Deal on the soon to be released Samsung 2010 50" 720p plasma tv - model PN50C450 at BH Photo. After BCB the price is $704 delivered..almost $200 cheaper than the Amazon listed price and $100 cheaper than any place else online:
orion19981 said: why do they bother to make 50" plasma's in 720?
because if your viewing distance is 10 ft or more, you won't be able to see any difference between 720p and 1080p. You won't be able to see the full benefit of 1080p until about 7.5 ft or closer.
collinong said: orion19981 said: why do they bother to make 50" plasma's in 720?
because if your viewing distance is 10 ft or more, you won't be able to see any difference between 720p and 1080p. You won't be able to see the full benefit of 1080p until about 7.5 ft or closer.
And even if you are closer than 10 feet, unless you're watching bluray DVDs, it wont matter, because TV that claims to be "1080p" is so pixellated with compression that Id almost rather NOT be able to see all the crappy distortion from a better TV
I had the 50B450 for over 1 year and family was HAPPY with it. Sold it last month hoping to get a 1080p for a good deal. and am now waiting for the LED ones to drop below 1400 range... this seems tempting. Anyone did the comparison with the older model (PN50B450) yet?? seems like USB input and the Touch-of-Color frame is the only difference.
frankki
Member
posted: Feb. 26, 2010 @ 11:22a
I have 3 friends with 1080p TV's non samsung who much prefer watching events on my 720p Samsung. There is little difference to be seen by the naked eye for most content. I'm sure as TV's get even bigger and people run out of viewing distance in their viewing room it will begin being significant, but for now I'll take a good deal on 720p over 1080p any day of the week.
I have an older version of the Samsung 50" 720p plasma and it kicks the crap out of comparable size 1080p LCD's and holds its own against samsung and other brands of 50" 1080p plasma's. In order to make an informed decision on this type of TV, you really need to view it in a darkened room at the proper angle and distance not on the wall at Best Buy or Walfart.
thanks all, i really thought at10-12ft you could really tell a 1080 was better, i watch blu ray, hd dish and games, is the plasma better than a lcd too? now i have a 42" lcd 1080
orion19981 said: why do they bother to make 50" plasma's in 720?
Agreed. 1080P or nothing. All the chatter about distance and seeing the difference? Connect an HTPC and you sure as hell will see the difference. A good HD source will show the difference.
nnvan
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posted: Feb. 26, 2010 @ 12:42p
720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.
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nnvan said: 720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.In this case, Seeing Is Believing with 720p plasma.
If you paid extra for 1080p LCD over 720p plasma, you may want to believe you are seeing something better for TV viewing to justify the extra cost.
Or, you can use the money you save to buy a lot of other stuff.
taf said: nnvan said: 720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.In this case, Seeing Is Believing with 720p plasma.
If you paid extra for 1080p LCD over 720p plasma, you may want to believe you are seeing something better for TV viewing to justify the extra cost.
Or, you can use the money you save to buy a lot of other stuff.
Right and my 2008 BMW 5 series is better than any Toyota because "I want to believe" it is to justify the extra cost.
Nice rationalization, sadly things don't work that way.
LawrenceofArabia said: taf said: nnvan said: 720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.In this case, Seeing Is Believing with 720p plasma.
If you paid extra for 1080p LCD over 720p plasma, you may want to believe you are seeing something better for TV viewing to justify the extra cost.
Or, you can use the money you save to buy a lot of other stuff.
Right and my 2008 BMW 5 series is better than any Toyota because "I want to believe" it is to justify the extra cost.
Nice rationalization, sadly things don't work that way.
Can you site a source to dispute the 720p versus 1080p results at common viewing distances or do you only have car analogies for us?
taf said: LawrenceofArabia said: taf said: nnvan said: 720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.In this case, Seeing Is Believing with 720p plasma.
If you paid extra for 1080p LCD over 720p plasma, you may want to believe you are seeing something better for TV viewing to justify the extra cost.
Or, you can use the money you save to buy a lot of other stuff.
Right and my 2008 BMW 5 series is better than any Toyota because "I want to believe" it is to justify the extra cost.
Nice rationalization, sadly things don't work that way.
Can you site a source to dispute the 720p versus 1080p results at common viewing distances or do you only have car analogies for us?
In your original post you stated that 1080p was only better than 720p because people wanted to justify the extra cost.
Just because you can't afford something that is a little more expensive doesn't mean you have to bash the other item saying it is no different.
If you make such assumptions for items at such price range, I wonder what you would do when it comes to cars. So what are you going to say, a BMW is not better than a Toyota...
LawrenceofArabia said: taf said: LawrenceofArabia said: taf said: nnvan said: 720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.In this case, Seeing Is Believing with 720p plasma.
If you paid extra for 1080p LCD over 720p plasma, you may want to believe you are seeing something better for TV viewing to justify the extra cost.
Or, you can use the money you save to buy a lot of other stuff.
Right and my 2008 BMW 5 series is better than any Toyota because "I want to believe" it is to justify the extra cost.
Nice rationalization, sadly things don't work that way.
Can you site a source to dispute the 720p versus 1080p results at common viewing distances or do you only have car analogies for us?
In your original post you stated that 1080p was only better than 720p because people wanted to justify the extra cost.
Just because you can't afford something that is a little more expensive doesn't mean you have to bash the other item saying it is no different.
If you make such assumptions for items at such price range, I wonder what you would do when it comes to cars. So what are you going to say, a BMW is not better than a Toyota...
It says this:
In our tests, we put 720p (or 768p) sets next to 1080p sets, then feed them both the same source material, whether it's 1080i or 1080p, from the highest-quality Blu-ray player. We typically watch both sets for a while, with eyes darting back and forth between the two, looking for differences in the most-detailed sections, such as hair, textures of fabric, and grassy plains. Bottom line: It's almost always very difficult to see any difference--especially from farther than 8 feet away on a 50-inch TV.
taf said: LawrenceofArabia said: taf said: LawrenceofArabia said: taf said: nnvan said: 720P Plasma has great picture quality. Too bad that many people buy TVs based on specs and not based on their eyes.In this case, Seeing Is Believing with 720p plasma.
If you paid extra for 1080p LCD over 720p plasma, you may want to believe you are seeing something better for TV viewing to justify the extra cost.
Or, you can use the money you save to buy a lot of other stuff.
Right and my 2008 BMW 5 series is better than any Toyota because "I want to believe" it is to justify the extra cost.
Nice rationalization, sadly things don't work that way.
Can you site a source to dispute the 720p versus 1080p results at common viewing distances or do you only have car analogies for us?
In your original post you stated that 1080p was only better than 720p because people wanted to justify the extra cost.
Just because you can't afford something that is a little more expensive doesn't mean you have to bash the other item saying it is no different.
If you make such assumptions for items at such price range, I wonder what you would do when it comes to cars. So what are you going to say, a BMW is not better than a Toyota...
It says this:
In our tests, we put 720p (or 768p) sets next to 1080p sets, then feed them both the same source material, whether it's 1080i or 1080p, from the highest-quality Blu-ray player. We typically watch both sets for a while, with eyes darting back and forth between the two, looking for differences in the most-detailed sections, such as hair, textures of fabric, and grassy plains. Bottom line: It's almost always very difficult to see any difference--especially from farther than 8 feet away on a 50-inch TV.
Wrong again, there are only a limited numbers of situations where a difference isn't noticed. What about situations where there are noticeable difference.
A 1080p can always "work" in the same distances as a 720p but a 720p can't "work" in the same distances as a 1080p.
Boys, please cut this "size does matter" kind of debate. it is a simple thread notifying us all about a particular TV as a good deal. discuss the particular item's merits/demerits compared to similar items. generic 1080/720 debate need not add pages to this.
Amby said: Boys, please cut this "size does matter" kind of debate. it is a simple thread notifying us all about a particular TV as a good deal. discuss the particular item's merits/demerits compared to similar items. generic 1080/720 debate need not add pages to this.
You're not going to convince somebody who's told 1080p is the best that 720p is good enough with any real world or lab test. The average consumer out there don't even know what 1080p really means, they just know that's the best (for now). So many of my friends repeat the line "240hz and 120hz are better for watching sports" but aren't actually able to tell the difference from a 60hz. When my brother asked if the TV he got was 1080p I told him yes just so I wouldn't have to hear him complain that he'd wish it was 1080p; he doesn't realize 1080i is just upconverted 720p and that his laptop (1280x720) with hulu (320p low, 480p high) won't benefit from it.
In two years the same people who say 720p isn't good enough are going to be the same people who say 1080 is crap compared to 3d and 4k screens and we'll have to hear the same stupid "debate".
If somebody wants to spend their extra money on 1080, let them. So stop feeding the trolls.
frankki
Member
posted: Feb. 27, 2010 @ 1:01p
I like the BMW vs Toyota analogy. I think that argument is subjective on many levels. I work with many doctors who have the option of buying any vehicle. You would be surprised at how many of them go through their BMW phase only to realize that a Toyota will get them from A to B just the same for half the price.
PS Although Toyota may be their daily driver and family vehicle, they still keep the BMW in the garage for special occasions.
Does anyone know when this is supposed to ship? My brothers man cave is almost finished and needs this in about 2-3 weeks
sfarr
Addicted Member
posted: Feb. 28, 2010 @ 3:04p
And even if you are closer than 10 feet, unless you're watching bluray DVDs, it wont matter, because TV that claims to be "1080p" is so pixellated with compression that Id almost rather NOT be able to see all the crappy distortion from a better TV
Time to get FIOS, my friend.
sfarr
Addicted Member
posted: Feb. 28, 2010 @ 3:06p
bruin14 said: Trolls would have been better. ...he doesn't realize 1080i is just upconverted 720p
sfarr said: bruin14 said: Trolls would have been better. ...he doesn't realize 1080i is just upconverted 720p
Ummm... wrong.
You did take it out of context. I agree that the statement you quoted is wrong. However, consider the rest...
bruin14 said: he doesn't realize 1080i is just upconverted 720p and that his laptop (1280x720) with hulu (320p low, 480p high) won't benefit from it
For the case of a laptop that only supports 720p, connecting it to a 1080i TV is making the TV upconvert (and deinterlace) the video. If there is a use case where the main source of video is indeed 720p, I would argue that a 720p TV is the best TV for that use case.
In a somewhat related analogy... if you had a PC with a graphics card that could do 1920x1080 max, would you connect it to a native 1920x1200 native resolution monitor?
I am surprised we are still having 720p vs <whatever> debates at this point. Buy a good quality TV, regardless of the resolution. As an owner of a 720p 47" plasma, a 65" 1080i rear projection, and a 1080p projector running on a 106" screen, resolution has been the LEAST important factor. I consider myself a pretty discerning customer, and I cannot see the difference, even at 106" and with BluRay, which I have had to drop the player down to 480p before I could see a loss in resolution (Yes I know my 720p/1080i content is up-converted, but still). This is a great price for a great panel.
DasBoot
Greedy Member
posted: Mar. 3, 2010 @ 12:11p
It seems like this is comparable to the Sharp 47" that Dell has on sale. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/991178/
Is it worth giving up 3 inches of screen, for 1080p and 120hz?
boli
Broke Member
posted: Mar. 4, 2010 @ 10:13a
Are there any better deals right now for a plasma thats low in price like this one?I already have a dlp and was looking for a plasma. Just trying to save some money... thanks in advance...
Bubbaleroy said: My TV will be here tomorrow, will update later on the picture quality. Bing CashBack has been posted to my account. I'm impressed with B&H so far.
Dont forget to break-in your plasma . Recommended 200+hrs . Samsung article
I actually did my Samsung tv for 300 hrs and Ive had no problems with any image retention what so ever (not even a small hint of retention) .
Btw , I think you'll really luv the PQ from your Samsung .
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cazattack
Member
posted: Jun. 30, 2010 @ 9:29a
Does anyone who owns this tv know how the usb input works? are you able to watch VIDEO files from USB?
I was originally interesed in the pn50c550, which has "connectshare movie" and allows you to play videos from usb or external HDD. This is a huge huge plus for me, as i dont have any 1080p content to play, dont buy dvds, dont have a bluray player, I download all of my content (ahem... legally) and have had my macbook connected to my current tv. while im sure i could set up my macbook to either tv, then i cant surf the interwebz while im watching movies.
also a lot of the deals i see on here are from people outside of NJ, I'm in NJ (therefore many lower priced places will charge me ridiculous tax) anyone have suggestions for no tax in nj places to purchase this tv? any amount of $ i can save is great, hence why im considering downgrading from the pn50c550 to the 450.
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