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reuse condoms.... just flip them inside out right?
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Got mine also, Anyone know any good ways to reuse FW delete PM's? Cause I got a ton of them
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RS4Rings said: Got mine also, Anyone know any good ways to reuse FW delete PM's? Cause I got a ton of them
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I got my deletion too. off-topic is serious sometimes, joking sometimes, scathing sometimes. I had to endure my virtual hazing, why must not others?
Xnarg
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posted: Jul. 3, 2009 @ 5:43p
There have been several of my posts that I thought were indeed highly constructive to the original topic but they were removed for that reason.
Because mods only infrequently sign their names, it is very difficult to engage in a dialogue to find out what was not constructive. Having a different mod answer (which may be what happens when you use the support ticket) is close to useless.
I didn't make the deletions, but I think I would've made the same call on that thread.
It's not that your particular brand of humor is too much for us to take, really. The issue was the OP asked everyone to participate in a serious discussion, and half of the replies made a mockery of it. OT *does* mean relaxed rules, and we don't moderate as heavily, but it doesn't mean every topic is a target for witticisms or derailment.
It doesn't mean anything posted was particularly offensive, or that we couldn't handle the edginess or anything. It just didn't belong in the conversation and made it harder to follow, and then continued after we initially asked everyone to ease up.
Basically, have fun, joke around, but please resist the urge to demonstrate how hilarious you are in *every* topic, at least the ones where the goal is to carry on a meaningful discussion.
DM and I were talking, and we've decided to re-open this thread for discussion. This is a unique case. We haven't had a lot of attempts at "serious" threads in OT, a place where we can go to expect humor.
The biggest issue on our end that led to the deletions isn't whether the posts where humorous, but because the OP wanted to have a thread filled with good ideas. When the number of humorous posts outnumbers the sincere suggestions, it makes the thread worthless. Therefore, the non-relevant posts were removed, and the thread was moved to DD (even though it technically would go into OT).
Right now, the first thing I want to make sure of is that everyone understands what happened and why.
Xnarg
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posted: Jul. 3, 2009 @ 8:09p
I don't know how to measure the relative worth of humorous and constructive posts.
Too, often a tremendous amount of truth can be couched in humor.
Oh, and regarding direct contact with the anonymous mod with whom one has an issue, if you send in a support ticket it will probably go to the mod on duty who did the deed to address, assuming she or he is there. So sending in a support ticket is actually a good way to get direct answers. And if you want, you could say something in it like, "I'd like to talk directly to the mod who deleted my post. I'm willing to wait a reply if s/he is not in."
Xnarg
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posted: Jul. 3, 2009 @ 8:15p
VBMcGB said: Oh, and regarding direct contact with the anonymous mod with whom one has an issue, if you send in a support ticket it will probably go to the mod on duty who did the deed to address, assuming she or he is there. So sending in a support ticket is actually a good way to get direct answers. And if you want, you could say something in it like, "I'd like to talk directly to the mod who deleted my post. I'm willing to wait a reply if s/he is not in."Why not just have the mods sign their notices of thread deletions, to facilitate direct communication?
Xnarg said: VBMcGB said: Oh, and regarding direct contact with the anonymous mod with whom one has an issue, if you send in a support ticket it will probably go to the mod on duty who did the deed to address, assuming she or he is there. So sending in a support ticket is actually a good way to get direct answers. And if you want, you could say something in it like, "I'd like to talk directly to the mod who deleted my post. I'm willing to wait a reply if s/he is not in."Why not just have the mods sign their notices of thread deletions, to facilitate direct communication?Currently, we don't have a policy that requires mods to sign mod alerts. That's up to the mod. And, as far as I know, nobody signs canned deletion responses (not even me who tries to sign everything else).
Personally, I believe it best to leave it as a matter of choice, though I choose to sign. Direct communication is one of the reasons that I try to let people know who I am when I respond to them. I find the Mod Alert system ill-equipped for back-and-forth conversations. At least then people can send me a direct PM.
Xnarg said: Too, often a tremendous amount of truth can be couched in humor.If you'd like to explain how "eat your own vomit" contains a bit of frugal wisdom, I might be persuaded that this argument applies to this situation.
I think humor is a really effective tool for communicating. I think it could have been used to enhance the discussion and keep it fun. Unfortunately, it turned into a game of out-useless-ing the previous comment. Still fine, until it continued after a moderator had asked everyone to put on the brakes and try to leave the discussion in tact.
i also have posted relevant information that has been deleted. i usually just reword it and repost. this usually works. must be the tone that comes across wrong. /shrugs/
i do have to say that the mods are more helpful and polite than in the past and i appreciate it.
pecanpie said: i also have posted relevant information that has been deleted. i usually just reword it and repost. this usually works. must be the tone that comes across wrong.I think this is something we need to remember, but it's tough. I've had my share of arguments where I've defended a post or two by applying the "best possible interpretation" of something a user has posted. I've also completely missed the meaning of a post because I'm absolutely positive that's what I would mean if I typed it.
It really, really sucks when you get it wrong, too.
Robert A. Heinlein's infamous character, Lazarus Long frequently referred to Mrs. Grundy, and she even makes it into his Notebooks.
Jstkiddn
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posted: Jul. 4, 2009 @ 12:19a
DevilMonkey said: Basically, have fun, joke around, but please resist the urge to demonstrate how hilarious you are in *every* topic, at least the ones where the goal is to carry on a meaningful discussion.
Which would be why FWOT is no longer FWOT.
Yeah, this will probably be removed because it isn't contructive.
Jstkiddn said: DevilMonkey said: Basically, have fun, joke around, but please resist the urge to demonstrate how hilarious you are in *every* topic, at least the ones where the goal is to carry on a meaningful discussion.
Which would be why FWOT is no longer FWOT.
I would think that DevilMonkey's statement also coincides with showing respect to the OP. Seeing joke after joke after you've done lots of work/research on your thread could be disappointing to some.
Meaningful discussion type of threads don't pop up very often in OT. Should threads like the "Reuse or Repurpose" have a place of their own besides OT? Deal Discussion if frugal (since we are a deal site and it's all about saving money)
MuffinFW said: Meaningful discussion type of threads don't pop up very often in OT. Should threads like the "Reuse or Repurpose" have a place of their own besides OT?A good place for threads like that would be OTPC.
Xnarg
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posted: Jul. 4, 2009 @ 8:09a
DevilMonkey said: Xnarg said: Too, often a tremendous amount of truth can be couched in humor.If you'd like to explain how "eat your own vomit" contains a bit of frugal wisdom, I might be persuaded that this argument applies to this situation.
I think humor is a really effective tool for communicating. I think it could have been used to enhance the discussion and keep it fun. Unfortunately, it turned into a game of out-useless-ing the previous comment. Still fine, until it continued after a moderator had asked everyone to put on the brakes and try to leave the discussion in tact.
Does this distinction make sense at all?I wasn't referring to any specific comment.
There is no guarantee that either meaningful or humorous comments carry weight or hit their target. Are we censoring all the misses now?
Xnarg
Senior Member - 5K
posted: Jul. 4, 2009 @ 8:10a
qcumber98 said: But I really do reuse underwear by wearing them inside out.There's also the option of turning them around for another 2x usage!
VBMcGB said: The biggest issue on our end that led to the deletions isn't whether the posts where humorous, but because the OP wanted to have a thread filled with good ideas. When the number of humorous posts outnumbers the sincere suggestions, it makes the thread worthless. Therefore, the non-relevant posts were removed, and the thread was moved to DD (even though it technically would go into OT).
Right now, the first thing I want to make sure of is that everyone understands what happened and why.How about when the number of OPs replies in his own thread outnumbers the number of other members replies? Because that thread now has a total of seven replies (excluding the one from the mod), FOUR of which are from the OP himself.
0AfterRebates said: They hardly ever bother to send me a PM anymore.My friend got banned from here and didn't receive a PM, email, or anything. Must be a new regime. Get banned for no good reason.
LostConsumer said: How about when the number of OPs replies in his own thread outnumbers the number of other members replies? Because that thread now has a total of seven replies (excluding the one from the mod), FOUR of which are from the OP himself.
Doesn't seem very constructive to me.As long as the suggestions are legit ways of living frugally, I don't see why this would be a problem. Ideally, multiple suggestions would be in one post, but it isn't necessary.
under the: Moderator Comment: If you wish to discuss the action taken, please send in a support ticket. Thanks!
I don't see any difference between the topics, and mine was locked and this one had moderator discussion, which is what I wanted.Originally, we locked this thread. But, since this is a relatively unique instance, we thought it best to reopen it to discuss why the "Reuse" thread was an anomaly. Basically, we have a situation where the OP wants to have a serious thread, which so happened to fit best under the OT umbrella. OTers treated it like a typical OT thread. We tried to let everyone know what we wanted to happen. Apparently we didn't communicate that well enough, and posts were deleted. Confusion ensued. Now, we're having a conversation so that everyone understands what happened and why. This is why this thread is currently open.
In the case of the thread you linked to, that isn't related to a unique situation that needed a public explanation. If you don't understand why a post was removed under normal circumstances, the appropriate thing to do is to send in a Support Ticket and ask, rather than creating a thread in OT.
qcumber98 said: 0AfterRebates said: They hardly ever bother to send me a PM anymore.My friend got banned from here and didn't receive a PM, email, or anything. Must be a new regime. Get banned for no good reason. You have a PM.
Jstkiddn said: DevilMonkey said: Basically, have fun, joke around, but please resist the urge to demonstrate how hilarious you are in *every* topic, at least the ones where the goal is to carry on a meaningful discussion.Which would be why FWOT is no longer FWOT.
Yeah, this will probably be removed because it isn't contructive.Sorry if I wasn't clear on this earlier:
I happen to like the jokes, the asides, the meaningless replies in OT. I think it very much is what FWOT is about. I tried to explain it by saying the random comments were *still OK* as far as I was concerned, but that when we'd asked to let the thread go back on topic, that was when it crossed the line.
The cleaning up had *nothing* to do with any ulterior motives... it was moved to Deal Discussion, where we thought the topic belonged. In its new home, most people should be expecting discussions to remain at least somewhat on topic, and a string of funny (some more than others) but unhelpful replies didn't seem to make sense.
So nothing was overly offensive or inappropriate or even 'unworthy' of FWOT. It simply wasn't useful to the discussion, and the discussion was moved to more 'formal' areas of the site.
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