The vulgarly worded thread title pretty much says it all.

Allow me to clarify something here, I've made a couple of references to my child support case recently but I didn't give any details, so here they are (so I don't look like a deadbeat asshole):

The woman I was dating had turned into a POS philandering alcoholic (I know how to pick 'em!). She started drinking a lot and I busted her cheating on me. I just couldn't take it anymore so I split. Make no mistake though, I had every intention of snatching him and leaving the country had he turned out to be mine, if it came to that. She was complete trash and there was no way I was going to have her raising my kid, no way in hell!
Well, I couldn't have been more right. I bumped into her at the club about ten years ago and she was sloppy drunk and covered in tatoos and body piercings. The boy in question will be 20 years old next month, BTW.

PS> I almost went to jail for beating the fark out of her 16 year-old brother. He'd tried to give the kid weed when he was about 1. The only thing that kept cops out of it was that their mom didn't want to explain the reason I had to knock his punk ass out. All this and MoDFS STILL wouldn't find his environment unfit!

viperlance said:Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anywe's no way you could do that.ay if the girl refuse to get abortion? No, but even if you could, how would you prove that it's your child she's carrying? Anyone could be the father.

katx said:No.

The obligation is not to the "girl." The obligation is to the child when the child is born.

Correct.

There is no correlation of equality arguments between men and women here, insomuch as the child resides within the woman's body and not the man's.

As usual, I find the entire argument contains specious reasoning, as the adults involved usually only consider what they want or don't want without considering what rights, if any, the child has to his own life.

No, the guy can't make the woman get an abortion if she doesn't want one; and if the situation is reversed, the guy doesn't have the final say.

Let's at least be candid and say that in the end, a decison is made upon a third life, which ultimately has no say at all.

Oh. I apologize sir as I thought your question being ridiculous was a joke. I was just trying to follow along. It will never happen again.

viperlance said:Digidoll said:Can she demand you get castrated as well?

That was an invalid and illogical response - Assuming that this is not rape (if this is rape then the original question will be void - Instead of worrying for child support, we should be worrying about putting the SOB behind bars - and then yes castrate the guy)

Anyway assuming that this was not due to rape, the sexual encounter was consentual and both party wanted it to happen - If they both wanted it to happen, she has no rights to demand anything from the guy.

Think about it this way, if 2 guys step up into a boxing match, the one who gets knocked out cannot sue the guy who knocked him out for beating the crap out of him.

momgoingbroke said:The guy had his opportunity to back out before he 'dove in'. Once he dives, he's got to deal with the consequences, which can be costly.

JUST TO POINT OUT, the reason i redded that was because it should be "THEY got to deal with the consequences, which can be costly." IMO she allowed it, so she could have said NO as simply as he "dove" in. They are equally negligent in taking precautions.

larrymoencurly said:viperlance said:Can he demand for abortion from the girl and refuse to pay child support or be responsible in anyway if the girl refuse to get abortion?It's all up to her. He's responsible for half, regardless what she decides to do.One more (minor) quibble: he would be responsible for MORE THAN HALF if the mother has no financial resources. A child is not a financial venture with each parent being 50% responsible. Each parent is 100% responsible for the child.

katx said:(2) Even if we stipulate that there is a third human being there, I do not see why the third one has a right to use the body of the first one.What if the (stipulated) human being had the same rights as an illegal alien in a sanctuary city?

bridgeforsale said:katx said:(2) Even if we stipulate that there is a third human being there, I do not see why the third one has a right to use the body of the first one.What if the (stipulated) human being had the same rights as an illegal alien in a sanctuary city?I am not in favor of laws that gives illegal aliens in a sanctuary the right to use another woman's body.

turtlebug said:katx said:A couple logic/linguistic quibbles: (1) the decision is made to terminate a pregnancy. One result of which is usually the death of the fetus (exception: C-section). (2) Even if we stipulate that there is a third human being there, I do not see why the third one has a right to use the body of the first one.

1. Okay..
2. "Right to use" argument? Not very logical insomuch as every new human life is not immediately viable and must "use" the body of the female. I am not disputing the "parasite" argument; I am saying that one should recognize that if the decision is made to terminate, there is a life affected. That is all.I agree that the fetus is a living entity.