pecanpie said:viperlance said:pecanpie said:
i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.


Thank you.

pecanpie said:
but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?


I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.

i think you mean "strive".
so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.

btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)

rather simple process it seems.

my best solution is to offer a $$$ payout to persuade what you are seeking, chances are she may take you up on it, if so, consider yourself getting out cheap. $20, 000 compared to many $$$ x over 18 years.

this is not a right versus wrong debate, since it is legal.

viperlance said:Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?

Any person that demands an abortion is a terrible person.

FrugalFreak said:pecanpie said:FrugalFreak said:pecanpie said:viperlance said:pecanpie said:
i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.


Thank you.

pecanpie said:
but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?


I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.

i think you mean "strive".
so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.

btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)

rather simple process it seems.

well, there are other aspects that i don't agree on. like in PA, i think that if a woman tries to get any type of govt help then the govt goes after the father for support. what if the woman doesn't want the man involved in her life? i realize the state needs to get money from somewhere, but i think sometimes things are better left alone. with that said, i don't think anyone should stay on welfare for ever either. that is what i meant by complicated ... different aspects of the laws.

it was a joke, I meant the act that gets this situation to begin with.

guess i'm slow today.

RS4Rings said:JackieJ828 said:viperlance said:Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?

You would be a horrible person if you demanded an abortion.
Now heres where it can get complicated, What if the guy wants the kid but the girl demands an abortion? Is she a horrible person?

A girl wouldn't demand an abortion, she would just go get one. I'm saying anyone that forces it upon an unwilling person is wrong.

Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.

Just sayin'.

Jstkiddn said:Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.

Just sayin'.

Well we're not all angels like you.

Jstkiddn said:Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.

Just sayin'.

then how would you know if you wanted to marry if you didn't know how the sex was?

JackieJ828 said:Jstkiddn said:JackieJ828 said:Jstkiddn said:Maybe if people would wait until they were married (or otherwise in a very serious, committed relationship) to have sex, then this question would be pointless.

Just sayin'.

Well we're not all angels like you.

Pfftt!! I'm no angel. Just saying that as I've grown older, I'm beginning to see the wisdom in some of those old fashioned ideas. Maybe they weren't as dumb as I thought they were when I was younger.

That's what your avatar shows.

OMG! Too funny...that didn't even dawn on me. Duh!

FrugalFreak said:pecanpie said:viperlance said:pecanpie said:
i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.


Thank you.

pecanpie said:
but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?


I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.

i think you mean "strive".
so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.

btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)

rather simple process it seems.

my best solution is to offer a $$$ payout to persuade what you are seeking, chances are she may take you up on it, if so, consider yourself getting out cheap. $20, 000 compared to many $$$ x over 18 years.

this is not a right versus wrong debate, since it is legal.I am not a lawyer but I think the woman cannot irrevocably give up child support. As I said before, the obligation is to the child and not to the woman. So even after accepting $20,000 if the woman later goes after child support, the man is hooked in my opinion -- as he should be.

katx said:FrugalFreak said:pecanpie said:viperlance said:pecanpie said:
i see your point, and i don't completely agree w/ the laws on child support.


Thank you.

pecanpie said:
but, do you really think a man should have NO responsibility?


I think the a man should be responsible for the action he did. What intrigued me was not the notion of taking hands off approach; rather it was the notion that we strife for equality in some subject yet demand advantages on other subject.

i think you mean "strive".
so, you think you can tell a woman what to do with her body? i don't understand what you are trying to say.

btw: sorry if i misled you, but i think that a man SHOULD pay for support if is the biological father. i think the woman decides she does not want the man to see the child or be a part of his/her life then she should not be allowed to get support payments. (it gets complicated.)

rather simple process it seems.

my best solution is to offer a $$$ payout to persuade what you are seeking, chances are she may take you up on it, if so, consider yourself getting out cheap. $20, 000 compared to many $$$ x over 18 years.

this is not a right versus wrong debate, since it is legal.I am not a lawyer but I think the woman cannot irrevocably give up child support. As I said before, the obligation is to the child and not to the woman. So even after accepting $20,000 if the woman later goes after child support, the man is hooked in my opinion -- as he should be.

nothing says he has to pay before the abortion.

you may not like my opinion on this solution, but I don't really care. it just is a solution to aid the man and serves no purpose to the woman beyond the payout.