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posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 4:32p
I think your best bet would be to contact Microsoft to discuss your options with them.
For one, if you are going to be selling computers with Windows preinstalled, you need to provide an actual CD, the manual and the COA.
Microsoft sells OEM packages to computer shops such as you intend to start.
posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 5:44p
Yep, as of 1/1/05, you can't buy just the coa anymore. Seems microsoft bs'd one of our dumb TX congressmen, and convinced him that only "pirates" buy just coa's (never mind people building systems for themselves! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border=0> ). He sponsored a bill, that rode on the coat tails of a spending bill, that the prez signed into law, VERY QUIETLY. If I had heard about it before the end of the year, I would have stocked up, but didn't hear anything until after the first of the year, when I wanted to buy some coa's, and couldn't find one for sale to save my life. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border=0>
At the very least, you'll have to buy OEM packs (can usually find them online for ~$87, maybe less, for XP Home). Should be able to buy them from MS, if you're a partner, and hopefully will be cheaper for ya. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>
posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 6:06p
Problem is, too many shops would sell the systems with Windows Preinstalled and they would violate the Microsoft requirements which specify that they must include the CD, Manual and COA.
So if something went wrong with someone's system, they would be SOL because they wouldn't have a CD to reinstall Windows if necessary.
posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 6:15p
At $80 to $100 a pop, all my profit would go up in smoke.
OEM's and clone builders must have another (cheaper) source.
I guess I'll bite the bullet and call MS. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>
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posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 11:38p
Good luck. Let us know what you find.
I'm a Microsoft OEM partner (although I don't actually build machines for sale) and I haven't seen any way to get significantly lower prices. Maybe if you build tens of thousands of boxes....
Basically, system builders can't really compete on price against Dell, HP, etc. They have to find other features that help them compete against the big boys.
"Genuine Windows software comes shrink-wrapped in a package that includes the manual, the media with an edge-to-edge hologram, and the COA affixed to the shrink-wrap."
A big problem was the HUGE number of counterfeit COA labels.
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posted: Jun. 18, 2005 @ 10:13a
nivram said: [Q]Yep, as of 1/1/05, you can't buy just the coa anymore. Seems microsoft bs'd one of our dumb TX congressmen, and convinced him that only "pirates" buy just coa's (never mind people building systems for themselves! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border=0> ). He sponsored a bill, that rode on the coat tails of a spending bill, that the prez signed into law, VERY QUIETLY. It wasn't on the front page of the NY Times but that doesn't make it a back room conspiracy. Many laws are passed as amendments to other bills. This one deals with illegal labels. Personally, I can't see where anyone other than a software pirate would have a problem with language like this:
`(a) Whoever, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (c), knowingly traffics in--
`(1) a counterfeit label or illicit label affixed to, enclosing, or accompanying, or designed to be affixed to, enclose, or accompany--
`(A) a phonorecord;
`(B) a copy of a computer program;
`(C) a copy of a motion picture or other audiovisual work;
`(D) a copy of a literary work;
`(E) a copy of a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work;
`(F) a work of visual art; or
`(G) documentation or packaging; or
`(2) counterfeit documentation or packaging,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.';
It was never within MS licensing to sell the COA's anyway..what they were doing is selling them from scrapped/stripped/recycled systems. All the law really does is explicitly state that and make it a crime. (They are/were OEM licenses, which are tied to one specific computer and can't be sold, transferred, upgraded, and MS doesnt support them..the original OEM does (And I know they actually CAN be...I am strictly talking about what MS license agreement states) - OEM triple packs to install on systems are gonna run you about 80 or 90 apiece like they say.(one installation that is..triple pack itself will be like 250 ) And you are responsible for supporting them. Dell, etc pays like 8 bucks...but then they buy millions. And you could find this out all over the Partner site..look for OEM or licensing next time
posted: Jun. 20, 2005 @ 9:38p
If possible for the venue you are selling, try selling the computers with no O/S installed. You might find that it won't reduce the price people are willing to pay by much.
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