viperlance said: So the dad has no say on abortion but the mom can make whatever decision she wants in terms of abortion?
Not exactly fair and/or equal isn't it?
nope.
viperlance
Crotch-tastic
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:07a
Hmmm I always thought that we are stirifing for gender equality? So if we are not strifing for equality here why are we strifing for equality on different aspects of our lives?
RS4Rings
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posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:09a
viperlance said: Hmmm I always thought that we are stirifing for gender equality? Become gay, Problem solved
viperlance
Crotch-tastic
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:10a
Digidoll said: Can she demand you get castrated as well?
That was an invalid and illogical response - Assuming that this is not rape (if this is rape then the original question will be void - Instead of worrying for child support, we should be worrying about putting the SOB behind bars - and then yes castrate the guy)
Anyway assuming that this was not due to rape, the sexual encounter was consentual and both party wanted it to happen - If they both wanted it to happen, she has no rights to demand anything from the guy.
Think about it this way, if 2 guys step up into a boxing match, the one who gets knocked out cannot sue the guy who knocked him out for beating the crap out of him.
viperlance said: Digidoll said: Can she demand you get castrated as well?
That was an invalid and illogical response - Assuming that this is not rape (if this is rape then the original question will be void - Instead of worrying for child support, we should be worrying about putting the SOB behind bars - and then yes castrate the guy)
Anyway assuming that this was not due to rape, the sexual encounter was consentual and both party wanted it to happen - If they both wanted it to happen, she has no rights to demand anything from the guy.
Think about it this way, if 2 guys step up into a boxing match, the one who gets knocked out cannot sue the guy who knocked him out for beating the crap out of him.
i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support. but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
RS4Rings
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posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:18a
viperlance said:
Anyway assuming that this was not due to rape, the sexual encounter was consentual and both party wanted it to happen - If they both wanted it to happen, she has no rights to demand anything from the guy.
It's her body the baby is in so she gets to decide, The End
RS4Rings
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posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:20a
pecanpie said:
i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support. Then the guy should get a vasectomy, Otherwise you have to know anytime you have sex there is a chance of a child. Guy gets off easy just having to pay some child support
if you can't keep it in your pants, then you need to at wear protection ... ALWAYS!
viperlance
Crotch-tastic
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:38a
pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
RS4Rings
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posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 7:41a
viperlance said: What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach Then take the hands on approach, Problem solved
viperlance said: So the dad has no say on abortion but the mom can make whatever decision she wants in terms of abortion?
Not exactly fair and/or equal isn't it? Well really the kid gets the say which is to live. Since the kid is a parasite on the moms health our laws allow the mom to kill her kid. It is a rish and But in reality the kid has a say that says it wants to live. The dad is no longer physically having demands put upon him during pregnancy. So biologically the guy gets less say at that point.
NO, a choice to be a parent is decided only on the mother. She decides if she wants to have child or get abortion in case she doesn't want to be pregnant. The father has no choice though it took 2 to tango, only 1 has any rights at all. If the father wanted the baby even if the mother wants to abort, still has no paternal rights.
Only thing that is equal is nothing at all. it seems it is one sided. :rolls eyes:
viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
pecanpie said: viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
rather simple process it seems.
my best solution is to offer a $$$ payout to persuade what you are seeking, chances are she may take you up on it, if so, consider yourself getting out cheap. $20, 000 compared to many $$$ x over 18 years.
this is not a right versus wrong debate, since it is legal.
FrugalFreak said: pecanpie said: viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
rather simple process it seems.
well, there are other aspects that i don't agree on. like in PA, i think that if a woman tries to get any type of govt help then the govt goes after the father for support. what if the woman doesn't want the man involved in her life? i realize the state needs to get money from somewhere, but i think sometimes things are better left alone. with that said, i don't think anyone should stay on welfare for ever either. that is what i meant by complicated ... different aspects of the laws.
JackieJ828
Graceful Member
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:07a
viperlance said: Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?
Any person that demands an abortion is a terrible person.
pecanpie said: FrugalFreak said: pecanpie said: viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
rather simple process it seems.
well, there are other aspects that i don't agree on. like in PA, i think that if a woman tries to get any type of govt help then the govt goes after the father for support. what if the woman doesn't want the man involved in her life? i realize the state needs to get money from somewhere, but i think sometimes things are better left alone. with that said, i don't think anyone should stay on welfare for ever either. that is what i meant by complicated ... different aspects of the laws.
it was a joke, I meant the act that gets this situation to begin with.
FrugalFreak said: pecanpie said: FrugalFreak said: pecanpie said: viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
rather simple process it seems.
well, there are other aspects that i don't agree on. like in PA, i think that if a woman tries to get any type of govt help then the govt goes after the father for support. what if the woman doesn't want the man involved in her life? i realize the state needs to get money from somewhere, but i think sometimes things are better left alone. with that said, i don't think anyone should stay on welfare for ever either. that is what i meant by complicated ... different aspects of the laws.
it was a joke, I meant the act that gets this situation to begin with.
guess i'm slow today.
RS4Rings
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posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:10a
JackieJ828 said: viperlance said: Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?
You would be a horrible person if you demanded an abortion. Now heres where it can get complicated, What if the guy wants the kid but the girl demands an abortion? Is she a horrible person?
JackieJ828
Graceful Member
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:11a
RS4Rings said: JackieJ828 said: viperlance said: Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?
You would be a horrible person if you demanded an abortion. Now heres where it can get complicated, What if the guy wants the kid but the girl demands an abortion? Is she a horrible person?
A girl wouldn't demand an abortion, she would just go get one. I'm saying anyone that forces it upon an unwilling person is wrong.
viperlance said: Digidoll said: Can she demand you get castrated as well?
That was an invalid and illogical response - Here is the logic of it. If you ask her to have a surgical procedure, why can't she ask you to have a surgical procedure? Are you not for equality?
Jstkiddn
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:12a
Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.
Just sayin'.
RS4Rings
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posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:12a
JackieJ828 said: A girl wouldn't demand an abortion, she would just go get one. I'm saying anyone that forces it upon an unwilling person is wrong. If the girl goes off and gets the abortion against his wishes then it's pretty much the same thing as him demanding she gets one
JackieJ828
Graceful Member
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:13a
Jstkiddn said: Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.
Just sayin'.
Well we're not all angels like you.
Jstkiddn
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:15a
JackieJ828 said: Jstkiddn said: Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.
Just sayin'.
Well we're not all angels like you.
Pfftt!! I'm no angel. Just saying that as I've grown older, I'm beginning to see the wisdom in some of those old fashioned ideas. Maybe they weren't as dumb as I thought they were when I was younger.
Jstkiddn said: Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.
Just sayin'.
then how would you know if you wanted to marry if you didn't know how the sex was?
JackieJ828
Graceful Member
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:15a
Jstkiddn said: JackieJ828 said: Jstkiddn said: Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.
Just sayin'.
Well we're not all angels like you.
Pfftt!! I'm no angel. Just saying that as I've grown older, I'm beginning to see the wisdom in some of those old fashioned ideas. Maybe they weren't as dumb as I thought they were when I was younger.
That's what your avatar shows.
Jstkiddn
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:17a
JackieJ828 said: Jstkiddn said: JackieJ828 said: Jstkiddn said: Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.
Just sayin'.
Well we're not all angels like you.
Pfftt!! I'm no angel. Just saying that as I've grown older, I'm beginning to see the wisdom in some of those old fashioned ideas. Maybe they weren't as dumb as I thought they were when I was younger.
That's what your avatar shows.
OMG! Too funny...that didn't even dawn on me. Duh!
RS4Rings said: JackieJ828 said: viperlance said: Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?
You would be a horrible person if you demanded an abortion. Now heres where it can get complicated, What if the guy wants the kid but the girl demands an abortion? Is she a horrible person?
FrugalFreak said: pecanpie said: viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
rather simple process it seems.
my best solution is to offer a $$$ payout to persuade what you are seeking, chances are she may take you up on it, if so, consider yourself getting out cheap. $20, 000 compared to many $$$ x over 18 years.
this is not a right versus wrong debate, since it is legal.I am not a lawyer but I think the woman cannot irrevocably give up child support. As I said before, the obligation is to the child and not to the woman. So even after accepting $20,000 if the woman later goes after child support, the man is hooked in my opinion -- as he should be.
JackieJ828
Graceful Member
posted: Jul. 7, 2009 @ 8:20a
I'm giving this topic green just because it got my brain running this morning. We need more topics like this and keeping them unlocked would be nice too.
katx said: FrugalFreak said: pecanpie said: viperlance said: pecanpie said: i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.
Thank you.
pecanpie said: but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?
I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.
i think you mean "strive". so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.
btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)
rather simple process it seems.
my best solution is to offer a $$$ payout to persuade what you are seeking, chances are she may take you up on it, if so, consider yourself getting out cheap. $20, 000 compared to many $$$ x over 18 years.
this is not a right versus wrong debate, since it is legal.I am not a lawyer but I think the woman cannot irrevocably give up child support. As I said before, the obligation is to the child and not to the woman. So even after accepting $20,000 if the woman later goes after child support, the man is hooked in my opinion -- as he should be.
nothing says he has to pay before the abortion.
you may not like my opinion on this solution, but I don't really care. it just is a solution to aid the man and serves no purpose to the woman beyond the payout.
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