this is a far different conclusion than the guy the news media used to fan the flames on this story
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Jstic
Senior Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 9:54a
I always suspected that those guys who said they analyzed the audio tape and could identify whose voice it was were FOS.
BitemeIamtoxic
Non-toxic
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 11:44a
Oh, c'mon, we all know youfs are always the ones that are innocent.
iowahawkeye
Broke Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 11:52a
He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed.
webferret
In the wrong thread.
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 11:59a
iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed.
I think this was in reference to the "expert" who previously stated the screamer was Trayvon. FBI reports the recording is too indistinct to determine WHO was screaming.
ganda
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 2:38p
You can't chase someone, catch them, shoot them dead and then claim you killed them in self defense. Period.
Kandykornhead
Works for The Man
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 3:00p
ganda said: You can't chase someone, catch them, shoot them dead and then claim you killed them in self defense. Period.But you can follow someone, stop following them, get jumped from behind and beaten to a pulp, shoot them dead and claim you killed them in self defense. There will never be a "Period" on this deal because no one knows if it went down as you described it or as I did. Or maybe someone does know, since I read that despite the huge media dump the other day there is 10% of the evidence that only the court has seen.
scrouds
Luddite
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 3:19p
iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed. Live like a thug, die like a thug.
TodPedro
Happy Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 3:53p
scrouds said: iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed. Live like a thug, die like a thug.
Pray tell, what was the thug part? Marijuana in his system, wearing a hoodie, or just being African American? Or was it the skittles?
How people can not see that it was some dumbshit wannabe cop with a gun that caused another human being who was just walking to his father's house to end up dead is beyond me.
scrouds
Luddite
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 4:12p
TodPedro said: scrouds said: iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed. Live like a thug, die like a thug.
Pray tell, what was the thug part? Marijuana in his system, wearing a hoodie, or just being African American? Or was it the skittles?
How people can not see that it was some dumbshit wannabe cop with a gun that caused another human being who was just walking to his father's house to end up dead is beyond me.
How people can not see that martin was a thug that tagged his school, stole jewelry, sells drugs who attacked a respected man in his own community who was serving that community by watching for robbers that the police have been unable to stop.
airtommy
0k
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 4:38p
ganda said: You can't chase someone, catch them, shoot them dead and then claim you killed them in self defense. Period. LOL, sure you can. Following a person is not legally or morally wrong. As neighborhood watch captain, Zimmerman was especially tasked with following strangers.
camiolo
Hard at Work
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 4:45p
iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed.
TodPedro said: scrouds said: iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed. Live like a thug, die like a thug.
Pray tell, what was the thug part? Marijuana in his system, wearing a hoodie, or just being African American? Or was it the skittles?
How people can not see that it was some dumbshit wannabe cop with a gun that caused another human being who was just walking to his father's house to end up dead is beyond me.
Green for the first part. Double red for the 2nd.
ganda
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 5:52p
airtommy said: ganda said: You can't chase someone, catch them, shoot them dead and then claim you killed them in self defense. Period. LOL, sure you can. Following a person is not legally or morally wrong. As neighborhood watch captain, Zimmerman was especially tasked with following strangers.
If someone jumped out of their car and pursued me, I'd confront them too. Although I'm not black I do often wear hoodies, and a scrawny little dipshit like Zimmerman would rightly feel threatened if I confronted him. Guess he'd shoot me dead too?
After pursuing and shooting dead an unarmed black man, I'm sure Zimmerman will get the best legal team the NRA can provide.
BTW - it's Neighborhood WATCH, not Neighborhood PURSUE AND CONFRONT. The Police told him not to pursue, he did, and someone died.
camiolo said: iowahawkeye said: He chased an unarmed kid and when confronted, one of them (the kid or the killer) said FU(K. big deal which one said the word! an innocent was killed.
You say chase. Zimmerman says followed.He tends to be not completely truthful when the circumstance is right, even in front of a judge.
I wonder how he can take the stand without getting ripped apart, or can tell the jury his self defense story without taking the stand.
Chances are there won't BE a trial. The judge is going to cut him free. That being said, nothing will be happening for about a year.
airtommy
0k
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 8:21p
ganda said: If someone jumped out of their car and pursued me, I'd confront them too. LOL, stop pretending you have anything in common with Trayvon.
airtommy
0k
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 8:31p
nycll said: Why not let the due process work its way?
It did. The black and liberal public threatened a lynch mob after due process was completed. So now we have double jeopardy, soon to be followed by triple and quadruple jeopardy.
germanpope
Graceful Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 10:57p
I am still reserving judgment --- but it's looking more and more like a trouble-making kid was trying to beat down a wanna be rent-a-cop
the kid didn't want to be disrespected by punk neighborhood watch guy
the kid got the upper-hand and was beating the crap out of the guy and then the guy shot him
too bad for everyone involved
worse for the american people --- once again we are reminded just how horrible and rotten to the core our news media is
webferret
In the wrong thread.
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 11:04p
germanpope said: I am still reserving judgment --- but it's looking more and more like a trouble-making kid was trying to beat down a wanna be rent-a-cop
the kid didn't want to be disrespected by punk neighborhood watch guy
the kid got the upper-hand and was beating the crap out of the guy and then the guy shot him
too bad for everyone involved
worse for the american people --- once again we are reminded just how horrible and rotten to the core our news media is
I think you are right. I think it was one of those situations that spiraled out of control. I don't believe either party was innocent of any wrong doing.
Now that more info has come out, I wonder if the media is going to refer to the unfortunate "watermelon iced tea" now and stereotype things even more.
nycll
Geeky member
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 5:58a
morecowbell said: i thought this WAS the trial. my bad No you were right. FWOT is full of super hero and supreme judges. The secret weapon, alert mod!
nycll
Geeky member
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 6:04a
fasttimes said: nycll said: Is the trial date decided?
Chances are there won't BE a trial. The judge is going to cut him free. That being said, nothing will be happening for about a year. You mean dismissing the charges, why will it take a year? Has the motion been filed?
airtommy said: ganda said: If someone jumped out of their car and pursued me, I'd confront them too. LOL, stop pretending you have anything in common with Trayvon.
LOL, one of things I have in common with the dead man, and I have in common with all of us I hope, is the right to walk through a residential American neighborhood without being shot dead by a failed human being who's watched too many Batman movies.
germanpope
Graceful Member
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 7:46a
I get the part about not wanting to be profiled or harassed by batman.
But beating the crap out of a batman, clearly crosses the line. In my humble pontificating opinion, of course.
ganda
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 7:51a
Batman chased me down. For all I knew Batman could have been an armed lunatic intent on not letting "the a$$holes get away this time". If Batman had stayed in his BatMobile, and used his BatPhone to call Commissioner Gordon, a professional could have dealt with the situation, and I'd still be alive.
This ain't Gotham, Joker.
germanpope
Graceful Member
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 7:59a
Well at this point, the story gets a little hazy. Are you little red riding hood or are you teenage wanna-be-MMA-tough-guy hood?
ganda
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 8:49a
red riding hoodie?
Martial Arts are a bad thing now? When did that happen? Martial Arts teach respect and self-control, they are a defensive skill that teach you to use your opponent's aggression against them. Speaking as someone with 12 years of Judo under his, er, black belt (tip your waitress!).
I'm much more concerned about people who fail psych tests carrying handguns than I am Martial Arts.
scrouds
Luddite
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 8:53a
question 12 of the florida concealed carry application: 12) Have you ever been adjudicated incapacitated, committed to a mental institution, or adjudicated mentally defective?
mewhojen
...flexible...
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 8:54a
^^unfortunately, psych testing is not part of gun purchasing
ganda
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 8:56a
mewhojen said: ^^unfortunately, psych testing is not part of gun purchasing
The Police rejected the accused murderer when he applied for a job enforcing the law.
curtisekarr
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 9:11a
germanpope said: Well at this point, the story gets a little hazy. Are you little red riding hood or are you teenage wanna-be-MMA-tough-guy hood?That's precisely the reason that the 911 operator told Zimm to stay away and let the police handle it.
germanpope
Graceful Member
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 9:14a
ganda said: mewhojen said: ^^unfortunately, psych testing is not part of gun purchasing
The Police rejected the accused murderer when he applied for a job enforcing the law.
Yes, just like Centennial Olympic Park "bomber".
remember that horrible guy --- Richard Jewell
germanpope
Graceful Member
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 9:18a
ganda said: ... I'm much more concerned about people who fail psych tests carrying handguns than I am Martial Arts.
I really don't think we are talking about the discipline of martial arts.
mewhojen
...flexible...
posted: May. 19, 2012 @ 9:28a
scrouds said: question 12 of the florida concealed carry application: 12) Have you ever been adjudicated incapacitated, committed to a mental institution, or adjudicated mentally defective? that just means involuntary stay in a psych ward or someone managed to get guardianship... not "sane"
My work is full of people I hope don't have guns but could get one under those qualifications
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