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GIVE NORTH DAKOTA BACK TO THE INDIANS!!!!

HOPEFULLY THE ENTIRE STATE WILL FLOOD!!!!!!!



WarpedAlien said: This story is factual and true to the best of my knowledge. The names have been changed to protect the innocent (the truly innocent).
This is the story of someone who is NOT a criminal/ bad parent/ bum/ lazy/ rich/ or insane person. This is the story of a person caught in a corrupt legal system that seemingly is out for blood and money regardless of whom it hurts.

In 1990 Sam decided to join the United States Air Force at the age of 23. Going to college was getting expensive and his parents did not support him going to school, so he enlisted. Then went thru the usual military boot camp and training then off to his first base in North Dakota. While not his first choice being from Florida it was a challenge to live in a frozen barren land and he was up to the challenge.
In 1992 he met a girl and her friends at a party on the base. In fact there was way too much partying on the base being as there was no where to go when snowed in and freezing most of the time. Drinking until one couldn’t move was not out of the question. The girl he met kept coming around and eventually they got drunk together one evening and went to his room where to this day he still has no complete recollection of what happened that night. The girl came around again a few weeks later but wasn’t interested in a relationship and Sam found out she came around just to sleep with his buddies. She eventually did not come on the base anymore and he never saw or heard from her again.
That is until late 1994 after returning from almost 2 months of being away on Air Force assignment he found two letters in the two boxes of mail that had been saved at the base post office. One letter was dated the prior month concerning a hearing that he was suppose to attend in Fargo, ND and the other was the hearing outcome since he missed that hearing. This outcome was: you’re now a dad and owe child support on a 2 year old boy. What, No testing, No communication, and No contacting his superiors or the base legal office. Just filing a default judgment against him without any notification. Sam immediately called the base legal office for an appointment and then called the North Dakota Child Support Enforcement Agency whom gave him nothing but grief and said there was nothing they can do and your pay will be garnished soon for $300.00 a month. On a poverty level Airman’s salary of less than 14k a year this is a huge chunk of money. He called this agency again and told them again that he was in the military and was not on the base when all of this happened nor was he afforded the ability to get a blood test to prove or disprove fatherhood. He brought this same argument up with the base legal office that he still thinks did absolutely nothing even though they were civilian attorneys. They may have even made the case worse. Still not knowing if he was the father or recognizing the mothers name on the paperwork they began to garnish his paycheck without any proof of his being a father. In late 1995 he was moved (not by choice) to a base in Shreveport, LA. Here he continued to argue and fight himself in vain. He even tried to contact the mother in which the mother decided he needed to be punished or something and sent a fake suicide letter thru the local sheriff’s office which went to his first sergeant. The one thing she did not know was Sam was home in Florida for a whole month at Christmas and New Years. Even though he filed charges against her nothing was done. Now he is at his wits end with this and decides to leave the Air Force as to not keep paying child support to a crazy mother and child he does not know. If he even knows the mother.
In 1996 Sam gets an honorable discharge from the Air Force and moves home to Florida to begin looking for a new life, job and a place to live. Ends up moving in with his parents until he finds a job at the Cape. Almost a year goes by and he has moved into a rental home before the North Dakota Child Support Enforcement Agency attempts to track him down at his parent’s house. They finally find him and serve him a local court notice to appear. He appears and immediately complains to the local court about this case. The judge requests he transfer the case to Florida control which he does. Again without proof of being the father he is forced to pay child support now thru Florida Child Support agency which goes to North Dakota some how. They begin garnishing his checks again and added more money for the arrears he owes. Now paying $350.00 per month from his pay for a child he does not know is his. He continues the argument to no avail and is forced to pay. Nothing changes until 2001.
In 2001 he marries a great loving and kind woman. She is also an attorney. She manages to get a blood test set up and Sam takes the test (paying for it himself) and the mother and child do their part in ND. Turns out that this mother is the girl he dated shortly and had drunken relations with under another name she had given him. He is in fact the father of a boy whom was 2 years old when he was first notified of his existence and is now 8 years old. Still he does not know the boy or what he looks like. This continues to get under his skin and haunt him as this is exactly what his real father did to him only his real father knew he existed. And the child support payments continue. The case was also transferred back to North Dakota and Sam paid over $2,000.00 to pay off the arrears due.
The unfortunate thing about Sam’s paying child support is he gets paid weekly and since he has NO control over the amount paid due to being a garnishment between North Dakota and his employer. Not enough money is paid certain months and others more than needed. The North Dakota Child Support Enforcement Dictators say they don’t but in actuality they do charge him interest on the months not paid in full. This creates arrears again. Again the North Dakota Child Support Dictators say this does not happen. He continues to pay until 2007.
In 2007 North Dakota suddenly decides he should pay for medical insurance too. They take this from his check by going thru his company’s legal dept. The company takes their word for it and gives them the insurance even though Sam does not have medical insurance with the company since it costs less being on his wife’s insurance. Unfortunately the insurance they have stolen from his check is useless in North Dakota. He and his wife argue with the State of North Dakota (child support, governor ...Etc…) about this for weeks until they finally agree to let him buy the child insurance on his own from a North Dakota agency. This costs over $900.00 a year above and beyond the monthly child support. They still charge him interest for not paying the full amount on the short months as he gets paid weekly. So there are still arrears and the state of Child Support dictators say there is not and it all equals out for the year, yet their own website clearly shows the interest he owes and arrears. Arguing with the heads of government or the Child Support agency on this matter is completely useless as they are too stupid to understand how this is true. They even threatened Sam’s wife to stop bothering them. He continues to pay support and has a medical insurance policy for his son he does not know.
In 2008, North Dakota is at it again. Now they decide he should be paying the arrears they previously said he does not have and it equals out at the end of the year. They change the rate from $56 a week to $69 a week to pay the arrears that don’t exist according to their own people. Now it’s March 2008 and the Child Support Dictators strike again. Now they decide to review what Sam’s salary really is and decide he should be paying $653.00 a month instead of the $300.00 he has been paying since 1994. More than doubling his support to a child who is now 16 years old and living in North Dakota. Sam has two children with his wife whom are 9 months and 3 years old (he and his wife adopted the 3 year old). These two children where supposedly considered when figuring the amount he should be paying. In reality they are NOT and 1/3rd of his monthly check is now going to North Dakota. In North Dakota whole families live on less than this in a brand new home. Now Sam is sure he is paying for his sons Mother, her boyfriend and her new child to live happily in North Dakota without having to work for themselves and it shows on the mothers my space site. Now in 2009 they begin taking $653.00 a month by force starting in May and too add more insult to injury they back dated it to start in March 2009 so now Sam has more than $800 in arrears which puts him into DEATBEAT parent status in they eyes of a corrupt North Dakota Legal system giving too much power to the North Dakota Child Support Enforcement Agency Dictator by Mike Schwindt and his fellow liberal non-custodial parent hating staff. And this is where poor Sam sees no end in site and he prays that the whole state of North Dakota will flood.

The story ends as Sam is forced to pay up or be threatened with jail. His only way out of this is too hide, quit his job or die. Two of them will make more arrears and the other is final. He has a wife and two small children and other family member who depend on him. Being in the military and now being a military veteran does not help him. He cannot afford to hire an attorney whom will probably not be able to do anything as the Child Support Agency is more powerful than most state governments. Sam would really like to know his oldest son, but he has NO visitation rights and does not want anything to do with the mother.
Who are the innocents here? The innocents are the children that the Child Support Agency claims they are protecting by stating “In the Best Interest of the Children” constantly in their writings and website. The reality of the Child Support Agency is they have driven a wedge between parents which ultimately hurts the child involved.. This wedge then extends out to both families involved damaging relationships between the parents and other children. In Sam’s case, His children now have less support than before and they will have to undergo a huge change to their daily routines. It’s obvious that children under 5 require more support than teenagers. So the victims in both families involved are the children. But the Child Support Agencies all across America are given more power than the state governments and continue to reign spreading their terror on all non-custodial parents regardless if the parent has ever met the child in question.

There is a Revolution calling and change needs to be made in order to keep families together. I am certain that Sam is not the only parent FORCED to be a DEAD BEAT parent.

 

Written by a good friend and co-worker who may loose his home due to this and his wife loosing her job soon. He wanted for us to share this because he knows there has to be others.
summary?


leave the country. Seriously.


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read.butinoticeda lot
of loosingattheend.loosewifenotgood.


Won't the kid be 18 in a year?


So there's no actual finance issue here, accept perhaps a token one that serves as an excuse (and a poor one, at that) for a rant?

Rhetorical question.


So "Sam" is actually the father? I don't see the problem.

Further, I doubt that even in ND it's possible to live a life of luxury in a "brand new home" on $653 a month.

Oh, and they know what causes pregnancy these days.


If you are not "Sam", how are you related to him?


leave the forum. Seriously.


jobless attorney ? oxymoron?


The names have been changed to protect the innocent (the truly innocent).

Who are the innocent? I only see the child as the innocent one and his name wasn't given.


uutxs said: If you are not "Sam", how are you related to him?
Deleted movie reference and resisted Dr. Suess reference.


WarpedAlien said: Going to college was getting expensive and his parents did not support him going to school, so he enlisted

Moral of the story... pay for your kids college education and don't let them join the military.

What is your take away from this story?


tazzy531 said: What is your take away from this story?

Always wear a jimmy hat when boinking sluts.


tazzy531 said: What is your take away from this story?

The message I got was "the family court system sucks, do everything in your power to avoid having to deal with it."

Sleeping with people when you're black out drunk is also not a fantastic idea.


Sounds like the movie Officer and a Gentleman


Sounds like a reasonable motive for murder.


It did turn out to be your biological son. How much more pissed would you be if he was not and they still make you pay. Yes, they can do this.


xoneinax said: and they still make you pay. Yes, they can do this.

does watching count too then...?


Shouldn't be a problem as the poster is an Alien

codename47 said: leave the country. Seriously.


LiVeOrDiE said: does watching count too then...?Yes, it does ! When in Amsterdam watching those shows, I demanded and shouted in my best Dutch that he wear a condom.


The kid was his but it took him till he was 8 before doing anything about it. That is 9 years. The poor kid


glxpass said: uutxs said: If you are not "Sam", how are you related to him?
Deleted movie reference and resisted Dr. Suess reference.

It's the one armed man's fault.

/seriously. Wall of text.


It seems to me he put is head in the sand and hoped the problem would go away. Doing nothing didn't work and only compounded the problem.

I was in the military during this time period and child support was the biggest ripoff. The military pays you more if you have dependents. Have a bastard child, gain a dependent, get a pay increase. Often times, child support would just happen to be the same amount as the pay increase (~$250/month). The pay increase (BAQ)was even tax free. Reality hits when the get out and realize they have an 18 yr installment loan. Then rant about how unfair the system is.


Be glad he's your son.

My brother had to pay his ex for 3 kids that were not even born to him during the marriage. She had the kids after they divorced.


Considering the circumstances, I bet Sam wished he had chosen to be gay and saved himself the aggravation.


I'm trying to figure out why he kept complaining about not being a part of the kid's life and then NEVER doing anything to be a part of it.

From what I can tell, he "wanted to be a part of the kid's life but didn't want anything to do with the mother" so he didn't do anything at all.

Personally, if I had a child in this situation, I would be the kid's father first. Then I'd bitch about how unfair things are, but I'd still be there for my son.

And I wouldn't complain for 16 years and 2000 miles away that I don't ever get to see my son. I'd make it happen.


mttatkns said: summary?

Stay away from alcohol.


vaylon said: Considering the circumstances, I bet Sam wished he had chosen to be gay and saved himself the aggravation.

Silly gay people wanting the right to get married. If they knew what was good for them they'd be grateful they can't get hitched


WarpedAlien said:
In 1992 he met a girl

PICS??? I hear north dakota chicks are HOT. If she is hot I won't feel as bad for the OP.

why all the red? I found it entertaining. The kid's almost 18, but he should have done more right in the beginning. She should've had an abortion in the first place. Could it be possible the blood test was rigged? The slut seems like one real b****.


Proving once again that the most expensive piece of ass is the "free" one.


Wow, just wow.
I won't get into the money, child suport issues however I will chime in on the visitation part.
No court is allowed to equate child support with the visitation rights of either parent. If one does or does not pay child support, a person is still allowed visitation with their child.
That being said, Sam needs to get off his a$s and take a proacvtive part in the last 16 or 17 years of his own life. If he ignores this it is not going to go away; history has proven this.
His first move is to contact the Support Enforcement Officers or the ND family court and demand a paternity test. His lawyer-wife should know best of whom to contact first.
When he makes that move and gets the results, it will determine what his next move(s) should be.


WashingtonState said: \demand a paternity test. His lawyer-wife should know best of whom to contact first.
When he makes that move and gets the results, it will determine what his next move(s) should be.

He did, but waited over 10 years! It came up his, but I would do a 2nd one by an unbiased 3rd party just to be sure. Imagine the look on her face when he sues for his damages when he sues for all the support he paid, plus interest.


this thread had the opportunity to be one of the greatest walls of text ever on FWF... but OP even failed at that.


PolarDude said: WashingtonState said: demand a paternity test. His lawyer-wife should know best of whom to contact first.
When he makes that move and gets the results, it will determine what his next move(s) should be.


He did, but waited over 10 years! It came up his, but I would do a 2nd one by an unbiased 3rd party just to be sure. Imagine the look on her face when he sues for his damages when he sues for all the support he paid, plus interest.

Whoops, I read and reread the post but missed that. Thanks
Also, Sam needs to be in contact with anyone and any office that he's had contact with in ND and Florida regarding this matter and ask to have copies of these files--Support Enforcement, court system, base legal office. Did he keep any records?


Call me Ishmael.


Executive summary:


Sam had sex with random stranger.
3 Years later, court in N.D. orders child support on a 2 year old boy.
Paternity test proved positive.
Sam thinks his child support is "paying for his son's Mother, her boyfriend, and her new child to live happily in North Dakota without having to work for themselves and it shows on the mothers Myspace site"


Wow dude, "Sam" really expects to be handed everything on a silver tray. Get up off your butt and do something.


gtalum said: tazzy531 said: What is your take away from this story?

Always wear a jimmy hat whether or not you are boinking sluts, nice girls, or otherwise.

fixed

If you are not ready to be a parent do not take the risk of not only the possibility of a scenario like the one retold by the op, but being exposed to STDS - the gift that keeps on giving.


plopasaurus


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Whiners and victims... in their own mind.




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