from the article "However, the union leadership did request and receive Eid al-Fitr (which is apparently spelled various ways including Id al-Fitr and Eid ul-Fitr) as a paid holiday in place of Labor Day," So the employees asked for it, and were given it.
My wife, a Protestant, grew up in a city here in Massachusetts. Her schools were closed for all Jewish holidays since 1/4 of the students would not attend.
Fact is, it's in the company's best interest to close that day . . . if the 20% figure is correct, 1/5th of the employees will be staying home . . . in a production environment like food processing, that amounts to a shutdown.
So, what day would you rather they traded it for?
The only thing that bothers me is the irony that the union gave up 'Labor Day'.
deathwish said: My wife, a Protestant, grew up in a city here in Massachusetts. Her schools were closed for all Jewish holidays since 1/4 of the students would not attend.
Fact is, it's in the company's best interest to close that day . . . if the 20% figure is correct, 1/5th of the employees will be staying home . . . in a production environment like food processing, that amounts to a shutdown.
So, what day would you rather they traded it for?
The only thing that bothers me is the irony that the union gave up 'Labor Day'. Actually, from the article, 700 of the 1200 employees are Muslim. KK took the statement that 250 were from one particular country and ran with that.
From reading up on comments, other days off that they get are The Team Member's birthday, New Year's Day, Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day.
I'm sure Martin Luther King Jr. Day would have been a better choice than Labor Day.
kamalktk said: deathwish said: My wife, a Protestant, grew up in a city here in Massachusetts. Her schools were closed for all Jewish holidays since 1/4 of the students would not attend.
Fact is, it's in the company's best interest to close that day . . . if the 20% figure is correct, 1/5th of the employees will be staying home . . . in a production environment like food processing, that amounts to a shutdown.
So, what day would you rather they traded it for?
The only thing that bothers me is the irony that the union gave up 'Labor Day'. Actually, from the article, 700 of the 1200 employees are Muslim. KK took the statement that 250 were from one particular country and ran with that.
So then roughly 60% of the plant will be vacant . . . yeah, I'd close it too . . . heck, if it were my plant, I'd SUGGEST it to the union.
KayK said: From reading up on comments, other days off that they get are The Team Member's birthday, New Year's Day, Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day.
I'm sure Martin Luther King Jr. Day would have been a better choice than Labor Day.
Isn't Labor Day a federal holiday?
Labor Day is a federal holiday, and it is also a holiday in all 50 states . . . and yes, MLK Day is as Federal day as well.
moonbeam said: kamalktk said: the employees asked for it, and were given it. Exactly. How is that disturbing? you know how.... it's being displayed by the people commenting on the newspaper website.
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This is why Companies should give employees a certain number of personal days to use for holidays other than Federal ones. Taking away Labor day is a disgrace.
moonbeam said: scott1961 said: This is why Companies should give employees a certain number of personal days to use for holidays other than Federal ones.
ITA. I'm surprised a company as big as Tyson doesn't already do it. They get their birthday, that's a personal holiday. Tyson doesn't want to have 9 days and insisted on 8 for whatever reason. The union could have given up the birthday and kept labor day.
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posted: Aug. 1, 2008 @ 6:18p
kamalktk said: They get their birthday, that's a personal holiday. Tyson doesn't want to have 9 days and insisted on 8 for whatever reason. The union could have given up the birthday and kept labor day. The option to remove a Federal Holiday should not have even been on the table. It's not a Religious Holiday just a nice traditional American Holiday. Seems we are losing our Country a bit at a time
scott1961 said: kamalktk said: They get their birthday, that's a personal holiday. Tyson doesn't want to have 9 days and insisted on 8 for whatever reason. The union could have given up the birthday and kept labor day. The option to remove a Federal Holiday should not have even been on the table. It's not a Religious Holiday just a nice traditional American Holiday. Well, shouldn't that be between the workers and the management? Some people have to work holidays after all.
kamalktk said: scott1961 said: kamalktk said: They get their birthday, that's a personal holiday. Tyson doesn't want to have 9 days and insisted on 8 for whatever reason. The union could have given up the birthday and kept labor day. The option to remove a Federal Holiday should not have even been on the table. It's not a Religious Holiday just a nice traditional American Holiday. Well, shouldn't that be between the workers and the management? Some people have to work holidays after all.
<nodding solemnly> True. Corgs has to work weekends and holidays.
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moonbeam said: kamalktk said: scott1961 said: kamalktk said: They get their birthday, that's a personal holiday. Tyson doesn't want to have 9 days and insisted on 8 for whatever reason. The union could have given up the birthday and kept labor day. The option to remove a Federal Holiday should not have even been on the table. It's not a Religious Holiday just a nice traditional American Holiday. Well, shouldn't that be between the workers and the management? Some people have to work holidays after all.
<nodding solemnly> True. Corgs has to work weekends and holidays. Sure people work Holidays and we listen to corgs whine about it, but at least it's still acknowledged, This just seems like they are making it disappear. Maybe it's just me but I like traditions and Labor day weekend is one of them
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scott1961 said: moonbeam said: kamalktk said: scott1961 said: kamalktk said: They get their birthday, that's a personal holiday. Tyson doesn't want to have 9 days and insisted on 8 for whatever reason. The union could have given up the birthday and kept labor day. The option to remove a Federal Holiday should not have even been on the table. It's not a Religious Holiday just a nice traditional American Holiday. Well, shouldn't that be between the workers and the management? Some people have to work holidays after all.
<nodding solemnly> True. Corgs has to work weekends and holidays. Sure people work Holidays and we listen to corgs whine about it, but at least it's still acknowledged, This just seems like they are making it disappear. Maybe it's just me but I like traditions and Labor day weekend is one of them
I am fairly new, but aren't you Jewish? Would you take Labor Day over the Jewish high holy days?
I am Christian, and if I had to choose between Easter and/or Christmas, I would give up Labor Day. I don't know much about the Islamic faith, but Eid/Il is a holy holiday.
youngranny said: Very disturbing.... Story HereOutrageous move by Tyson, which should lose a ton of business (mine included) as this becomes known. Someone over there wasn't thinking too straight when they replaced Labor Day, a Federal secular holiday, with a religious day.
If this were a Christian holiday the ACLU would be in court arguing that Tyson violated the rights of the other workers.
bridgeforsale said: youngranny said: Very disturbing.... Story HereOutrageous move by Tyson, which should lose a ton of business (mine included) as this becomes known. Someone over there wasn't thinking too straight when they replaced Labor Day, a Federal secular holiday, with a religious day.
If this were a Christian holiday the ACLU would be in court arguing that Tyson violated the rights of the other workers.
Did you even bother to read the story? It was the workers who requested the change.
bridgeforsale said: youngranny said: Very disturbing.... Story HereOutrageous move by Tyson, which should lose a ton of business (mine included) as this becomes known. Someone over there wasn't thinking too straight when they replaced Labor Day, a Federal secular holiday, with a religious day.
If this were a Christian holiday the ACLU would be in court arguing that Tyson violated the rights of the other workers. So should they have replaced Christmas instead? Why Christmas is even considered a Federal holiday is beyond me. It IS a religious holy day, not a secular holiday.
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posted: Aug. 2, 2008 @ 11:37a
kamalktk said: from the article "However, the union leadership did request and receive Eid al-Fitr (which is apparently spelled various ways including Id al-Fitr and Eid ul-Fitr) as a paid holiday in place of Labor Day," So the employees asked for it, and were given it.
There are 1200 employees total, 700 of them being Muslim, it was the Muslim community that asked for this.
youngranny said: kamalktk said: from the article "However, the union leadership did request and receive Eid al-Fitr (which is apparently spelled various ways including Id al-Fitr and Eid ul-Fitr) as a paid holiday in place of Labor Day," So the employees asked for it, and were given it.
There are 1200 employees total, 700 of them being Muslim, it was the Muslim community that asked for this. The union represents all employees, not just Muslim ones. The union did it's job, which is to represent the interests of the employees. From the article, the union rep is not named Osama Mohammad Hussein Bin Laden, but "Randy Hadley". It's telling you're not concerned as well about Chick-fil-a being closed Sundays because of the founder's religious beliefs.
Please take your bias elsewhere.
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posted: Aug. 2, 2008 @ 12:15p
This has nothing to do with bias this has to do with what is right and what is wrong. I know many, many people who work at this plant personally. They and myself have no qualms with any religion or people it is the fact their holiday has been taken away and replaced with a Muslim religious holiday. Some of these folks have been at this company for 17,18 and 19 years and are outraged at what Tyson has done. Ultimatley it was Tyson's decision to take this holiday, they have the final say so.
kamalktk said: Some people have to work holidays after all.
Word. I work all weekends and many holidays like Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Near Year's Eve, Good Friday. Even so, I can't complain because I never miss church!
Personally, I don't believe Muslims worship the true God (how's that for intolerance?) but I sure don't begrudge them asking to have a particular day off. Tyson Foods can do whatever it wants (or whatever it's shareholders want) within the laws where it operates.
My only issue is the irony of giving of Labor Day. To me, that day is set aside to honor workers, yet these people have to work. Couldn't they have yanked Presidents Day or MLK Day? It's also another day that working parents have to find and pay for childcare because their kid is out of school while they are working.
Kandykornhead said: momgoingbroke said: Couldn't they have yanked Presidents Day or MLK Day?
Yeah right.You may be correct. A few years ago, the policy in my school district was that if a snow day happened, the very next holiday would be forfeited to make up the time. So, it snowed one year and MLK was the next holiday but 'some' in our community complained so much, that the district scrapped the plans to have school on MLK day and instead we made up the snow day on President's day. Go figure.
The very next year, the district rewrote their snow day policy and MLK day is now way down the list of days that will be used for make-up days. Not to worry though, because we only average about one snow day every other year. MLK Day is basically untouchable.
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posted: Aug. 2, 2008 @ 3:42p
We don't give off MLK day at my company, A few employees do take it off but once again they use vacation or sick time for it
Kandykornhead said: Personally, I don't believe Muslims worship the true God (how's that for intolerance?)
More ignorance than intolerance, actually. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions, descending from the same spiritual source. So, if you don't believe Muslims worship the "true god," then you don't believe Christians and Jews do, either.
but I sure don't begrudge them asking to have a particular day off. Tyson Foods can do whatever it wants (or whatever it's shareholders want) within the laws where it operates.
ITA. There's nothing disturbing about management giving the employees what they requested.
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posted: Aug. 2, 2008 @ 4:16p
moonbeam said:
ITA. There's nothing disturbing about management giving the employees what they requested. But I'm very sure that does not apply to all employees. What about the ones who were against it? Many like that Monday Holiday to do one last vacation before School starts. But I guess the majority won, Kind of sucks when Americans become the minority here. Well at least Hormel will never have this problem
kamalktk said: Well, shouldn't that be between the workers and the management? Some people have to work holidays after all.
Word. I think I've worked Labor day every year since '01, when I was still a student. I work for a college, and labor day weekend is also move-in weekend, when the students come back to campus. While it is a holiday, we are required to work at least one day that weekend, and I always offer to work all three, since I get overtime for it.
Xnarg said: turtlebug said: Labor Day is back"Union officials have said at least a couple hundred of the 1,200 plant workers are Muslim...
Muslim civil rights advocates criticized Tyson Foods, and a union official said the company's response was disingenuous.
"...It seems that this backtracking would be the result of the backlash from anti-Muslim hate (Web) sites and Islamophobes on the Internet," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for Washington D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations."Hooper is an islamist provocateur, no sense paying attention to him or his organization. Of more importance are these facts from the article:
Tyson had previously agreed to drop Labor Day and substitute the Muslim holiday as part of a new 5-year contract to accommodate Muslim workers at the plant in Shelbyville, which is about 50 miles south of Nashville. The decision sparked widespread criticism, from local politicians to talk radio to the Internet.
The Springdale, Ark.-based company said it requested reinstating Labor Day after complaints from plant workers and the public.
Union members voted Thursday to reinstate Labor Day as one of the plant's paid holidays and keep Eid al-Fitr as an additional paid holiday for this year only. For the remainder of the contract, workers will have Labor Day and a personal holiday, which can be used to observe Eid al-Fitr or another day the employee's supervisor approves.
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