Centerfire said: ... We bought enough to be able to sell them at a great price, same as the FPK/PSL/ROMAK3s. Nothing wrong with these unless you count the furniture. Nodakspud receivers, U.S. made chrome lined barrels, removable compensator, all the good stuff. They came in yesterday , and at the current rate they'll be sold out by the end of the day. Web orders don't go into the live order system immediately, so if you want one, you're better off calling. Thanks, Magnus
1. For target shooting 2. For hunting 3. For self defense 4. As a collectible (yes people collect guns - just like stamps, baseball cards, coins, etc.)
People hunt with AK-74s? For what? Humans? I'll buy the other three possibilities though.
Yes, you can hunt with an AK, be it a 74, or 47. For years I hunted deer with a lever action 30-30, then after a change in magazine restrictions in my state, I came to realize that the 7.62X39 is very similar to .30-30 as far as ballistics go. Since then I have taken several deer with AK47 pattern rifles. The AK74 pattern rifles are technically 22 caliber rifles, and can be used for a long list of small game that regulations call for a 22 caliber rifle to be used, and don't restrict them to rimfire.
Of course it might be easier to make assumptions based on what you have seen on TV than to actually learn something about a subject. Guns are tools, no more no less, there is nothing about an AK rifle that makes it inherently more dangerous than you average claw hammer, and as a matter of fact I bet if you check the records you will find more people are killed in the US each year by claw hammers than AK pattern rifles. Wouldn't you laugh at a person who tried to argue that a claw hammer was a inherently more dangerous tool than a ball pein hammer?
The Federal Firearms License requirement means that the rifle must be shipped to a dealer in your state, who will have you fill out the federal form 4473, complete the required background check is performed before you take the rifle, and also ensure that you comply with any other state laws for your state. This is called a transfer, the rifle is shipped to a dealer near you, and that dealer then transfers the rifle to you once all legal requirements have been taken care of. The local dealer will charge you a small fee for this service, usually $20-50.
Actually, my point was that this isn't a great "tool" to hunt with. Also a few posts have discussed fully automatic guns in this thread. Again, silly to hunt with unless you want to pick all that crap out of your meat. I'm not trying to make a political statement here...I am just saying that this gun would be far from my first choice when hunting. Thanks for jumping to conclusions though.
Comical as some of these comments are that are coming through, we are no longer allowing any off topic discussion in this thread.
Indianamiester
Member
posted: Mar. 6, 2010 @ 8:12a
I will bet that you have never actually been hunting. We have non-indigenous wild hogs in this area that have taken over. Some are over 300 lbs. What would be your first choice for hunting them? An AK variant is the perfect weapon for hunting wild hogs. Just like every tool, it is suited to a particular use. It can be used for other uses, but there is almost always one use that it is perfect for. By the way, people don't always hunt for meat. I mean, I have not seen many people eat coyotes or skunks although I know several people who have eaten ground hogs they have killed.
AK-47 was originally designed in 1947 and has a caliber of 7.62 X 39mm. AK-74 was originally designed in 1974 and has a caliber of 5.45 X 39mm. Both are gas-operated, automatic weapons with a rate of fire of 600 to 650 rounds per minute. But the civilian versions sold in this country are semi-automatic (as is this rifle) which means that only one round is fired each time you pull the trigger. Some states allow hunting with semi-automatic rifles and some only allow bolt action type rifles to be used.
Topspin14m said: Actually, my point was that this isn't a great "tool" to hunt with. Also a few posts have discussed fully automatic guns in this thread. Again, silly to hunt with unless you want to pick all that crap out of your meat. I'm not trying to make a political statement here...I am just saying that this gun would be far from my first choice when hunting. Thanks for jumping to conclusions though.
This rifle is no more capable of firing in full automatic mode than your trusty Remington 700 bolt rifle, this is a semi automatic rifle built for the sporting market not the Military market. If it were capable of full auto fire it would be considered a machine gun under the National Firearms Act of 1934, which considers any firearm which fires more than a single shot with a single pull of the trigger to be a machine gun (double barrel shotguns were specifically excluded from this definition, as that definition would have made millions of existing shotguns illegal to own without paying for a very expensive tax stamp). It has been illegal to import any Military firearm into the United States since passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. In 1986, with no debate whatsoever, a rider was added to an otherwise pro gun bill that banned the issuance of tax stamps for any new machine guns produced in the united states, thus ending the ability to manufacture, buy, or sell any weapon that would fit the definition of a machine gun by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Any attempt to convert an otherwise legal firearm to fire more than one bullet with a single pull of the trigger is illegal, and punishable by ten years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine. There are no new legal machine guns being made for sale to civilians in the US, none. The only machine guns that can be purchased today by a civilian in the US are firearms that had been issued a tax stamp prior to May 6, 1986, and have all paperwork has been maintained and all transfers have been reported and filed with the BATFE, and new tax stamps issued. These weapons are very expensive today. An M16 rifle fetches well over $16,000, a registered Full Auto AK 47 rifle often sells for just as much , as far as AK74 machine guns, there were only a handful imported and registered (the ban was enacted during the cold war, Warsaw Pact countries weren't real hot to sell firearms to the US in those days), when a true AK74 turns up for sale bidding typically starts in the same price range as a new Corvette.
As for not being a good choice for hunting, you are free to have your opinion, and at one time I would have agreed with you. I grew up hunting in the swamps and scrubland in Southern Ga, I spent decades walking through the bush handling my trusty Marlin .30-30 with kid gloves, and getting all kinds of annoyed when the Walnut Stock on my 700 would get dinged on the door of the truck, or scratched by a rock when I dropped it in the woods. With an AK I get a rifle that is perfectly capable of taking game humanely, is plenty accurate for the distances I typically hunt at here, and is inexpensive and rugged enough that I just don't have to worry about it getting scraped, dropped, or wet. The Kalashnikov action is not only simple and robust, it is easy to clean and repair if needed, the same can't be said about a "quality" lever action carbine, and optics can be added or removed without the annoyance of re-zeroing every time the way I have to after cleaning my bolt guns, the side rail on the AK allows me to remove and replace the optics for cleaning or storage without changing the point of impact, these features make the AK patter rifles great hunting rifles. No, I wouldn't want to use one for hunting Elk or Caribou, but there is no game in Georgia that a 7.62X39 soft point won't handle with ease, and if I go out of state to hunt larger game I will probably take my 300 Win Mag that has been sitting in the safe unused for years.
spdracer5g said: Topspin14m said: Actually, my point was that this isn't a great "tool" to hunt with. Also a few posts have discussed fully automatic guns in this thread. Again, silly to hunt with unless you want to pick all that crap out of your meat. I'm not trying to make a political statement here...I am just saying that this gun would be far from my first choice when hunting. Thanks for jumping to conclusions though.
This rifle is no more capable of firing in full automatic mode than your trusty Remington 700 bolt rifle, this is a semi automatic rifle built for the sporting market not the Military market. If it were capable of full auto fire it would be considered a machine gun under the National Firearms Act of 1934, which considers any firearm which fires more than a single shot with a single pull of the trigger to be a machine gun (double barrel shotguns were specifically excluded from this definition, as that definition would have made millions of existing shotguns illegal to own without paying for a very expensive tax stamp). It has been illegal to import any Military firearm into the United States since passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. In 1986, with no debate whatsoever, a rider was added to an otherwise pro gun bill that banned the issuance of tax stamps for any new machine guns produced in the united states, thus ending the ability to manufacture, buy, or sell any weapon that would fit the definition of a machine gun by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Any attempt to convert an otherwise legal firearm to fire more than one bullet with a single pull of the trigger is illegal, and punishable by ten years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine. There are no new legal machine guns being made for sale to civilians in the US, none. The only machine guns that can be purchased today by a civilian in the US are firearms that had been issued a tax stamp prior to May 6, 1986, and have all paperwork has been maintained and all transfers have been reported and filed with the BATFE, and new tax stamps issued. These weapons are very expensive today. An M16 rifle fetches well over $16,000, a registered Full Auto AK 47 rifle often sells for just as much , as far as AK74 machine guns, there were only a handful imported and registered (the ban was enacted during the cold war, Warsaw Pact countries weren't real hot to sell firearms to the US in those days), when a true AK74 turns up for sale bidding typically starts in the same price range as a new Corvette.
As for not being a good choice for hunting, you are free to have your opinion, and at one time I would have agreed with you. I grew up hunting in the swamps and scrubland in Southern Ga, I spent decades walking through the bush handling my trusty Marlin .30-30 with kid gloves, and getting all kinds of annoyed when the Walnut Stock on my 700 would get dinged on the door of the truck, or scratched by a rock when I dropped it in the woods. With an AK I get a rifle that is perfectly capable of taking game humanely, is plenty accurate for the distances I typically hunt at here, and is inexpensive and rugged enough that I just don't have to worry about it getting scraped, dropped, or wet. The Kalashnikov action is not only simple and robust, it is easy to clean and repair if needed, the same can't be said about a "quality" lever action carbine, and optics can be added or removed without the annoyance of re-zeroing every time the way I have to after cleaning my bolt guns, the side rail on the AK allows me to remove and replace the optics for cleaning or storage without changing the point of impact, these features make the AK patter rifles great hunting rifles. No, I wouldn't want to use one for hunting Elk or Caribou, but there is no game in Georgia that a 7.62X39 soft point won't handle with ease, and if I go out of state to hunt larger game I will probably take my 300 Win Mag that has been sitting in the safe unused for years.
Good information, but the start of your post misreads what I said. My quote: "A few posts have discussed fully automatic guns in this thread." I was talking about posts referring to modifying the rifle to make it fully automatic/discussing where to buy a fully automatic version. These posts seem to have been deleted.
thanks for the info the AK 74 is probably more suited to target shooting fun then the AK47 and I'm not yet worried about the end of the world stuff, have to find out if you can own these in western NY.........
leonowski
Shopaholic Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 12:55a
Cluster said: whats the difference between an AK 74 and a AK 47? I assume these are semi auto rifles.............
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Chatterbot
Member
posted: Mar. 10, 2010 @ 10:22p
I've heard that the barrels may or may not be chromed. In general, chrome lined barrels are considered to be superior for an AK, since they reduce the corrosive effect of surplus ammo.
Cluster said: whats the difference between an AK 74 and a AK 47? I assume these are semi auto rifles.............
Just a pet peeve, but the AK-47 isn't even the predominant design -- the AKM is, which was produced starting in 1959. I'll be buying an AK variant when I get back from my government-sponsored Middle East trip.
What about cost of ammo for a 74 vs 47? I found this interesting as well http://www.differencebetween.net/object/difference-between-paintball-gun-and-ak47/
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