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A good punishment for them would be no more schoolbus previledges for them. That'll teach them a lesson being away from their buddies on bus.. and a lesson to their parents to be more careful about what their children are learning and acting like.


I bet she was a hottie back in the days.



KayK said:   A good punishment for them would be no more schoolbus previledges for them. That'll teach them a lesson being away from their buddies on bus.. and a lesson to their parents to be more careful about what their children are learning and acting like.

This was the punishment when I was in school. A fistfight with another kid earned me two days of not taking the bus. I can't say I was bummed.


When I was a kid I never would never have dared to speak that way to a bus monitor, teacher or pretty much any adult.


akiri423 said:   KayK said:   A good punishment for them would be no more schoolbus previledges for them. That'll teach them a lesson being away from their buddies on bus.. and a lesson to their parents to be more careful about what their children are learning and acting like.

This was the punishment when I was in school. A fistfight with another kid earned me two days of not taking the bus. I can't say I was bummed.

Yeah, I don't see not taking the bus as punishment.

Really, it should result in a full semester of Saturday school.


Sprintx said:   When I was a kid I never would never have dared to speak that way to a bus monitor, teacher or pretty much any adult.Same with me if I was in India.

The sissyfication of punishment towards children is the cause of kids being this rude. If the monitor had the authority to be mean and make the kids shut the hell up, this would never happen.



I so do not miss middle school at all.


I know it is wrong, but I so wanted her to smack those kids while watching video.


Sad


FrugalFreak said:   I know it is wrong, but I so wanted her to smack those kids while watching video.

It's not wrong at all. A good ass-kicking would be both fair and beneficial for them. Screw the stupid hippies who say violence is never the answer.


ppatin said:    Screw the stupid hippies who say violence is never the answer.

If violence never solved anything, why do the police carry guns?


MadAnthony said:   ppatin said:    Screw the stupid hippies who say violence is never the answer.

If violence never solved anything, why do the police carry guns?



Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that "violence never solves anything" I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.

I <3 Robert Heinlein.


Makes me mad to see this
I wonder what the kids parents have to say about their behavior

One comment hurt the most--kids said "you're so ugly your kid should kill themselves"
Her son took his life 10 yr ago

Those kids weren't brought up to respect.
I remember when I was young I called one of my mom's friends by her first name...mom put me
in my place right on the spot. You call her "Mrs. Givens." From then on I knew I had to respect
my elders. (not that I didn't have respect for her because I called her by her first name, it just wasn't done.
I guess it's like calling one of your school teachers by their first names years later, I can't do it LOL)


KayK said:   A good punishment for them would be no more schoolbus previledges for them. That'll teach them a lesson being away from their buddies on bus.. and a lesson to their parents to be more careful about what their children are learning and acting like.Because the parents will be affected, it's one of the few punishments that will stick.


0AfterRebates said:   I bet she was a hottie back in the days.You bring up an important point: How can we tell when a hottie will still be a hottie in later years if we can't see their mother or aunts?


Don't punish the kids,though ... You may scar them for life, ruin their self-esteem, make them think they can't express themselves ... yadda yadda yadda.

I saw something online the other day about the statement of "leaving a better planet for our kids" ... but what about "leaving better kids for our planet."

Some parents (I won't group everyone together) need to learn how to be parents and not friends ... teaching respect and responsibility. And society needs to back off and let parents DISCIPLINE their children without worrying about hurting the delicate "psyche" of the obnoxious, ill-mannered kids. (I'm not talking beating your kid with a two-by-four ...).

I could not imagine behaving this way as a child ... and it sickens me seeing it.


MadAnthony said:   how the internet rallied around a bullied bus monitor

Direct link to fundraiser for her, as referenced in the article. Already raised over $400,000.

http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein


400K+

Good. She won't have to be a bus monitor for these little snots anymore.


(I read on the internet that it was a conspiracy.)


I'm betting the parents are real winners themselves.


If I were the superintendent:

In-school suspension for 30 days for the kids involved.
Not allowed on the bus for the rest of the school year and all of next.
Full letter grade drop in all classes for this year.
Public apology from each of the brats and all their parents/guardians.


mapatsfan said:   
Full letter grade drop in all classes for this year.

In middle school this is kind of a hollow threat. Middle school GPA is irrelevant, and the kind of kids that would torment this lady probably don't care about their GPA anyway.


Indefinite Saturday school is a MUCH worse punishment than in school suspension.


ShadowedBlade said:   Don't punish the kids,though ... You may scar them for life, ruin their self-esteem, make them think they can't express themselves ... yadda yadda yadda.

I saw something online the other day about the statement of "leaving a better planet for our kids" ... but what about "leaving better kids for our planet."

Some parents (I won't group everyone together) need to learn how to be parents and not friends ... teaching respect and responsibility. And society needs to back off and let parents DISCIPLINE their children without worrying about hurting the delicate "psyche" of the obnoxious, ill-mannered kids. (I'm not talking beating your kid with a two-by-four ...).

I could not imagine behaving this way as a child ... and it sickens me seeing it.
What we're seeing is lots of parents treating their kids the way rich people have long done. I once parked cars at a resort and met lots of rich kids, and they were always very confident but usually lacked any sense of responsibility, and some of them in their 20s seemed less mature than much less affluent teens who parked their cars.



I am not defending these kids, they did something terrible and should be punished severely, but isn't this lady just a massive failure at her job that is now being rewarded for it? She was on their as a bus monitor for crying out loud, presumable one of her jobs as such is to you know, stop this kind of bullying behavior. Hmm maybe if I video tape myself creating a hazardous waste dump in the residential neighborhood where the laboratory I work at is located I will be rewarded with big time money....goes to grab video camera.

In other news since when did they start having monitors on school buses in addition to the driver? I'm not all that old and we never had anything like that, of course we knew enough not to misbehave too badly on the bus, less the driver shoot the cute little bunny (no really it always seemed like our bus drivers were one misbehaving kid away from a rampant killing spree so as a result we usually listened to them pretty clsoely).


JorgeBurrito said:   I am not defending these kids, they did something terrible and should be punished severely, but isn't this lady just a massive failure at her job that is now being rewarded for it? She was on their as a bus monitor for crying out loud, presumable one of her jobs as such is to you know, stop this kind of bullying behavior. Hmm maybe if I video tape myself creating a hazardous waste dump in the residential neighborhood where the laboratory I work at is located I will be rewarded with big time money....goes to grab video camera.

In other news since when did they start having monitors on school buses in addition to the driver? I'm not all that old and we never had anything like that, of course we knew enough not to misbehave too badly on the bus, less the driver shoot the cute little bunny (no really it always seemed like our bus drivers were one misbehaving kid away from a rampant killing spree so as a result we usually listened to them pretty clsoely).

What is she supposed to do though? Unfortunately teachers and others in authority have been completely denied any ability to punish kids these days. This behavior had become so common place its sad. Probably the best she can do is be a second set of eyes for the driver to witness anything like threats of physical violence or sex acts on the bus.


packratmarty said:   JorgeBurrito said:   I am not defending these kids, they did something terrible and should be punished severely, but isn't this lady just a massive failure at her job that is now being rewarded for it? She was on their as a bus monitor for crying out loud, presumable one of her jobs as such is to you know, stop this kind of bullying behavior. Hmm maybe if I video tape myself creating a hazardous waste dump in the residential neighborhood where the laboratory I work at is located I will be rewarded with big time money....goes to grab video camera.

In other news since when did they start having monitors on school buses in addition to the driver? I'm not all that old and we never had anything like that, of course we knew enough not to misbehave too badly on the bus, less the driver shoot the cute little bunny (no really it always seemed like our bus drivers were one misbehaving kid away from a rampant killing spree so as a result we usually listened to them pretty clsoely).


What is she supposed to do though? Unfortunately teachers and others in authority have been completely denied any ability to punish kids these days. This behavior had become so common place its sad. Probably the best she can do is be a second set of eyes for the driver to witness anything like threats of physical violence or sex acts on the bus.

I don't but it, yes the kinds of discipline that can be enforced in classrooms/buses has changed throughout they years, but by far most classrooms (at least those run by competent teachers) are still orderly and have only the occasional problems that you expect when you are dealing with kids. She makes absolutely zero effort to control the kids in question, or even threaten them with discipline (even if it is just I will be reporting your behavior to the principal at which point you will be sent to detention). I don't know, while I feel for her she just seemed to be a massively poor fit for the job in question.


clearly we need to start arming bus monitors.



turtlebug said:   Bullies get one year suspension and 50 hours community service
What CNN says in the first paragraph, is not what the quote says in the fourth. One year suspension is different from one year suspension from the school bus. According to the quote, the school district is suspending them from the bus.



MadAnthony said:   clearly we need to start arming bus monitors.At least to the level of the kids.




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