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All three PCs were fine on Friday, but on Monday this started to happen.

Happens with IE and Firefox. Some web sites will not open. For example AOL.COM is fine, but if you click on MAIL on that site it will not open the page - it will just go to a blank page and spin. Several other pages that require login do the same thing - they are industry sites, not big name things like hotmail or anything. One on of the machines I was able to download and install logmein (which is a secure site) with no problem. I did that both so I can get in over the weekend and keep trying things and to test a totally different site.

I had the two PCs in my shop and the sites worked fine.

They went back to their location and it doesn't work.

We reset their router to factory, no change.

And, of course, the third PC works fine with all these sites. The only real difference that I can see is that the two non working ones are using Windows 7 and the working one is XP. All are set to DHCP.

I tried manually setting the DNS server to OpenDNS servers, no change. I reset IE (even though Firefox didn't work and a second PC didn't work) and no change. I checked the HOSTS file even though that wouldn't make sense because it worked at my shop.

I may have left out some things that I tried, but I think that's it.

I'm out of ideas on what to look at next. Any thoughts?


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Minidrag,can you create another one?

ellory (Jun. 28, 2012 @ 2:08p) |

I almost did, earlier today. I got in a machine that had been infected and the home page of IE kept going to "Welcome to... (more)

minidrag (Jun. 28, 2012 @ 2:27p) |

Drat!

ellory (Jun. 28, 2012 @ 4:27p) |

 

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Oh, a full AV scan was run on both machines. Both with the Kaspersky Rescue CD and Malwarebytes AntiMalware. There were a few little spyware programs, but nothing major and nothing that was the same on both machines.


1. Did you reset the Modem (I know you reset the router)

2. I'm thinking something along the lines of Mac Filtering.

3. What's the model of the router?

4. Did the ISP activate IPV6 and did it wrong and that's why the W7 machines don't work and the XP one does? (Since XP doesn't have native IPV6 installed)


1) It's a modem / router combo

2) Router was reset to factory so any filtering should have been cleared, right?

3) Westell something or other... I can get that if you think it will help

4) I disabled IPv6 on the workstations, no change.


have you checked for ip conflicts?


Yes. The router shows the 3 PCs (as DHCP clients) and they all have different IP addresses.


I'm reaching here, because you have clearly tried all the obvious, but I'd like you to swap the router - or the ether ethernet cables
Why?
Its not the PC, because it works in your shop.
Its not the DHCP server, since you changed it

I know you reset the router, but if there is something that is not fixed by a reset. Corrupt firmware (download and reflash? Or a a physical problem that is causing timeouts?)

Could be the cable, but its odd that two PCs went out at the same time. So the common point of failure is the router


I agree the router seems like the culprit, but it if is, why does the XP machine work just fine?

I can test the cable question pretty easily, actually. The machines are wired, but they have wireless in them. Right now wireless is off (they were connected with both and I thought that might be causing trouble) but I can turn it on and disable the wired NIC.

I don't have any easy way to swap the router. It's a DSL modem with router built in supplied by their ISP. If it was just a router I could use a tester that I have.

And, to be clear, I did not change the DHCP server. I did manually set the DNS, but nothing else. Can't think of any reason that any other part of the DHCP server would matter though.


I am not sure why the XP machine works fine. Perhaps its LAN port related. Perhaps the NIC on the XP machine is more tolerant of resends

Csn you
1. Flash the router/modem with the lastest firmware?
2. Turn off the router capabilities in the modem and swap in a test router of your own?


1) Maybe... but I only have remote access right now and if something goes wrong I won't be able to fix it

2) I'm not sure that's even an option with this model, but I'll look into it


3. Get a replacement router and connect it to the LAN port that the XP machine is using. Connect all PCs to the new router
4, replace the modem/router with standalone or integrated device


I had a similar problem before. I switched to Google DNS (8.8.8.8) and that fixed it.


fr said:   I had a similar problem before. I switched to Google DNS (8.8.8.8) and that fixed it.As mentioned earlier, I've already tried different DNS settings.


Something went wrong... I don't have remote access now. Don't know if the machines were powered off or if there is an Internet issue. Nothing I can do until someone shows up on Monday.


Maybe I missed this (and again probably a long shot), have the two flakey PC always been plugged into the same ports on the router or have you swapped those as well to the port that works with the XP system?


They've always been the same. Considering it is only some sites that have issues I think a port problem is very unlikely. However, once I can get into the systems again I will be trying wireless which will eliminate the ports as a potential problem.


Yeah, seems bizarre, not sure how certain ports could affect certain sites, but I'll try anything sometimes


You need to isolate it to the ISP connection, or the PC itself (settings, software, etc).

I would take one of them to a known-good net connection somewhere else and try it


minidrag is thorough. He already did all of that before he posted

minidrag said:   
I had the two PCs in my shop and the sites worked fine.

Which makes it environmental in the customer location- or some very complex interaction with the ISP as WinXP PC works fine, but Win7 does not


does the problem occur when only one machine is connected?


Tresh said:   does the problem occur when only one machine is connected?Yes. I only tried one off though... maybe I should try the other one off instead.


Another thing I am thinking of.
The router isn't functioning as a proper router, it put all 3 PC's in a DMZ? The first PC (Which was the XP?) will be authorized by the Modem and the other 2 are not?

I'm reaching a bit, but that's all I can think of, it's the router.

Put a 2nd Router BEHIND the first one and see if all 3 have problems. The 2nd router should mask the 3 computers and the 1st router will only see 1 computer accessing.


I wish they were closer so it would be easier to test this stuff... Hopefully they will be able to get things back to the point where I can remote in and I'll get back in there and see if I missed something stupid last week. If not, I guess I will grab a router and head out there and see what I can do.


I'm hanging on here for an update minidrag. Its like a suspense novel. Can you make them a priority customer?


I am going out there tomorrow afternoon. I'll bring a router with me and see what happens. I hope I can get it figured out... they're right on the edge of my service area. Actually, I wouldn't take them as a new customer now because of where they are, but when I first started working with them (over 10 years ago) I was willing to drive further than I am now.

In any case, I'll let you know what happens.


I want real-time streaming updates - audio and video. All of FW Tech will be there with you, IMing and texting advice


That would be pretty awesome. Well other than the video part. Can't give away my secret identity


If you wear your cape and mask, then video is permitted


Just got back. The problem was their Westel modem / router. Very odd problem.. Internet worked fine on 1 PC, and mostly worked on the other 2. Also found out they were having issues with their network shared QuickBooks.

I plugged all 3 PCs into my router and the QuickBooks problems went away. I then plugged the Internet IN jack on my router into a LAN port on the Westel. All 3 PCs had full Internet access with no issues.

Their ISP is replacing the Westel tomorrow. I left my router there so they could work while waiting for the replacement.

I've seen some strange issues, but this one is one of the weirdest. Only some sites didn't work and that was only on the Windows 7 PCs... very odd. But the important thing is that they are back in business now.


Glad it worked out minidrag. Hope we helped you prepare and troubleshoot

How long were you out there? Were they impressed? Or is it just that they expected for you to solve it easily?


<smack self> THANKS FOR THE HELP!

Thought I had said that, but apparently not.

They were impressed. I was only there for about 45 minutes, but part of that was adding a new printer to their network and waiting while they talked to their ISP. Adding in my router and testing it didn't take long at all.

As for their expectations, I'm not sure. They've been dealing with this for a little over a week now so I think their biggest feeling was relief.


Now I'm sad
I gave Mini the answer and I didn't any green..hahaha


Well, I don't think it was MAC filtering. It was screwing up LAN traffic too. But you've got green now!


I miss this thread. I felt like I was playing "Stump the Chumps"

Minidrag,can you create another one?


I almost did, earlier today. I got in a machine that had been infected and the home page of IE kept going to "Welcome to nginx" and I had a heck of a time fixing it. Almost posted here for help, but I finally got it cleaned up.


minidrag said:   I almost did, earlier today. I got in a machine that had been infected and the home page of IE kept going to "Welcome to nginx" and I had a heck of a time fixing it. Almost posted here for help, but I finally got it cleaned up.Drat!




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