I sold three separate iTunes Gift Cards on eBay to the same buyer over a span of a week in three separate sales. They were all paid for and I sent them to the buyer. The buyer also requested me to send them via email so he could use them sooner. I received three emails from PayPal today saying that it believes the charges to be fraudulent and they placed a hold on my account for the duration of the "investigation." I did NOT send the third code (fortunately) because the sale only occurred last night. I am currently out the $80 that was paid for the two cards (thanks FW for the 20% discount!) and PayPal says that because (1) they are gift cards and (2) I emailed the codes to the buyer that I am not eligible for Seller Protection and will not be seeing the money again. I checked the two cards and they have both been redeemed.
During the time frame of the sales, the buyer changed their address, name, phone number, email address, etc. which is what tipped PayPal off most likely (the info is different for the third card). I had no way of knowing that the buyer wasn't legitimate and now I have lost $80. Is there anything I can do to recoup the money?
Thanks for the assistance and I now know to never sell gift cards on eBay (well, I suppose I should just avoid eBay and their little buddy PayPal altogether). Let me assure you, PayPal is not my pal.
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posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 12:46p
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posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 12:49p
Read terms next time on giftcard sales. You have to have a shipping record - never email em. You are out.
raringvt
Ancient Member
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 1:02p
eBay + gift card = SCAM. Keep this in mind when buying and selling gift cards and you will be ok.
jwmoldy
Member
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 1:08p
Always have a shipping record. Always. Too many people are hacking Paypal accounts, setting up fake eBay accounts, using stolen credit card numbers, etc. They buy gift cards as a way of quickly cashing in. Amazon and iTunes are some of the most popular targets, but by no means the exclusive ones. If you must transact gift cards on eBay, make sure you know your seller. Check their feedback rating. If they have no feedback, have an account less than a month old, or have purchased a ton of giftcards in the previous days, cancel the sale.
I think there's very little you can do at this point, but I wish you the best.
corporateclaw
Tired Member
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 1:09p
raringvt said: eBay + gift card = SCAM. Keep this in mind when buying and selling gift cards and you will be ok.
I've had occasional success selling things that are like gift cards (DLC for video games and xbox live points or PSN points), but I always keep this in mind and basically think to myself "Am I OK with giving away this code plus paying eBay/paypal fees and shipping for the privilege of giving this away" and if the answer is "no" it doesn't get listed.
corporateclaw
Tired Member
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 1:12p
jwmoldy said: Always have a shipping record. Always. Too many people are hacking Paypal accounts, setting up fake eBay accounts, using stolen credit card numbers, etc. They buy gift cards as a way of quickly cashing in. Amazon and iTunes are some of the most popular targets, but by no means the exclusive ones. If you must transact gift cards on eBay, make sure you know your seller. Check their feedback rating. If they have no feedback, have an account less than a month old, or have purchased a ton of giftcards in the previous days, cancel the sale.
I think there's very little you can do at this point, but I wish you the best.
Having a shipping record for gift card stuff, though, is pointless. I prefer to just e-mail it because at least that way if I'm getting scammed, I'm not also out the shipping costs. You are at the whimsy of the buyer with gift cards on eBay (well, you're at the whimsey of the buyer on eBay period, but especially with gift cards) so going the e-mail route is a way to mitigate damages. Buyers that are out to scam you can just tell eBay/paypal that the gift card was without value when they received it and you are screwed even with a delivery confirmation, so saving the money to ship it (even if it's just a stamp) is worth it, IMO.
Shipping records wouldn't help I'd think. "Buyer claims cards were empty" or any one of those claims. How would you substantiate any of that?
kjgco
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 1:19p
raringvt said: eBay + gift card = SCAM. Keep this in mind when buying and selling gift cards and you will be ok.This is an oversimplification, to put it mildly. I have bought hundreds of gift cards on eBay over the past few years. I buy only from high-volume sellers with near perfect feedback. 95% of the time, the cards have arrived as expected. Whenever I have had to file a claim for non-delivery, eBay/PayPal has refunded my funds efficiently and promptly. On the sell side (I've sold maybe 100 during the same time period), one does have to exercise caution - no mailing of codes, cancellation of sales to buyers with no/low FB, no foreign buyers, sig confirmation, etc.
jwmoldy
Member
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 1:23p
Al3xK said: Shipping records wouldn't help I'd think. "Buyer claims cards were empty" or any one of those claims. How would you substantiate any of that?
Absolutely true. Another reason why checking feedback is helpful. It's not perfect, but it's one way to minimize the risk. Either way, it's a gamble.
scoutconnor said: I am currently out the $80 that was paid for the two cards (thanks FW for the 20% discount!) and PayPal says that because (1) they are gift cards and (2) I emailed the codes to the buyer that I am not eligible for Seller Protection and will not be seeing the money again.
Point 2 is valid, you have to physically deliver a tangible item to be eligible for Seller Protection. Point 1, though, I don't see in their T&C. Gift cards aren't eligible for Purchase Protection but they aren't clearly excluded from Seller Protection.
Here's why PayPal sucks, though. Check this out:
PayPal said: 11.5 Items/transactions not eligible for PayPal Seller protection. The following are examples of items/transactions not eligible for PayPal Seller protection.
•Claims or Chargebacks for Significantly Not as Described. •Items that you deliver in person, including in connection with In-Store Checkout. •Intangible items, including Digital Goods, and services. •PayPal Direct Payments. • Virtual Terminal Payments. •PayPal Business Payments. •Items that are not shipped to the recipient's shipping address on the Transaction Details Page. If you originally ship the item to the recipient's shipping address on the Transaction Details Page address but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller protection. We therefore recommend not using a shipping service that is arranged by the buyer, so that you will be able to provide valid proof of shipping and delivery.
Great, right? So you call up PayPal and say, hey, I mailed some gift cards and there's a problem. PayPal says, sorry, gift cards aren't eligible for Seller Protection. You say, I'm looking at paragraph 11.5 of the User Agreement right now and gift cards aren't excluded from Seller Protection. And they say, oh sorry sir, that list is just examples of things that aren't covered.
I'm ranting, I'm sorry. You wouldn't be covered anyway because you didn't mail the cards. But for them to tell you you aren't covered because they're gift cards, it's just more PayPal make-it-up-as-you-go business as usual.
cloverboy
Addicted Member
posted: Apr. 11, 2012 @ 11:24p
Pay-Pal is ridiculous. I sold a spear-gun to a buyer and it was allegedly damaged in transit(although he would not send pictures). As a seller you are responsible for the item whether the buyer declined insurance or not. Tracking info showing delivery is not enough. It went in the buyer's favor, but he did not return the item so I got them to release the hold on my account after three months of BS.
scripta
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 2:10a
I think what happened here is the OP sold into a hacked/phished/scammed eBay+paypal accounts, as evidenced by the fact that "During the time frame of the sales, the buyer changed their address, name, phone number, email address, etc". Had the OP followed eBay's policies and mailed the cards to a confirmed address, he should have been covered by seller protection.
Follow the rules next time and thank your lucky stars you've only lost $80. You got a cheap lesson. You could have sold a couple $500 cards.
rseiler
Ancient Member
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 1:27p
jwmoldy said: If you must transact gift cards on eBay, make sure you know your seller. Check their feedback rating. If they have no feedback, have an account less than a month old, or have purchased a ton of giftcards in the previous days, cancel the sale. Wouldn't it be nice if eBay had a feature where you could prevent the sale in the first place if the buyer has, say, a new account or doesn't have sufficient feedback? If they have that option now, I don't see it, only these:
I agree. I wish eBay had a much stronger program for sellers to screen potential buyers. All I've been able to do is to cancel the transaction post-sale, hope the other party agrees to the cancellation so I can get my final value fees back, and then have to relist the item and go through the whole process again. I feel eBay's focus has been to try and get as many buyers as possible to the site. This is a good thing, but in the process they've been ignoring legitimate seller concerns.
Karnivore
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 18, 2012 @ 12:15p
cloverboy said: Pay-Pal is ridiculous. I sold a spear-gun to a buyer and it was allegedly damaged in transit(although he would not send pictures). As a seller you are responsible for the item whether the buyer declined insurance or not. Tracking info showing delivery is not enough. It went in the buyer's favor, but he did not return the item so I got them to release the hold on my account after three months of BS.insurance is for your protection, not buyers.
BradMajors
Ancient Member
posted: Apr. 29, 2012 @ 10:50a
You can still USPS mail the gift card code on a piece of mail with tracking and thereby provide proof to eBay that the gift card was delivered.
I filed a PayPal dispute in which the seller emailed me saying that the auction price was too low and he would not mail me the item. At the same time, he set the shipping status as "shipped" and gave eBay a tracking number of "000000000".
PayPal emailed me that the tracking information shows that the package was delivered to my address.
Cenbit
Senior Member
posted: May. 16, 2012 @ 6:51p
raringvt said: eBay + gift card = SCAM. Keep this in mind when buying and selling gift cards and you will be ok.
Not really. I bought many egift cards from eBay and never had any issue.
hotpa2d
Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 1:40a
Can someone here explain why a $25 gift card sold for $100? I'm sure there'a a scam in there somewhere...
BradMajors said: You can still USPS mail the gift card code on a piece of mail with tracking and thereby provide proof to eBay that the gift card was delivered.
I filed a PayPal dispute in which the seller emailed me saying that the auction price was too low and he would not mail me the item. At the same time, he set the shipping status as "shipped" and gave eBay a tracking number of "000000000".
PayPal emailed me that the tracking information shows that the package was delivered to my address.
If only there was some invention that you would actually SPEAK to someone at Paypal, and have them actually look at it, since it would be fairly obvious to any human that it was not a valid tracking #, and the 0000000000 is acceptable only to a computer program..
Someday that dream will be reality... </sarcasm>
jwmoldy
Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 7:09a
hotpa2d said: Can someone here explain why a $25 gift card sold for $100? I'm sure there'a a scam in there somewhere...
You'll see this a lot with Amazon, iTunes, or other cards where the code is e-mailed. My guess is usually the buyer is someone using a stolen or hacked eBay or Paypal account or using a stolen credit card number so they don't care how much they have to pay. Or else they buy the gift card and then file a claim that the item was never sent. Since there is no tracking number Paypal is likely to rule against the seller and return the money to the buyer. The seller is out the payment and by this time the "buyer" has already used the code.
If you look at the bid history you can see that the bidders above the face value all have relatively low feedback scores. People set up eBay accounts for this purpose and buy a couple of cards and then shut the account down before they can get caught. Rinse and repeat.
hotpa2d
Member
posted: May. 18, 2012 @ 4:56p
Thank you for that explanation. I would just assume now that anyone bidding over face value of a gift card is some sort of scammer, and I wouldn't ship item.
LordB
Senior Member - 2K
posted: May. 21, 2012 @ 12:52p
hotpa2d said: Thank you for that explanation. I would just assume now that anyone bidding over face value of a gift card is some sort of scammer, and I wouldn't ship item.
Amazon and certain cards can go for slightly above face value and be legit due to various eBay promotions and some advantages the gift cards have. Anything more than 10% or so above face value is a scam.
Mind you there is still a decent chance something at or below fact value is also a scam.
lenneth
New Member
posted: Jun. 1, 2012 @ 9:12a
I emailed the code to the buyer. Then got the paypal dispute email yesterday asking for delivery proof. Is it too late to mail the already redeemed code today? I'll get the proof of delivery usps with the tracking number and paypal won't be able to tell when the card was actually shipped. Thanks so much for your help....
qube
Cranky Member
posted: Jun. 4, 2012 @ 7:01p
Happened to me....I quickly mailed something to the PayPal address and gave delivery confirmation to PayPal. Got my money back.
lenneth
New Member
posted: Jun. 6, 2012 @ 12:34a
That's exactly what I did too I mailed the empty card to the confirmed paypal address then emailed paypal the tracking number the day that usps showed it was delieverd. I also took a picture of the Amazon card right below mailing, and a screen shot of the Amazon card code showing that it was claimed, and finally the eBay email that the purchaser requested the code from me electronically. we'll see what happens with paypal =( crosses fingers! thanks for your reply!
newnewdoe
New Member
posted: Jun. 7, 2012 @ 2:07a
I think its happening to me right now. So I know not to give out the codes.. but what will happen if I dont give the scammer the code?
jwmoldy
Member
posted: Jun. 7, 2012 @ 1:22p
newnewdoe said: I think its happening to me right now. So I know not to give out the codes.. but what will happen if I dont give the scammer the code?
Contact the buyer and say that you are unable to e-mail the code but will send it out via USPS. If your listing states that you would e-mail the code then you'll have more difficulty doing this.
If you think there's something wrong and have not sent the code refund the payment. Then go through eBay to try and cancel the transaction in order to get some of your fees back. The buyer can refuse to cancel the transaction, but must do so within 7 days. I would send the buyer a message stating that you are not sending the code and giving an excuse why. Apologize for any inconveniences. It may not be pretty and you may get a ding on your feedback if the buyer is anal about it. But if it is a scammer most likely he'll just forget about it and move on and you'll still have your claim code.
supersaiyanmatt
New Member
posted: Jun. 9, 2012 @ 1:29p
How do you find the buyers paypal address?
supersaiyanmatt
New Member
posted: Jun. 9, 2012 @ 1:29p
How do you find the buyers paypal address?
elbear
New Member
posted: Aug. 29, 2012 @ 8:13a
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kyosuke75
New Member
posted: Sep. 13, 2012 @ 5:57p
I have run into this same issue, should i just mail the physical card to the address?
I have already informed paypal and eBay that it was given via email.
I have printed a shipping label for today though, I haven't mailed it out yet but the date has today's date (9/13/12) and the claim was made this morning.
haifury
New Member
posted: Sep. 15, 2012 @ 6:36p
I sell almost all of my gift cards to Plastic Jungle or Cardpool now. After eBay fees, PJ/CP are the same or slightly higher than what I would get off eBay. Though, you did mention iTunes cards. There was another site that bought these at one point, but they have since closed. PJ/CP don't buy iTunes cards.
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