shopliftinginva said:One of the big things I noticed when I moved to Virginia was how open some people are with their racism. If they are any indication of how white supremacists are, there's no hiding what they do. It's pretty out in the open how they feel and they tend to brag about their racism.

Most of the private schools in your area were started due to parents not wanting integrated schooling. They even shut the PS down for a year to protest that issue, long ago. The only ones which probably weren't started during that time were a lot of the Catholic schools and one very wealthy academy.

iRabbitt said:shopliftinginva said:One of the big things I noticed when I moved to Virginia was how open some people are with their racism. If they are any indication of how white supremacists are, there's no hiding what they do. It's pretty out in the open how they feel and they tend to brag about their racism.



Most of the private schools in your area were started due to parents not wanting integrated schooling. They even shut the PS down for a year to protest that issue, long ago. The only ones which probably weren't started during that time were a lot of the Catholic schools and one very wealthy academy.

I know there are racist in the Boston area, but they always kept quiet about it. It was more of a mumbling. It's shocking to be talking to a neighbor or someone you meet somewhere and here that crap come out of their mouth. There was a guy who lived below us when we lived in an apartment (when I first moved here) and I'm sure my mouth hung open when he first started spouting stuff.

That doesn't surprise me about the schools. Although "outsiders" are filling in the area to round it out, you still see a strong redneck/racist community in this area.

TM1 said:iRabbitt said:But then does that leave 'brainwashed' mothers not-guilty of protecting their children?
At what point in time does the responsibility begin to do the right thing?

And we know that a lot of mothers aren't born with that instinct, or they choose to ignore it.

Absoutely not!! A mother should be protecting their children. That brings back the question I asked earlier; at what ponit are they not allowed to raise another generation like they are? But it sounds so easy to fix the problem in text...

I guess by starting to enforce laws that are being broken. If a man marries or gets an underage girl pregnant, he goes to jail and has a restraining order put on him when he gets out to stay away from her. The government needs to keep a better eye on these people and not let them hole up in some compound to do whatever the hell they want.

shopliftinginva said: It's shocking to be talking to a neighbor or someone you meet somewhere and here that crap come out of their mouth. There was a guy who lived below us when we lived in an apartment (when I first moved here) and I'm sure my mouth hung open when he first started spouting stuff.

That doesn't surprise me about the schools. Although "outsiders" are filling in the area to round it out, you still see a strong redneck/racist community in this area.

The KKK is very much alive and well where you live, too. You just have to know who to talk to and find out info. Outside the city is where's at, the ones in the city won't tolerate it. It's the small towns where generations of families have lived virtually untouched where they are proliferating and tolerated by the county officials.

momgoingbroke said:TM1 said: A mother should be protecting their children. I am sure part of the brainwashing was that the men, and the religious beliefs of the entire group, protected the children. If it was designed that way, then it could further break the instinctual bonds of the mothers with their children, to further satisfy the sexual cravings of the men.

Interesting point, you may have hit on something there.

iRabbitt said:shopliftinginva said:The government needs to keep a better eye on these people and not let them hole up in some compound to do whatever the hell they want.They should be able to have their compounds, just be subject to lawful searches w/a warrant like any other dwelling. ONe problem is that officials are afraid of them to a degree.And when you look at crime as a whole, there are just so many bigger things out there getting the attention of law enforcement. If that phone call wasn't made, no one would ever know...

Well if you watched the tour of the unibrow woman's home. There is no true personality. There seems to be no personal belongings. Just the basics beds, tables, whatever. The ONLY decor on the walls is pictures of that Jeffs guy who was/is the cult leader serving time for impregnating his 14 yr old cousin.

They are told that the outsiders only want to make them go to hell, and god knows whatelse. But the government kind of confirms that it is out to get them by taking their children. But the government can not hold adults with out probable cause.

I do believe these people are brainwashed. However, they know what they are doing. This group isn't just in Texas or Utah. It is any many parts of the country- also Mexico and Canada. I do believe that they have learned to get around laws and adapt through the generations to keep this cult going.

I'm not going to pretend that I know what is like to be truely brainwashed where I would pick something or someone over my children. But I am a big believer that "my parent beat me/was drunk every night/ never was around when I was a child, so that makes it ok for me to do the same" is a bunch of bullshit and is no excuse. The mothers apparently have had sex before, there is no doubt in my mind that they know deep down what is going is wrong. Maybe they are helpless, but they do have to be held accountable.

We do not see the men out their begging for their children. It is obvious the women are being used to pull on heart strings. But listen to their interviews - they sound very rehearsed.

momgoingbroke said:shopliftinginva said:iRabbitt said:shopliftinginva said:The government needs to keep a better eye on these people and not let them hole up in some compound to do whatever the hell they want.They should be able to have their compounds, just be subject to lawful searches w/a warrant like any other dwelling. ONe problem is that officials are afraid of them to a degree. and frequent, periodic searches whenever the government would like when the group has a history of something like this. I just don't know what the solution could be. Over 400 children need a safe environment and counseling, and so do all those women. Where do we come up with the money to pay for this?And how do you search without probable cause? You just can't show up every few months and say "we have a warrant to search" without a reason. I wouldn't even want the gov't to have that much power! probable cause is that they are holed up with little to no outside contact/accountability, and have committed crimes against children in the past. Social services could do it. They are allowed to show up at homes periodically with no notice.

Was I the only one surprised that this phone call was made from a cell phone? Now there seems to be confirming that a lady on the other side of the country made the phone calls.

Am I the only one that would think these people not be technology based enough for cellphones? But in the unibrow woman's home I thought I saw laptops too.

Beboparoo said:But I am a big believer that "my parent beat me/was drunk every night/ never was around when I was a child, so that makes it ok for me to do the same" is a bunch of bullshit and is no excuse.
It's not really an excuse that they use. It's the only way they know because that's what they saw as children. If you try to show them another life, they won't believe that it's real. It's the same reason why people keep going back into abusive relationships. It's not a logic thing, they're just going back into their comfort zone.