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ZenNUTS said:   
ganda said:    Presumably had he made the same comment about Rosie O'Donnell (or Hillary Clinton) it would have been greeted with guffaws and yeehaws from the GOPTea faithful, but insult Saint Megyn of the Lipgloss... and you get docked a few points.
  You are seriously defending Rosie?  Maybe you should vote for her.

  In regards to entertainment value, her act is much better than Donald's, which consists of little more than, "I'm rich.  You're stupid.  You're ugly."  *yawn*

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It is beginning to look like the Clinton's formidable political machine might have some difficulty snuffing out Bernie.   Hopefully he will be allowed to speak at future events without being shouted down again like he was in Seattle by George Soros-funded group, Black Lives Matter.

 Per today's Boston Herald: 

"Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has rocketed past longtime front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a stunning turn in a race once considered a lock for the former secretary of state, a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll shows.  Sanders leads Clinton 44-37 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, the first time the heavily favored Clinton has trailed in the 2016 primary campaign, according to the poll of 442 Granite-Staters."

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larrymoencurly said:   
ZenNUTS said:   
ganda said:    Presumably had he made the same comment about Rosie O'Donnell (or Hillary Clinton) it would have been greeted with guffaws and yeehaws from the GOPTea faithful, but insult Saint Megyn of the Lipgloss... and you get docked a few points.
  You are seriously defending Rosie?  Maybe you should vote for her.

  In regards to entertainment value, her act is much better than Donald's, which consists of little more than, "I'm rich.  You're stupid.  You're ugly."  *yawn*

"I'm rich.  You're stupid.  You're ugly."  You forgot to add Trump's additional line:  "You're fat."

I've often wondered whether Trump suffers from a strain of Turette's Syndrome or merely a penchant to blurt out the truth.  Regardless of the reason,  I wouldn't vote for him.

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So I started flowing bernie on Facebook a few weeks back. I'm convinced he just doesn't have a clue. It's half bitching about Republicans, half platitudes with logic holes you could drive a country through. Not sure I should have expected different from an old white liberal.

Still better than Hillary. I still like trump better

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scrouds said:   So I started flowing bernie on Facebook a few weeks back. I'm convinced he just doesn't have a clue. It's half bitching about Republicans, half platitudes with logic holes you could drive a country through. Not sure I should have expected different from an old white liberal.

Still better than Hillary. I still like trump better

Apparently the establishment powers within the Democratic party are getting increasing concerned that Hillary's popularity is eroding due to the email server issues, FBI investigation, etc.  Bernie's growing crowds/popularity is scaring the crap out of them.  Today there is a front page article in the /wall street journal reporting that Biden is actively soliciting support from his circle of influential Dems for a run against Hillary.  James Smith, an influential Democratic South Carolina legislator, is quoted and is  urging Biden to run.  

For damage control, Hillary has finally agreed to turn over her server.  She made a serious tactical error thinking the attorney general and media would help it  blow over like the Clinton's past escapades.  She should have turned it over immediately because now everyone believes the server has been thoroughly sanitized by her allies.

Flipping through the channels on the radio driving home, I heard Al Gore is considering throwing his hat into the ring.  I don't know if the source of the Gore story was credible, though.

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Gore rumblings?

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bighitter said:   
scrouds said:   So I started flowing bernie on Facebook a few weeks back. I'm convinced he just doesn't have a clue. It's half bitching about Republicans, half platitudes with logic holes you could drive a country through. Not sure I should have expected different from an old white liberal.

Still better than Hillary. I still like trump better

Apparently the establishment powers within the Democratic party are getting increasing concerned that Hillary's popularity is eroding due to the email server issues, FBI investigation, etc.  Bernie's growing crowds/popularity is scaring the crap out of them.  Today there is a front page article in the /wall street journal reporting that Biden is actively soliciting support from his circle of influential Dems for a run against Hillary.  James Smith, an influential Democratic South Carolina legislator, is quoted and is  urging Biden to run.  

For damage control, Hillary has finally agreed to turn over her server.  She made a serious tactical error thinking the attorney general and media would help it  blow over like the Clinton's past escapades.  She should have turned it over immediately because now everyone believes the server has been thoroughly sanitized by her allies.

Flipping through the channels on the radio driving home, I heard Al Gore is considering throwing his hat into the ring.  I don't know if the source of the Gore story was credible, though.

  Correction:   Hillary's decision to turn over her server wasn't something she did voluntarily,  as I originally thought and incorrectly implied in my post above.

:"A federal judge on Monday scheduled a hearing for later this week to discuss whether the State Department has ensured the retrieval of all official records Clinton, the former secretary of state, and her top aides held on personal email accounts or devices. This came after a lawyer for the technology firm that maintained Clinton’s private server after she left office held out the prospect that at least some of the data is likely preserved on a backup server.New figures emerged in a court filing about the number of potentially classified messages held in Clinton’s private account, now up to 305."   Entire Politico article can be read: here 
 


 

 

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KayK said:   Gore rumblings?
 

  Doubt it, unless Hillary sinks more.

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When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

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scrouds said:   So I started flowing bernie on Facebook a few weeks back. I'm convinced he just doesn't have a clue. It's half bitching about Republicans, half platitudes with logic holes you could drive a country through. Not sure I should have expected different from an old white liberal.

 

  Bernie may be a socialist, but he is still a politician.  Half bitching about the other party, half platitudes with logic holes you could drive a country through is pretty much the cornerstone stump speech of 99% of the politicians out there (on both sides)

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scrouds said:   
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. 

 

But when Arizona governor Janet Napolitano tried to stop illegals with a system of mild fines and short term suspension of business licenses, the corporate community here threw fits and got the measures effectively revoked.  Napolitano was elected to the office with no big donors, only small contributions and public funding under the AZ Clean Elections law that was later struck down by the US Supreme Court because it violated the FREEDOM!® of billionaire donors.

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Freedom of speech is a hell of a thing. Let's look at that logically for a moment.

Any real restriction on speech is going to have to take one of 2 paths. Either a constitutional amendment or a wholesale repeal of the idea that corporations are entitled to the same rights as natural persons.

The first one is going to have a hell of a battle, because of both the entrenched politicians and the bulk of freedom loving people. That the liberals are pushing against freedoms is pretty terrible but hey, they have good power now, time to solidify it like hitler did after gaining power.

The second option is much more preferable to me, but let's be real, corporations will give money to people and people will do the same thing. Look at how Disney has their own governor structured. A few high ranking executives of Disney world are the sole people that occupy the reedy Creek improvement district. They elect the governing authority that rules over the resort.

So now we're back to trying to pass an amendment that restricts freedom. Didn't work last time we got our alcohol back.

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larrymoencurly said:   
scrouds said:   
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. 

 

But when Arizona governor Janet Napolitano tried to stop illegals with a system of mild fines
 

  
Mild fines? We need field mines! - D. Trump

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For those who are still handicapping Hillary’s chances of winning a national election, there is an interesting commentary in the WSJ written by  Mr. Mukasey,  a U.S. attorney general (2007-09) and  a U.S. district judge for the Southern District of New York (1988-2006),  He weighs in on Hillary’s potential criminal prosecution for her email erasure here

ETA:  My link apparently requires a paid subscription to the wall street journal.  Sorry.  Perhaps someone here can show us how to  provide a source of public access to the WSJ article..  

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I would guess most of you have already seen Hillary's attempt at humor regarding her emails.  Here is a video on Youtube for those who missed it:  youtube

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scrouds said:   Freedom of speech is a hell of a thing. Let's look at that logically for a moment.

Any real restriction on speech is going to have to take one of 2 paths. Either a constitutional amendment or a wholesale repeal of the idea that corporations are entitled to the same rights as natural persons.

The first one is going to have a hell of a battle, because of both the entrenched politicians and the bulk of freedom loving people. That the liberals are pushing against freedoms is pretty terrible but hey, they have good power now, time to solidify it like hitler did after gaining power.

The second option is much more preferable to me, but let's be real, corporations will give money to people and people will do the same thing. Look at how Disney has their own governor structured. A few high ranking executives of Disney world are the sole people that occupy the reedy Creek improvement district. They elect the governing authority that rules over the resort.

So now we're back to trying to pass an amendment that restricts freedom. Didn't work last time we got our alcohol back.

Or just replace one of the bad Supreme Court justices.  In both cases about free speech being money, the rulings were 5-4 the wrong way.  OTOH the court ruled that nude dancing was not protected speech, and you know in the case of your Airport Strip Club vs. Mudslide County. 

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Oh believe me I fully understand how tenuous the supreme Court situation is. In so many cases of freedom vs government, there have been many close calls, and we really are at risk of having a tyranny of the judiciate over the rights and freedoms of people with as little as one change in the court.

Having a large amount of freedom is jot normal to the human condition, the base state of humans are to control or be controlled. This great experiment of government demands that the natural influences that have people seek to control others to be kept in check.

And in the end, the last front is the supreme Court. It would be terrible to lose the court to the forces of tyrannical control.

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We should all be supporting Deez Nuts!

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kamalktk said:   We should all be supporting Deez Nuts
  Yes?

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kamalktk said:   We should all be supporting Deez Nuts
Deez nuts has certainly erupted onto the political scene. I am stiff with anticipation of his next move.

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JorgeBurrito said:   
kamalktk said:   We should all be supporting Deez Nuts
Deez nuts has certainly erupted into the political scene. I am stiff with anticipation of his next move.

  my vote is for Limberbutt McCubbins

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bighitter said:   For those who are still handicapping Hillary’s chances of winning a national election, there is an interesting commentary in the WSJ written by  Mr. Mukasey,  a U.S. attorney general (2007-09) and  a U.S. district judge for the Southern District of New York (1988-2006),  He weighs in on Hillary’s potential criminal prosecution for her email erasure here 

ETA:  My link apparently requires a paid subscription to the wall street journal.  Sorry.  Perhaps someone here can show us how to  provide a source of public access to the WSJ article..  

  You can do a google search of the link and click on the first link that comes up.

Hillary at the very least is guilty of some very poor judgement.  Something that should and will be repeatedly used against her if she ends up the Democratic nominee.  If she is guilty of more than that it is better for our entire nation if it comes out now as opposed to later.  I am glad to hear potential breaches in classified information is being actively investigated and the server was turned over to the FBI.  I for one am ready to welcome Biden into the Dem clown car and look forward to his signature legislation of a Trans Am in every garage.

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scrouds said:   the last front is the supreme Court. It would be terrible to lose the court to the forces of tyrannical control.
  We already have

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larrymoencurly said:   scrouds said:   the last front is the supreme Court. It would be terrible to lose the court to the forces of tyrannical control.
  We already have

Sorry buddy you're going to have to live with gay marriage

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I would welcome Biden too, I do actually like the guy and he's entertaining for sure.

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scrouds said:   
larrymoencurly said:   
scrouds said:   the last front is the supreme Court. It would be terrible to lose the court to the forces of tyrannical control.
  We already have

Sorry buddy you're going to have to live with gay marriage

  I didn't know it was made mandatory.  Is that why so many people are upset at the decision?

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JorgeBurrito said:   
bighitter said:   For those who are still handicapping Hillary’s chances of winning a national election, there is an interesting commentary in the WSJ written by  Mr. Mukasey,  a U.S. attorney general (2007-09) and  a U.S. district judge for the Southern District of New York (1988-2006),  He weighs in on Hillary’s potential criminal prosecution for her email erasure here 

ETA:  My link apparently requires a paid subscription to the wall street journal.  Sorry.  Perhaps someone here can show us how to  provide a source of public access to the WSJ article..  

  You can do a google search of the link and click on the first link that comes up.

Hillary at the very least is guilty of some very poor judgement.  Something that should and will be repeatedly used against her if she ends up the Democratic nominee.  If she is guilty of more than that it is better for our entire nation if it comes out now as opposed to later.  I am glad to hear potential breaches in classified information is being actively investigated and the server was turned over to the FBI.  I for one am ready to welcome Biden into the Dem clown car and look forward to his signature legislation of a Trans Am in every garage.

I don't know whether Biden would be a good president but I'm willing to consider anyone at this point..  From what I have read,   there are a number of people on the right who know Biden and think he is a decent and genuinely nice person.  Perhaps he would be able to heal some of the ill will and distrust that has built up between the left and right in Congress.

The FBI, who took control of Clinton's server,  operates under the Department of Justice.  The Department of Justice operates under President Obama.     There is debate whether the FBI will be allowed to fully investigate.   Let's hope so.

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bighitter said:   The FBI, who took control of Clinton's server,  operates under the Department of Justice.  The Department of Justice operates under President Obama.     There is debate whether the FBI will be allowed to fully investigate.   Let's hope so.
What debate?  When it comes to controlling the Justice Department, Obama has been much less like Richard Nixon and much more like Gerald Ford, who essentially let it operate independently.

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larrymoencurly said:   
bighitter said:   The FBI, who took control of Clinton's server,  operates under the Department of Justice.  The Department of Justice operates under President Obama.     There is debate whether the FBI will be allowed to fully investigate.   Let's hope so.
What debate? 
 

  
It's like the debate over whether ¡Jeb! will hand Texas or Arizona over to Mexico to appease his wife. You have to stick your head in the right echo chamber to hear it.

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lordoffire said:   
JorgeBurrito said:   
kamalktk said:   We should all be supporting Deez Nuts
Deez nuts has certainly erupted into the political scene. I am stiff with anticipation of his next move.

  my vote is for Limberbutt McCubbins

  Deez Nuts will consider him as a running mate, also picks up a crucial endorsement. link

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bighitter said:   
JorgeBurrito said:   
bighitter said:   For those who are still handicapping Hillary’s chances of winning a national election, there is an interesting commentary in the WSJ written by  Mr. Mukasey,  a U.S. attorney general (2007-09) and  a U.S. district judge for the Southern District of New York (1988-2006),  He weighs in on Hillary’s potential criminal prosecution for her email erasure here 

ETA:  My link apparently requires a paid subscription to the wall street journal.  Sorry.  Perhaps someone here can show us how to  provide a source of public access to the WSJ article..  

  You can do a google search of the link and click on the first link that comes up.

Hillary at the very least is guilty of some very poor judgement.  Something that should and will be repeatedly used against her if she ends up the Democratic nominee.  If she is guilty of more than that it is better for our entire nation if it comes out now as opposed to later.  I am glad to hear potential breaches in classified information is being actively investigated and the server was turned over to the FBI.  I for one am ready to welcome Biden into the Dem clown car and look forward to his signature legislation of a Trans Am in every garage.

I don't know whether Biden would be a good president but I'm willing to consider anyone at this point..  From what I have read,   there are a number of people on the right who know Biden and think he is a decent and genuinely nice person.  Perhaps he would be able to heal some of the ill will and distrust that has built up between the left and right in Congress.

 

  I have a friend in the state department who has met Biden a couple times.  Basically hear the same thing from her, very nice, funny, always works the entire room to make sure even the peons get a chance to talk with him.  She says one thing that comes out in person is that he also is pretty damn smart behind the "classic Biden personality".  I am not sure he is electable as he does have a big perception problem, plus, speaking of the cuff as much as Biden does is probably not the best trait for a president, but I think we could do whole lot worse than Biden.

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larrymoencurly said:   
bighitter said:   The FBI, who took control of Clinton's server,  operates under the Department of Justice.  The Department of Justice operates under President Obama.     There is debate whether the FBI will be allowed to fully investigate.   Let's hope so.
What debate?  When it comes to controlling the Justice Department, Obama has been much less like Richard Nixon and much more like Gerald Ford, who essentially let it operate independently.

  The debate probably centers around whether Hillary will get the same pass as Lois Lerner received from the Justice Department regarding the IRS targeting of conservatives.  As you will recall, the Justice Department was purportedly considering prosecuting Lerner after Congress found her in contempt over her failure to testify.  Justice later abruptly issued a statement that they would not pursue prosecution.    

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Please pardon this interruption to your regularly scheduled program. I just wanted to note that I changed the title of this thread, since it seems to have gone on a bit longer than the initial election year.

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Based upon White House Press Secretary comments on tonight's evening news, it looks as if Biden will announce his candidacy very soon.  Best question that he was asked by the press is which candidate (Hillary or Joe) President Obama will endorse.

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Dem got the opposite problem; Hillary's momentum is almost unstoppable at this point and the buyers regrets are mounting with no possible exit strategy. The entry of Biden, if it happens would at least shift the spot light off her for a while.

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This is what is wrong with the Republican Base right now:

(Republicans) Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?
Yes 29%
No 44%
Not sure 26%

(Republicans) Do you think Ted Cruz was born in the United States?
Yes 40%
No 22%
Not sure 39%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National... 

Fat, Drunk and Stupid is No Way to Go Through LIfe, Son.

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I will say though that the Republican primary is going beyond the pure clown car entertainment level to something that is actually interesting on a semi intellectual level. Their seems to be enough anti-establishment sentiment to nominate an "outsider". In the poll in my previous post if you combine Carson+Firorina+Trumps numbers you end up at ~50% of the vote. The huge question is whether "outsider" voters and candidates will coalesce to a single outsider because that IS what I expect to happen with the establishment candidate. I don't know if it is going to be Walker, Bush, Rubio or someone else but I expect to see the establishment candidates narrowed down to a single choice pretty early in the primary season for the "good of the party". If this does not happen with the anti establishment we could see say Bush winning primaries will less than 50% of the vote because the rest is split between Trump and Carson or whoever. Very fascinating stuff, I can't believe the first primary is still so far away.

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This reminds me of college football, don't peak too early, ie. Hillary. I sure didn't see how weak she is 2 months ago and I'm sure in the Dem are looking for a stronger person for the general election. Bernie is no Obama and will have ton of trouble in the general election.

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