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The Unemployment numbers today were pretty good. What does that mean for the election.

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I hate robo callers

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Vote Robot Nixon.

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Thanks for this. Now let the (civilized) fun begin!

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For the first time I am torn on an election. In the long run the Country and me personally would do better if a Republican wins, but in the short term abusing/profiting from a socialist Obama administration would be fun.

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Vote for the OP of this thread

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^^^ so says the staff with the custom title "Troll"

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Well, if the shoe fits!

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I'm voting for the incumbent, but may vote republican to get the biggest flip flopper in there.

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kamalktk said:   Vote Robot Nixon.

But he'll sell our children to zoos for meat!

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OHHHHHH! <whew> Sooo glad Herman Cain was pushed out!

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HumDoHamaraDo said:   The Unemployment numbers today were pretty good. What does that mean for the election.

nothing. seasonal workers, it'll go back up. we need good jobs, not 2 or 3 month only min wage jobs.

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FrugalFreak said:   I'm voting for the incumbent, but may vote republican to get the biggest flip flopper in there.
For Romney to win and get things done in MA he had to flip flop, it's all part of politics and he does it well. I don't like Obabamacare, even though in 2014 I would get back over $10k and by the time I'm 65 would be getting checks for $20k from Government. But after living with Romneycare for a few years I find it a good reasonable compromise type plan. Hopefully soon the rest of the party will just realize he is the only one who can defeat Obama. It can't be done without the middle and Romney can get them and the unhappy Democrats. Also look for Romney to pick Christie as his V.P, should make for a very strong ticket. Christie has already done a great job working with the Dem controlled Senate/House in NJ, That is what we need for the Country

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fasttimes said:   I hate robo callers

I wish I had a super obvious LIKE button! (I know, I know, green)

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I think the Republican party will have to do some tap-dancing to get a candidate ready to run against the incumbent...and by this, they need to find a moderate Republican.

I doubt a straight-line Republican will be an easy sell this election.

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FrugalFreak said:   HumDoHamaraDo said:   The Unemployment numbers today were pretty good. What does that mean for the election.

nothing. seasonal workers, it'll go back up. we need good jobs, not 2 or 3 month only min wage jobs.

Also those numbers do not include the number of people who have given up for now in looking for a job. Also not included is the large number of underemployed

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RS4Rings said:   FrugalFreak said:   I'm voting for the incumbent, but may vote republican to get the biggest flip flopper in there.
For Romney to win and get things done in MA he had to flip flop, it's all part of politics and he does it well. I don't like Obabamacare, even though in 2014 I would get back over $10k and by the time I'm 65 would be getting checks for $20k from Government. But after living with Romneycare for a few years I find it a good reasonable compromise type plan. Hopefully soon the rest of the party will just realize he is the only one who can defeat Obama. It can't be done without the middle and Romney can get them and the unhappy Democrats. Also look for Romney to pick Christie as his V.P, should make for a very strong ticket. Christie has already done a great job working with the Dem controlled Senate/House in NJ, That is what we need for the Country


But HOW is he ahead in a nation that is SO opposed to single payer healthcare and were up in arms about it and then vote for the very man that supports it?

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The economy has had me scared enough that I refuse to cut my hours anywhere for fear that I will need all the hours I can get just to get by soon.

<---is tired of 60 hour weeks.

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mewhojen said:   I think the Republican party will have to do some tap-dancing to get a candidate ready to run against the incumbent...and by this, they need to find a moderate Republican.

I doubt a straight-line Republican will be an easy sell this election.

And the only one that fits that bill is Romney, While being pretty much a fiscal conservative (which most of the Country does want) he is not a true social issue conservative. The fact he did a healthcare plan that gave Planned Parenthood a seat the table shows that

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RS4Rings said:   
For Romney to win and get things done in MA he had to flip flop, it's all part of politics and he does it well. I don't like Obabamacare, even though in 2014 I would get back over $10k and by the time I'm 65 would be getting checks for $20k from Government. But after living with Romneycare for a few years I find it a good reasonable compromise type plan.


I have much less of a problem with a state-level government health care plan than a national one. States being the laboratory of democracy and all, plus if you don't like it it's a lot easier to move to a different state.

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RS4Rings said:   FrugalFreak said:   I'm voting for the incumbent, but may vote republican to get the biggest flip flopper in there.
For Romney to win and get things done in MA he had to flip flop, it's all part of politics and he does it well. I don't like Obabamacare, even though in 2014 I would get back over $10k and by the time I'm 65 would be getting checks for $20k from Government. But after living with Romneycare for a few years I find it a good reasonable compromise type plan. Hopefully soon the rest of the party will just realize he is the only one who can defeat Obama. It can't be done without the middle and Romney can get them and the unhappy Democrats. Also look for Romney to pick Christie as his V.P, should make for a very strong ticket. Christie has already done a great job working with the Dem controlled Senate/House in NJ, That is what we need for the Country


If he is picking Christie, I may vote Newt then. Newt is pretty flippy.

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Hate to say it.. but I havent heard much complaints about Christie... which means he's going a good job here in NJ.
Romney/Christie would be interesting indeed.

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FrugalFreak said:   RS4Rings said:   FrugalFreak said:   I'm voting for the incumbent, but may vote republican to get the biggest flip flopper in there.
For Romney to win and get things done in MA he had to flip flop, it's all part of politics and he does it well. I don't like Obabamacare, even though in 2014 I would get back over $10k and by the time I'm 65 would be getting checks for $20k from Government. But after living with Romneycare for a few years I find it a good reasonable compromise type plan. Hopefully soon the rest of the party will just realize he is the only one who can defeat Obama. It can't be done without the middle and Romney can get them and the unhappy Democrats. Also look for Romney to pick Christie as his V.P, should make for a very strong ticket. Christie has already done a great job working with the Dem controlled Senate/House in NJ, That is what we need for the Country


But HOW is he ahead in a nation that is SO opposed to single payer healthcare and were up in arms about it and then vote for the very man that supports it?

He does not support a single payer system and it's not in his MA Romneycare, Which I can't abuse the way I will be able to with Obamacare. The fact part of me does want Obama to win should worry you.

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FrugalFreak said:   HumDoHamaraDo said:   The Unemployment numbers today were pretty good. What does that mean for the election.

nothing. seasonal workers, it'll go back up. we need good jobs, not 2 or 3 month only min wage jobs.

You know they are seasonally adjusted, right? The same agencies are using the same methods to come up with these numbers, not new methods being used by this administration.

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RS4Rings said:    Christie has already done a great job working with the Dem controlled Senate/House in NJ, That is what we need for the Country I want congress to stop doing anything, except maybe undo much of the stuff they have done. Less regulation, smaller government, STOP SPENDING! I saw an AP article the other day that demonized some budget cuts that would result in government workers losing their jobs. Oh no!

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Stop spending where, the biggest expenses are:
social security, medicare, medicaid, debt interest & defence.

take you pick.

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I am announcing today that I'm not running for President.

I've decided to announce this here first, on OT. This allows for the most efficient way to publicize my announcement to all my loyal followers and the world. All those other big news organizations, like CNN, Fox News, CBS News, etc., can only dream that they would ever get scoops like this first. You are free to vote for someone else.

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HumDoHamaraDo said:   Stop spending where, the biggest expenses are:
social security, medicare, medicaid, debt interest & defence.

take you pick.
The first three, please. Obama has incurred more debt than all previous administrations. How did we get along before?

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it would help if the fatcats in office would get off the charity of lifetime payments for screwing the populus. I mean, if they had to return to working for a living, maybe they'd do stuff to benefit their resume. I WOULD'T want many of them as my back-up at work.

Eta: GED is minimum requirement for a psych tech

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Kandykornhead said:   RS4Rings said:    Christie has already done a great job working with the Dem controlled Senate/House in NJ, That is what we need for the Country I want congress to stop doing anything, except maybe undo much of the stuff they have done. Less regulation, smaller government, STOP SPENDING! I saw an AP article the other day that demonized some budget cuts that would result in government workers losing their jobs. Oh no!

PJ O'Rourke used to joke that people would complain about the hydrogen reserve as one of the stupid things government does, but that at least they were doing something minor and inconsequential than something bigger, more expensive, and more destructive.

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burgerwars said:   I am announcing today that I'm not running for President.


So there will not be a burger in every pot?

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Does Michelle Bachmann get to keep the unused campaign money?

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HumDoHamaraDo said:   Stop spending where, the biggest expenses are:
social security, medicare, medicaid, debt interest & defence.

take you pick.


Or how about pay the money back into the SS trust and then make it hands off. make it strong again. we don't need social security based on the whims of wall street by privatizing it. To give some choice would further destabilize it as a whole. but some want that of course.

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puppets voting for puppets... cant wait for the movie!!

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Kandykornhead said:   HumDoHamaraDo said:   Stop spending where, the biggest expenses are:
social security, medicare, medicaid, debt interest & defence.

take you pick.
The first three, please. Obama has incurred more debt than all previous administrations. How did we get along before?

I want a GOP candidate to say he will cut the 1st three, see how unelectable he becomes.

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I think we need a cyborg president.

Lead without emotion. Cannot be swayed by the special interests. Cannot be bought or sold. Systematically weighs everything and makes decisions accordingly. No race... no religion... no sexuality.

Cyborg for President!!!

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HumDoHamaraDo said:   Kandykornhead said:   HumDoHamaraDo said:   Stop spending where, the biggest expenses are:
social security, medicare, medicaid, debt interest & defence.

take you pick.
The first three, please. Obama has incurred more debt than all previous administrations. How did we get along before?

I want a GOP candidate to say he will cut the 1st three, see how unelectable he becomes.


That would be Paul Ryan.

Ryan not rand.

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FrugalFreak said:   HumDoHamaraDo said:   Stop spending where, the biggest expenses are:
social security, medicare, medicaid, debt interest & defence.

take you pick.


Or how about pay the money back into the SS trust and then make it hands off. make it strong again. we don't need social security based on the whims of wall street by privatizing it. To give some choice would further destabilize it as a whole. but some want that of course.

And we should also not extended the payroll tax break next month, that is robbing SS of much needed money. So you don't mind making $20 or so less a week I hope.

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bighitter said:   Hillary has always been nothing more than a political opportunist.   
If that had been the case, Hillarycare would have become a reality in the 1990s, but instead it died because all the honest details about it were laid out ahead of time.  An opportunist would have remained vague about it and not even propose any specifics until Congress started debate and revealed its own proposals.  So your criticism is nothing but an generic kneejerk reaction from a troublemaker.

You are right -- my term “opportunist” was kneejerk and far too kind; instead I should have used the more accurate description – "grifter" – to describe the Clintons.

 Hamilton Jordan, White House chief of staff in the Carter Administration, in his book “No Such Thing as a Bad Day” accurately described the Clintons  as follows:

 “The Clintons are not a couple but a business partnership, not based on love or even greed but on shared ambitions. The Clintons' only loyalty is to their own ambitions. … When one considers pardons for political friends and donors, gifts to the White House taken by the Clintons for their personal use, and the attempt to lease extravagant penthouse offices for the former president with taxpayer money, a better word comes to mind: grifters. Grifters was a term used in the Great Depression to describe fast-talking con artists who roamed the countryside, profiting at the expense of the poor and the uneducated, always one step ahead of the law, moving on before they were held accountable for their schemes and half-truths.”

If I can find time in the next day or two, I’ll post other comments from other prominent Democrats who knew the Clintons very well.   My goal isn’t to make trouble for you (or turn you into a pretzel trying to defend Hillary, like you tried to do above)….  I'm just attempting to improve your memory.  

If that's what you think of Hillary, you must really, really hate GW Bush, JEB Bush, Donald Trump, Rand Paul, Donald Trump, Mike Huckabee, and every other Republican candidate except Chris Christie (the most Hillary-like Republican running).

Don't bother cherry picking sources like a lawyer or salesman would but instead give an overall picture of each candidate, both those you like and don't like.

What in the world  makes you think Chris Christie is anything like Hillary?  

At this point, I am still evaluating who I would be willing to vote for.  If it came down to the only 2 choices were Hillary or Trump,  I would  hold my nose and vote for Trump.

Why are there so few choices on the Democrat's  side of candidates?

Hillary Clinton and Chris Christie may be the same in how they treat their political enemies.  

Seriously, someone like Trump, who's never served in high office (appointed or elected), should never become President because it's just too risky to put such an untested, inexperienced person into the most important job in the world*, especially one who's demonstrated so much immaturity and is an outright huckster (Trump neckties, Trump steaks, Trump mattresses, Trump University).  It's not inconceivable he'll use the presidency for personal gain, and I don't just mean higher prices for post-presidency speeches; I'm worried about another Italy's Silvio Berlusconi situation.  And don't assume that just because Trump runs a large corporation that he's qualified to run the economy because the track records of business people as President haven't been good in that respect, either, maybe because they're autocrats and think they can just issue orders and not have to negotiate every little detail, as is the case with politics.



 

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