I'm dealing with a PP fraud case (big surprise). Bought item from someone on Craigslist, he answered the phones, had his real name on caller ID, etc, so PayPal seemed fine (knowing they give buyer protection as well). I sent payment, now I can't reach the person for 2 days.
It turns out this is what he did: Fraudster (person 1) bought Raiders football tickets from someone (person 2) in the Bay area. Told the guy he'd pay him by PayPal. He then sold me an item. He gave me the PayPal address for person 2, so I paid person 2 - not knowing it was a different person and I was settling his debt.
I noticed person 2's PayPal # was different from person 1's #, called them, and found out the story above. Person 2 doesn't want to refund me the money because then he loses his funds. I'm pretty darn sure it's illegal to hold on to money not rightfully received when I claim it back.
So, yet another PayPal scam to be aware of. It seems like both person 1 and person 2 are actually breaking the law too - do you contact your local police in that case, or police in the local area of the people receiving the money (or both)?
Porqin said: Did you receive the item you were supposed to receive? It seems like you should've only sent PayPal payment once the item was in hand...It sounds like he was gonna get the tickets mailed to him, otherwise I'm sure he would have used cash..(right?). Do you have notes within the Paypal transaction that specifically says what it's for? That's a pretty shady transaction, and another reason why I refuse to work with Paypal. Hopefully you used a credit card to fund the transaction, so you can just call the credit card company to get it reversed. Otherwise I have a feeling you're hosed..
Hopefully he uses a phone number that he owns (not a fake number/GoogleVoice etc), maybe you can get a police report and ask the phone company to provide details if you have paper from law enforcement.
Otherwise you can just post an advertisement with the guys number in "adult services."
walletfart said: Person 2 doesn't want to refund me the money because then he loses his fundsIIRC, you can open a PayPal claim against him. But PayPal might want you to wait X number of days.
chadadi said: t60 said: Otherwise you can just post an advertisement with the guys number in "adult services."
That's a fantastic way to land in jail.
OP, if you used a credit card to fund your Paypal transaction (and shame on you if you didn't), this is what chargebacks are for.
To top it off, Paypal's freaking default payment source gets set to bank, and I hit continue before editing the payment source and there's no way to change it! F PayPal.
I'm not too worried about getting my money back because I have the guy I paid on the hook - you can't hold on to funds you received fraudulently. I have the dispute in and I've always heard PayPal favors the buyer on a dispute. If something doesn't go smoothly, I'll be happy to get law enforcement involved.
Porqin said: Did you receive the item you were supposed to receive? It seems like you should've only sent PayPal payment once the item was in hand...
Nope - typically with electronic items you pay first then get it later. With PayPal's "protection" and with a phone # that I call to verify the person, and their name matching on caller ID, I have always been OK with this. However, if this turns for the worse, I will join the no-paypal crowd.
File the claim with paypal immediately.If tne person who received the money didn't send his items yet he may refund your money once he see a claim against the transaction.
Since the seller has to send the item to your shipping address you can file INR if he don't send the item.
If it is a digital item there is no protection off eBay.
spammonster
Ancient Member
posted: Oct. 20, 2009 @ 8:18p
Sounds like you and person 2 are the innocent party here(aside from possibly scalping tickets). Basically person 1 played you both. Someone is going to lose out here and hopefully it's Paypal. If Person 2 didn't send the tickets to your confirmed address, he's SOL and he will end up taking the loss. If they're electronic, I would tell person 2 to talk to Ticketmaster or whoever to file a claim that tickets were stolen and see what they can do to help person 2. As for you, I think you'll likely get your money back although with Paypal it's always iffy. Since you never received the tickets or the item promised from person 1, Paypal if they follow their policy should refund you. Of course had you carefully switched to a credit card it would have been easy. Since you have this person's phone number and person 2 hopefully has the address the tickets went to, you have something to provide to the police. Good luck!
tripleB said: walletfart said: It seems like both person 1 and person 2 are actually breaking the law
So is person 3 who is purchasing illegally scalped tickets. Oh wait, that's you!Huh? Selling tickets for more than face value isn't illegal online. Usually it's not even illegal if you are selling to someone in-state, unless you are within so-many feet of the venue.
walletfart said: I have the guy I paid on the hook - you can't hold on to funds you received fraudulently. I have the dispute in and I've always heard PayPal favors the buyer on a dispute. If something doesn't go smoothly, I'll be happy to get law enforcement involved.
1) Ugh, sure.. Paypal will assume that because you did authorize the payment that it's not fraud. They'll let him hold on to the payment. In fact in a private transaction, I don't think they'll do a reversal except for the case that someone unauthorized accessed your account. "Unauthorized access" claims can be investigated, so don't claim one of those without merit.
2) Paypal favors the buyer in eBay AUCTION disputes. On the open market, they largely say "sorry" - the preference here is clearly to the seller. Seriously, if you have a non-auction paypal dispute and no means to chargeback, you're pretty well screwed. Paypal won't even give you a real name/address of the person you sent money to without a court order.
3) Get law enforcement involved? It's really going to depend on how busy they are, but 90% chance that because you gave up money willingly, they'll say that this is a "civil" issue... Which it really is. You might have civil remedy with individual #2 - but that assumes you know a real name, a real address, and can actually find him to serve him.
You're screwed here. Paypal disputes to a bank transfer for a reason... They also throw that "are you sure you want to change payment sources" for a reason.. that reason is to discourage people from using credit cards, which provide consumer protection.
annaswartz
New Member
posted: Oct. 21, 2009 @ 5:57p
Use the Ticket Exchange next time. Whether it's football, baseball, hockey, etc., season ticket holders sell their tickets through their teams' website. Most of the time the tickets are cheaper than Ticket Master but more than the season ticket holders' price. It's usually a bargain and ALWAYS SAFE! Plus the tickets are sent to you electronically to print right away.
johnstexas
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 21, 2009 @ 11:13p
The OP never stated that he bought tickets. He said that person 1 bought tickets from person 2, but person 1 tricked him into paying person 2. Whatever he bought from person 1 was not specified.
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