Wow! The guy has a point, but now he'll probably have to come up with $$$ to prove it! He also must have a lot of time on his hands to pursue this. I hope he wins.
bozo007 said: momgoingbroke said: bozo007 said: pecanpie said: hasn't this happened before?That was at BestBuy.And? For using $2 bills to make a payment
Bestbuy is notorios for treating its customers like criminals.
momgoingbroke said: Wow! The guy has a point, but now he'll probably have to come up with $$$ to prove it! He also must have a lot of time on his hands to pursue this. I hope he wins.
mgb--I have to disagree with you.
I hope he loses in spectacular fashion. Why? Because he seems (and of course, I may be wrong) to be looking for trouble so to speak. He KNEW exactly what was going on (and admits as such) but decided to "play dumb". I would hazard a guess that this whole scenario was a "set-up" situation. I think that it's JUST stupid to behave like this gentleman did. He's looking for an excuse to sue someone, anyone, and puts himself in the situations to do so.
Of course, I could be wrong in my assumptions about this person.
MarilynKay said: momgoingbroke said: Wow! The guy has a point, but now he'll probably have to come up with $$$ to prove it! He also must have a lot of time on his hands to pursue this. I hope he wins.
mgb--I have to disagree with you.
I hope he loses in spectacular fashion. Why? Because he seems (and of course, I may be wrong) to be looking for trouble so to speak. He KNEW exactly what was going on (and admits as such) but decided to "play dumb". I would hazard a guess that this whole scenario was a "set-up" situation. I think that it's JUST stupid to behave like this gentleman did. He's looking for an excuse to sue someone, anyone, and puts himself in the situations to do so.
Of course, I could be wrong in my assumptions about this person.
set up or not ... we do have rights. i'd like to keep them.
bozo007 said: momgoingbroke said: bozo007 said: pecanpie said: hasn't this happened before?That was at BestBuy.And? For using $2 bills to make a paymentsuspicions were roused when an employee noticed some smearing of ink... Finally, Secret Service agent Leigh Turner arrived, examined the bills and said they were legitimate, adding, according to the police report, "Sometimes ink on money can smear."
I either will no longer patronize these stores or, if asked to see the receipt, I will politely inform them that IF they have just cause to detain me, then they may see the receipt. I have not been further questioned after that.
This is in California, where afaik only businesses who have stated policies like Costco are the ones who can require receipt upon exiting the store.
MarilynKay said: momgoingbroke said: Wow! The guy has a point, but now he'll probably have to come up with $$$ to prove it! He also must have a lot of time on his hands to pursue this. I hope he wins.mgb--I have to disagree with you.
I hope he loses in spectacular fashion. Why? Because he seems (and of course, I may be wrong) to be looking for trouble so to speak. He KNEW exactly what was going on (and admits as such) but decided to "play dumb". I would hazard a guess that this whole scenario was a "set-up" situation. I think that it's JUST stupid to behave like this gentleman did. He's looking for an excuse to sue someone, anyone, and puts himself in the situations to do so. Of course, I could be wrong in my assumptions about this person.Yes, he might certainly be looking for trouble, no doubt, but it seems as if Ohio law is on his side, so far. I strongly disagree with the search policies that many stores use, so, if he has the time and money (no matter what his motive) then I hope he can win this. In my area K-Mart and Wa1mart check bags all the time. I (reluctantly) show my receipt because I don't have the time to play these legal games. It's like the store wants my money, but doesn't trust me. I think there are other ways they can monitor store theft than to stop and check bags, especially when I am walking directly from the register!
Honestly, on my list of injustices, having to show my receipt while exiting a store is way on the bottom. Yes, the law seems to be on the side of the people who refuse to show their receipt, but it doesn't strike me as that big a deal, and I can understand why stores do it (to prevent shoplifting) and why they are suspicious of anyone who doesn't show it.
I believe in picking ones battles, and nobody has convinced me that this is a battle worth picking.
hope he wins. what we need is a 20/20 or dateline investigation onto this types of cases/laws to educate the consumers. If the tv shows and educates consumer that you do not need to show and play all this bs then i can tell you more customers will just walk away and not show receipts. Its a big hassle going through all these legal things but the guy is right and seems Ohio's with him so far.
Speaking of Dateline, 20/20 abc on Friday be showing a special edition on how the 'To Catch a Predator Dateline NBC' investigation is going. Apparently most charges or all will be drop, and apparently dateline NBC also use tactics such as 'going to the person's home' to arrest people if i'm not mistaken. This is when the supposedly predator did not show up and a bunch of cops/Chris went to his house to arrest, i think it ended he committed suicide. Dateline doesn't show you everything on tv, only what makes them look good or good for television.
set up or not ... we do have rights. i'd like to keep them.
last I checked, no one has the "right" to shop ANYWHERE. It is a privilege. (by the way...I despise Circuit City from long ago--but that's not the point here.)
If YOU know (and most people do by now) that a store is going to stop you on the way out and check your receipt, then WHY even go in there? Unless, you're going in there to test the limits and see just how far the situation will go. That reminds me of children (mine included)--they know the rules, but occasionally will push and push and push to see how far they can go. Circuit City is not the only electronics store, Costco is not the only warehouse store, WalMart is not the only "big box" store, etc. If you aren't willing to play by their rules when you go there (again this is assuming you know the rules) then don't shop there! Yep--we all have rights! I have the right NOT to shop somewhere that I disagree with their policies. I have the right to just say no! And while that may not make a lot of difference in a store's profit margin--at least *I* will have made a stand in an ethical and moral manner that doesn't involve being arrested.
If theft is reduced by these checks and prices go down as a result, then I really do not mind them. The key is the way stores do the checking, as if its their right.
MarilynKay said: If YOU know (and most people do by now) that a store is going to stop you on the way out and check your receipt, then WHY even go in there? ...Circuit City is not the only electronics store, Costco is not the only warehouse store, WalMart is not the only "big box" store, etc. If you aren't willing to play by their rules when you go there (again this is assuming you know the rules) then don't shop there!And that's just one reason I have totally stopped going to K-Mart and rarely go to Wa1mart! I've never seen Target do this, which is one of the many reasons why Target gets my business!
Checks are done random, sometimes its all, sometimes not. Do you think it is always 100% check all people leaving the store?
Regarding playing by rules, if he wins by law then guess who is playing by the rules? Stores want to do all these checks but are they really playing by the rules in the first place? If they are then they should win no problem.
The things is most people think there's this 'rule' to do so and so if it seems logical or majority or 90% of society think it is right and it makes sense but in reality there is nothing written to support what they think. Just because everyone does it and follow doesn't mean it is right or within the rule/law
momgoingbroke said: MarilynKay said: If YOU know (and most people do by now) that a store is going to stop you on the way out and check your receipt, then WHY even go in there? ...Circuit City is not the only electronics store, Costco is not the only warehouse store, WalMart is not the only "big box" store, etc. If you aren't willing to play by their rules when you go there (again this is assuming you know the rules) then don't shop there!And that's just one reason I have totally stopped going to K-Mart and rarely go to Wa1mart! I've never seen Target do this, which is one of the many reasons why Target gets my business!
and see--I have never had to show my receipt at any KMart, Target or WalMart (except for when I set off the "alarm" at WalMart, which gives them probable cause to inspect my purchases).
Costco and Sams are the only ones that I know have been doing this since forever. I don't shop Circuit City (for completely other reasons!). And quite frankly--showing my receipt is not a battle I'm willing to fight! Now, if you stop me on the way in to WalMart and frisk me, search my purse, etc. Then yes, that would be something I'd be willing to fight right then and there!
dairymtu said: Checks are done random, sometimes its all, sometimes not. Do you think it is always 100% check are people leaving the store?
Regarding playing by rules, if he wins by law then guess who is playing by the rules? Stores want to do all these checks but are they really playing by the rules in the first place? If they are then they should win no problem.
The things is most people think there's this 'rule' to do so and so if it seems logical or majority or 90% of society think it is right and it makes sense. Just because everyone does it and follow doesn't mean it is right or within the rule/law
It's kind of like when my kids go to someone else's house to play--they have to play by the rules set forth by the adults in the house. If my kids or I feel that their rules are "unfair" or "wrong" then it's real simple--the kids don't go over there again.
MarilynKay said: Now, if you stop me on the way in to WalMart and frisk me, search my purse, etc. Then yes, that would be something I'd be willing to fight right then and there!Uhhh....this is what I usually do at the concerts I work!
It makes perfect sense to show receipt, after all you did not steal. Takes just a minute, if more people then it takes longer. When the police officer stops you then just starts asking to open trunk, is that ok? Of course if you have nothing to hide might as well. Because 'you have nothing to hide' and the inconvenience it may cost you in the long run we all gave up most rights.
If the check receipt line is long and it takes 30mins just to be done with i think most people would walk out or never shop there again. How is this different from walking out if the check receipt line was only 1 min long? Now get this; If people knew they could walk out without showing receipt, then when it gets 30mins they will exercise it (would you not?). No different than a 1 min check receipt line (why not exercise it if you can).
The point he was making was that he doesn't need to show the receipt unless he was being accused of something.
dairymtu said: When the police officer stops you then just starts asking to open trunk, is that ok? Of course if you have nothing to hide might as well.
Unless the officer has probable cause, he has no right to search my vehicle. However, most people surrender because they fear retribution. Know your rights people and stop acting like cattle.
I don't know how I feel about this one. On one hand, the kid comes across as a smart-ass punk, and on the other hand, "Joe" comes across as a bully, much like a bar room bouncer, and the cop, well, draw your own conclusions. I know how I feel when a store forgets to deactivate their automated loss prevention tags and I set off an alarm leaving the store. The Best Buy cashiers used to forget to do it all the time and I finally got really pissed about it one time. Some little pimply-faced punk jumped up in my face at the door and I calmly told him "you've got two seconds..." and he did, but I had to ask for the manager about 5 times before they went and got him. They should N-E-V-E-R forget to disable those damned tags, I don't like what it implies when the alarm goes off.
I can see a time in the future that we may have to sign a piece of paper surrendering our rights and confirming we have read their 10 pages of TC's before entering a store to shop.
momgoingbroke said: MarilynKay said: Now, if you stop me on the way in to WalMart and frisk me, search my purse, etc. Then yes, that would be something I'd be willing to fight right then and there!Uhhh....this is what I usually do at the concerts I work! different situation, different venue. It's known by most concert goes that they may be searched--In fact it's sometimes even printed on your ticket. The same w/ most college and other sporting events.
I'll submit to it. At Costco, the person 9 times out of 10 just drags a marker across my receipt while looking at or talking to someone else. It is annoying when you get one who itemizes everything on the receipt when there is a line backed up.
MarilynKay said: momgoingbroke said: MarilynKay said: Now, if you stop me on the way in to WalMart and frisk me, search my purse, etc. Then yes, that would be something I'd be willing to fight right then and there!Uhhh....this is what I usually do at the concerts I work!different situation, different venue. It's known by most concert goes that they may be searched--In fact it's sometimes even printed on your ticket. The same w/ most college and other sporting events.I know. I was just mentioning it because I do it so much. Every now and then we get someone that complains and I just hand them off to the supervisor so I can keep my line moving. Sometimes it is the first time someone has been to a concert and they just don't get why we do that.
I'm one of those punks who often, but not always, breeze by and say "no thanks" to these checkers. I recall reading somehwere that Costco gets away with this because of their membership nature.
My take is this, in California a store employee can't stop you for shoplifting unless they have a reason to believe you did so. If they do stop you, and can't provide any reasonable cause, you can sue them for false imprisonment. Stopping you when you want to leave would also fall under that, at least that would be my non-binding opinion.
BTW I'm much more inclined to stop if the cashier tells me before hand to have my receipt ready upon exit. If I've put it in my wallet (where all my receipts go) then I'm very unlikely to stop. Unless MsMojo is with me. The attitude of the exit employee also is a factor in my attitude, a smile or pleasant disposition goes a long way.
Manager deserves to get fired. Hopefully this will set precedent and retailers will realize that you cant have an 80 yo geezer watch you checkout 20 feet from him and then ask to see your receipt essentially calling you a thief while the employees are throwing boxes out the back door.
If this guy's description of his arrest is correct, it sounds like the police officer is in desperate need of proper training. No one employed as a police officer should be that clueless about the law.
MarilynKay said: last I checked, no one has the "right" to shop ANYWHERE. It is a privilege.
If YOU know (and most people do by now) that a store is going to stop you on the way out and check your receipt, then WHY even go in there? Unless, you're going in there to test the limits and see just how far the situation will go. That reminds me of children (mine included)--they know the rules, but occasionally will push and push and push to see how far they can go. Circuit City is not the only electronics store, Costco is not the only warehouse store, WalMart is not the only "big box" store, etc. If you aren't willing to play by their rules when you go there (again this is assuming you know the rules) then don't shop there! Yep--we all have rights! I have the right NOT to shop somewhere that I disagree with their policies. I have the right to just say no! And while that may not make a lot of difference in a store's profit margin--at least *I* will have made a stand in an ethical and moral manner that doesn't involve being arrested.
The store is committing a few crimes by forcing people to show receipts. They can ask, that is not a crime. But they can not enforce it. Doing so is an invasion of privacy, illegal search, and holding someone against their will.
The only stores that can get away with that are stores are private stores that require memberships.
Last I checked, Circuit City isnt a private store. If Circuit City has the best prices, then there is no reason that someone can't go in and buy something without being searched.
Personally, I dont mind showing the receipt if it isn't a hassle. Sometimes, though I put the receipt away or there is a long line. I'd rather walk out with my property in hand.
dairymtu said: pkny said: Read through most of this thread. So most of you guys/gals are against in showing a receipt? I just don't get it, maybe i am too nice.
i think most people are against but cave in because don't want to go through hell. if everyone did not show receipt and they could do nothing about it, those who agreed to show would probably walk away to. problem is cops and stores think they have all the power, so even when you're right they may find a way to still make you wrong. Its just in their mindset and they'll do that. Kind of like, I'm always right and i'll find a way to be right all the time, cannot be wrong
I don't think most people are against but cave in. Most of us don't want to give trouble to others, not just because of ourselves. The employees are doing the duty the company asked them to, why giving them trouble when it just costs you a few seconds.
I do believe if companies stop asking people for the receipt, it would encourage more shoplifting, it benefits neither you nor the company but the shoplifters. Or the companies need to install many cameras, which you don't like, and have people dedicated to watching them. Either way, the cost will be transferred to the customers.
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