbs. Stability has indeed improved up a notch, the only blue screens I have ever experienced were my fault from BIOS changes I was testing (mostly overclocking). As Peas says driver support is as good as it can get (and far better than XP 64bit support).
Windows 7 is the first Windows OS to be drive-aware... during the installing it will configure itself properly for an SSD if it detects one. The OS tools (while they could always be better) are more extensive than XP's, such as the Resource Management area. Windows 7 is the only Windows OS that supports concurrent multiple GPU driver installations, but this is mostly big for laptops with both IGPs and discrete cards. The networking stack is less fragile as it was rebuilt from the ground up with broadband in mind, and natively supports IPv6. If your business system will be running a Core i5 or Core i7 processor with Hyperthreading then Windows 7 will know what is a "logical" core versus a "physical" core, and schedule tasks appropriately. For sustained heavy loads you will see a slight performance increase over XP on 4-core 8-thread (or greater) systems.
Windows 7 is far from perfect, but I personally do consider it to be the best choice for a modern desktop system over XP and Vista.
I have not yet seen a "BSOD", even once, in the final version of Windows 7. Also, 64-bit is most likely the best way to go unless you have an old Palm and have to HotSync via cable (as opposed to via BT).
Thanks for the input, looks like I will try Windows 7. I ordered one of the 80 Gb Intel's, it should give me plenty of room for the O.S. and my main apps on the SSD - keeping the data on the regular drives.
This is by far the best deal on a consumer level SSD right now. I know prices will start to drop as production catches up, but demand is very high right now, as a lot of these not so great SSD deals are selling out very quickly.
Might as well jump in now...doing my part to lower the future price for all you fence sitters!
Wow, sleazy tactics from the new Circuit City. Just ordered, and got two things which irked me more than a little.
1. On the same page that shows that your order has been placed, it makes it seem like you need to include the last 4 digits of your SSN to complete the order. Not necessary to fill this part out, but they very obviously make it look like it is. Not sure I even want to know what they would do with that addtl information if you fill all that in.
2. The FIRST email you receive from them shows YOUR CONFIRMATION IS NEEDED as the subject. The content however, has nothing to do with your order. Trying to get you to sign up for one of their lists. It even says "We have received a request to add this email address to our list." Laughable BS, man. It reminds me of Glenn Beck style asshattery..."I'm just asking the question!!"
Lose the 1988 biz school marketing tactics if you want my future business, sleazoids.
This may not bother others, but there are plenty of retailers who do quite well w/o this type of (not so) sneaky trickery, so they don't get a pass in my book.
dcuccia said: chrispix99 said: Write speed seems a bit slower than other drives.
Unless you care only about *writing* giant files, you want this drive over the Vertex. Random 4K reads and writes are what makes your OS tick. Check out Anandtech's extensive set of articles on SSDs.
I take back what I said Thanks for the heads up. For those interested this part in particular is useful Link
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