Official Election Year Political Discussion Thread

Kandykornhead said:   A video in defense of normal capacity magazines (it's about 2 minutes): y0utubeDebate on magazine size / flash suppresor / etc... are a symptom of how the gun culture corrupted rational thinking on the topic.

Been an interesting couple of days for Obama and his administration,

IRS targeting tea party groups regarding there tax exempt status. As much as I dislike the Tea Party, this is pretty messed up and completely unacceptable. Those responsible and anyone that had knowledge of it occurring should be fired immediately. The IRS is an independent organization, so not sure if this is really an issue Obama can be blamed for (although republicans will do there best I am sure), but still not something I want to see out of my government.

Going through phone records of AP. This to me is potentially the most disconcerting thing to come out. We really don't have the full story and due to the classified nature may never have it but this is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. Judicial review needs to be an available action for any subpoena of this type in my opinion. Our media is doing an absolutely awful job as it is, it worries me how much worse it might be if they are in constant fear of government obtaining their records.

Continued Benghazi hearings. This is still the biggest non story ever, even with the "bombshell" regarding the CIA talking points. I guess I still don't understand why people are shocked that representatives of political parties tailor there talking points to alter the message how they see fit. I don't trust much of what a politician in either party says and anyone that does is a fool. All the actual important parts that we should be discussing like how to avoid these types of incidents in the future are not being discussed at all.

JorgeBurrito said:   Been an interesting couple of days for Obama and his administration,

IRS targeting tea party groups regarding there tax exempt status.
Going through phone records of AP.
Continued Benghazi hearings.
Don't forget the EPA.

Now boarding the Obama Administration scandal train: the EPA
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/14/now-boarding-the-obama-adm...
The Environmental Protection Agency would like you to know it can abuse its power to punish Barack Obama’s political enemies as well as the next agency, thank you very much.

CEI reviewed Freedom of Information Act requests sent between January 2012 and this spring from several environmental groups friendly to the EPA’s mission, and several conservative groups, to see how equally the agency applies its fee waiver policy for media and watchdog groups. Government agencies are supposed to waive fees for groups disseminating information for public benefit. “This is as clear an example of disparate treatment as the IRS’ hurdles selectively imposed upon groups with names ominously reflecting an interest in, say, a less intrusive or biased federal government,” said CEI fellow Chris Horner.

Kandykornhead said:   JorgeBurrito said:   

Continued Benghazi hearings. This is still the biggest non story ever, even with the "bombshell" regarding the CIA talking points. I guess I still don't understand why people are shocked that representatives of political parties tailor there talking points to alter the message how they see fit. I don't trust much of what a politician in either party says and anyone that does is a fool. All the actual important parts that we should be discussing like how to avoid these types of incidents in the future are not being discussed at all. Everybody does it so it's ok? Nobody died in connection with Watergate. "how to avoid this in the future" is a good topic for discussion but I'm also interested in finding out whose idea it was to not send help and why. Do you believe that neither Hillary nor Obama had any input on the crisis as it unfolded?

General Dempsy said it would have taken 20 hours to spin up and deploy f-16s from Italy. If I lived on the East coast (New York or Washington) I could fly to Benghazi commercially in almost the same time.

I agree lying to the public is bad, but, yes, they all do it. I don't think THAT should be the focus of the hearings. I wish the questioners would get to the point: who withheld help and why. From what I have seen regarding the hearings, the questions seem to focus on the talking points/lies rather than why help wasn't sent. The issue of the talking points is just detracting from the real issue, imo.

before going back to business as usual. As an example I will just point out that there was 11 attacks on embassies during the Bush administration with numerous casualties. The total number of hearing on these attacks combined is less than the number that has taken place as a result of the Benghazi attack.No ambassador was killed.

Of course there's motive to score political point but that doesn't mean the sequence of events aren't troubling or mean that the president is personally responsible.

Obama will be announcing his resignation at 6pm....well maybe not tonight but it is coming. No way will he finish his 2nd term. Obama White House has gone much dirtier than Nixon's ever did

JorgeBurrito said:   ZenNUTS said:   before going back to business as usual. As an example I will just point out that there was 11 attacks on embassies during the Bush administration with numerous casualties. The total number of hearing on these attacks combined is less than the number that has taken place as a result of the Benghazi attack.No ambassador was killed.

Of course there's motive to score political point but that doesn't mean the sequence of events aren't troubling or mean that the president is personally responsible.

I see, as long as an ambassador wasn't killed embassy attacks and fatalities are perfectly OK. That seems like a reasonable position.

I am curious on your theory on how the president is personally responsible. Do you believe that he ordered the military to stand down and not rescue our people? or is for some other reason?It's a much more serious incident and don't take it out on me, that's how anyone would see it. Solders die everyday but you hardly hear in the news anymore but if a general get killed, it's big news and big follow up.

Chill a bit, you might want to re-read what I wrote again.

hotahai said:   But Clinton will lose to Chris Christie in 2016.Also not my favorite koolaid flavor. Christie is one artery blocking doughnut from the infinite, besides he's a gun hating "moderate".

RS4Rings said:   Obama will be announcing his resignation at 6pm....well maybe not tonight but it is coming. No way will he finish his 2nd term. Obama White House has gone much dirtier than Nixon's ever didTypical baseless right wing hack attack lies.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/opinion/brazile-benghazi-truth/ind...

RS4Rings said:   Obama will be announcing his resignation at 6pm....well maybe not tonight but it is coming. No way will he finish his 2nd term. Obama White House has gone much dirtier than Nixon's ever didBaseless hack attack lies from the people who practice and admire Nixon's dirty tricks. Here's an example:

What Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes wrote in an e-mail:

""We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation."

What the lying hacks claimed he wrote in that very same e-mail:

"We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don't want to undermine the FBI investigation."

PartialwrtX said:   Dudes... Dude!