I checked Abercrombie & Fitch and can't find that style. It looks like they're sewing the tablecloths after they finish eating dinner into dresses. Any ideas?
I was wondering who does their hair. They all have the EXACT same hairstyle, with curves in the EXACT same places. Makes it look like they are all of the same bloodline....
momgoingbroke said: I was wondering who does their hair. They all have the EXACT same hairstyle, with curves in the EXACT same places. Makes it look like they are all of the same bloodline....
I was thinking about that too. Someone should tell them the beehive is no longer in style.
Beboparoo said: shopliftinginva said: Don't anyone tell Scott about the polygamy thing or he'll be converting to Mormon so he can have more women waiting on him.
Did you see that one chick's monobrow? You know if she has that they don't shave their legs or under their arms. No, I need to look this up now. Are there any pics online?
Beboparoo said: here she is... OMG!! I think that's the WORST unibrow I've ever seen.
Is it just that their hair is styled the same and their clothing is the same, or do these women appear to be related? Their faces look very similar. I read a book years ago about these types of Mormons (written by a woman who "escaped"). Some scary stuff. I'll see if I can find the name of the book.
shopliftinginva said: Is it just that their hair is styled the same and their clothing is the same, or do these women appear to be related? Their faces look very similar.
A lot of them are related, yes. But with re-assigning wives it would be hard for a child to keep up with who is real mom and dad.
Okay, it wasn't written by the woman, but she provided first hand accounts of what happens in these groups. It was pretty scary stuff. I think I stumbled into reading it because Kon Krakauer wrote "Into Thin Air" which I've read several times.
Beboparoo said: Are we allowed to discuss this weirdo cult? I know the wacky mods sometimes decides to view cults as religions *cough* scientology *cough*
There's some good stuff going on now w/that one, too (Jason Beghe's interview).
TM1
piñata
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:20a
These women are empty, catatonic....it's called brainwashing. They have no sense of reality, but I don't blame them. They are born into this culture and don't know anything else. At what point does someone step in and not allow another generation to be raised like this though? People in other states are allowed to marry at 15, not in Texas though. So, aside form the legal issues in this case, remove that component and how does this group of people choosing to live like they do really affect any of us? They aren't normal as the definition of what we call normal, but within their community they are. They aren't allowed to know anything different, does that make them bad people? People always judge others who don't dress, act, speak like what their perception of how people should act. Again, legal issues aside. I am not defending them, I am just wondering why, if they choose to live some odd,sheltered life within their compound, why should we care?
shopliftinginva said: Beboparoo said: shopliftinginva said: Don't anyone tell Scott about the polygamy thing or he'll be converting to Mormon so he can have more women waiting on him.Did you see that one chick's monobrow? You know if she has that they don't shave their legs or under their arms.No, I need to look this up now. Are there any pics online?Go to CNN. Because they actually got to take a look inside the compound with their cameras, they are showing this news almost without end.
TM1
piñata
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:24a
iRabbitt said: TM1 said: I am not defending them, I am just wondering why, if they choose to live some odd,sheltered life within their compound, why should we care?
The only reason we should care is that the children and women are being abused, and that they use their 'faith' to justify it.
Like I said, I am not defending them or anything abuse, I am looking at it from the angle of people having issues with them because they are different. That is why I asked at what point are they not alowed to raise another generation like this.
TM1 said: I am just wondering why, if they choose to live some odd,sheltered life within their compound, why should we care? Well, first off, age issues aside, it's against the law to have that many wives. If they keep going throughout generations, we're going to have a huge population of these people and they might no longer be a fringe minority in areas. What happens if some weirdo takes the reins at one of these compounds and start stockpiling weapons and decides to do something?
Wouldn't be the first time either.
I haven't followed this story, but although you have a point that right now they apparently are peacefully living their live, SOMETHING had to have been done to bring them to the eye of the government. I doubt they are the only group like that in this country.
iRabbitt said: TM1 said: I am not defending them, I am just wondering why, if they choose to live some odd,sheltered life within their compound, why should we care?The only reason we should care is that the children and women are being abused, and that they use their 'faith' to justify it.Exactly. They can have their uni-brows, prairie clothes, whatever, but when you allow girls as young as 13 to wed 50 year old men and carry their babies, then you've crossed the line.
Also. I am sick of seeing the sob stories on CNN. Have you noticed these women don't even cry with tears. One of the "rescued" said it is not allowed. It's just a sick atmosphere, but if they are over 18 and accept it...good for them.
StarPilot
MILF Consultant
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:29a
Thinking of starting the SP cult for wayward women.
StarPilot said: Thinking of starting the SP cult for wayward women. You've GOTTA let us cry though.
StarPilot
MILF Consultant
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:32a
shopliftinginva said: StarPilot said: Thinking of starting the SP cult for wayward women. You've GOTTA let us cry though.Deal,now go get us some DD.
TM1
piñata
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:32a
I have far bigger issues with fringe groups like white supremacists which are ALL over the U.S. and they have shit-piles of weapons. But people ignore them because on the outside, they fit into society better.
How you rehab these brainwashed cult people and assimilate them into a normal society at this point? I don;t know what the answer is, but there are a lot of polygamists in the U.S. not living on compounds. How does some guy get 1000s of people to buy in when he doesn't even live at this compound? It is my understanding that he moved the most devout followers from AZ/Co to start this community.
TM1 said: I have far bigger issues with fringe groups like white supremacists which are ALL over the U.S. and they have shit-piles of weapons. But people ignore them because on the outside, they fit into society better.They also live among us, which makes it even harder to detect what they are doing.
TM1
piñata
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:36a
momgoingbroke said: TM1 said: I have far bigger issues with fringe groups like white supremacists which are ALL over the U.S. and they have shit-piles of weapons. But people ignore them because on the outside, they fit into society better.They also live among us, which makes it even harder to detect what they are doing.
They have obvoius compounds and training facilities right around here in Baltimore; not hard to detect them here at all.
I read some information about these religious secs that when authorities pulled children out of them, the minute they turned 18, they went back. That is kind scary too.
If they didn't 'marry' the girls under 18, IMO it would be not be as big of a deal. What adults do together IMO is not our business as long as they don't hurt anyone else. Kids don't have a say in the matter, however--being forced into marriages at such a young age (esp. to icky old men) crosses the line.
TM1
piñata
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 10:47a
iRabbitt said: If they didn't 'marry' the girls under 18, IMO it would be not be as big of a deal. What adults do together IMO is not our business as long as they don't hurt anyone else. Kids don't have a say in the matter, however--being forced into marriages at such a young age (esp. to icky old men) crosses the line.
Agreed, but how is it fixed? I said more than once I didn't support this behavior, just wanted to make that clear again. I don't see disbanding it successful and they will just start up somewhere else, like most fringe groups do.
iRabbitt said: If they didn't 'marry' the girls under 18, IMO it would be not be as big of a deal. What adults do together IMO is not our business as long as they don't hurt anyone else. Kids don't have a say in the matter, however--being forced into marriages at such a young age (esp. to icky old men) crosses the line. And that was one of the things said by the woman interviewed in the book I read. If I remember correctly, she was being forced to wed a guy like 60 years old and she was a teen.
TM1 said: Agreed, but how is it fixed? I said more than once I didn't support this behavior, just wanted to make that clear again. I don't see disbanding it successful and they will just start up somewhere else, like most fringe groups do.
How is it fixed? Enforcing the laws that are in place, legislating ones which aren't. Yes, they'll just find another place to retreat--they always have. The kids always suffer.
iRabbitt said: shopliftinginva said: If I remember correctly, she was being forced to wed a guy like 60 years old and she was a teen.
That would be any normal teens worst nightmare--but like TM said most of these kids are so brainwashed they only repeat what's been drilled into them. well, this one escaped from it. It seems that every once in a while these weirdos produce a child who can think for themselves.
TM1
piñata
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 11:05a
Here is another problem I see. Mothers are supposed to protect their children. For most mothers, that is instinct and comes naturally because it is part of development that is passed down. Nobody is protecting these women, nobody protected them as children. They don't have that instinct because it was shown to them. They also only know one way, the way they were raised and they don;t think that there is anything wrong and don't think there is reason for protection from the other members. Not right, but is it their fault? These women are so removed from reality.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: Apr. 20, 2008 @ 11:07a
Beboparoo said: I was watching the news, and some said that the colors of their dresses have meaning.
The colors of their dresses tell which family they are part of. Also heard they never cut their hair. It's somehow intertwined, They believe the higher the hair the closer to G-d they are. I have no desire to have more than one wife, Putting up with the 3 girls in my house is more than enough for me
momgoingbroke said: TM1 said: I have far bigger issues with fringe groups like white supremacists which are ALL over the U.S. and they have shit-piles of weapons. But people ignore them because on the outside, they fit into society better.They also live among us, which makes it even harder to detect what they are doing. One of the big things I noticed when I moved to Virginia was how open some people are with their racism. If they are any indication of how white supremacists are, there's no hiding what they do. It's pretty out in the open how they feel and they tend to brag about their racism.
With groups like this one in Texas, they are cut off from the real world and no one knows what's going on in there. THAT's the part that scares me.
TM1 said: Here is another problem I see. Mothers are supposed to protect their children. For most mothers, that is instinct and comes naturally because it is part of development that is passed down. Nobody is protecting these women, nobody protected them as children. They don't have that instinct because it was shown to them. They also only know one way, the way they were raised and they don;t think that there is anything wrong and don't think there is reason for protection from the other members. Not right, but is it their fault? These women are so removed from reality.
But then does that leave 'brainwashed' mothers not-guilty of protecting their children? At what point in time does the responsibility begin to do the right thing?
And we know that a lot of mothers aren't born with that instinct, or they choose to ignore it.
Judge orders polygamist girl into foster care By Michelle Roberts The Associated Press
SAN ANGELO, Texas — A Texas judge has ordered a 14-year-old girl who was allegedly married to jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs be taken from her mother and placed in foster care. Texas District Judge Barbara Walther on Tuesday said there was "uncontroverted evidence of the underage marriage."
Witnesses for the state have argued during the custody hearing in San Angelo that the girl's mother, Barbara Jessop, isn't a suitable caregiver because the girl and several other children were involved in underage marriages. Walther said she was concerned that Jessop was unable to provide assurances the girl could be protected in the future. Walther, however, said the girl's 11-year-old brother would be allowed to stay with his mother.
Child welfare authorities have been investigating the cases of 440 children since the Texas Supreme Court ordered that the children removed from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in April be returned to their parents.
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