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Hi I am new to this forum and I really need your help. I stood in line since 3:00am to get the $149 eMachines, and now I did an opps. I am an experienced Computer guy, so I went poking around inside the PC. Saw the Intel motherboard, went onto Intel site to get the BIOS update. eMachines does not give out BIOS updates, but since it is an Intel Motherboard I could get it from them.

To make a long story short I need ANYONE that bought the eMachines T3406 $149 PC from Bestbuy to please respond in this thread. I need the eMachines BIOS back, and I am reaching out to you for help. No where can I download the BIOS, and eMachines Tech Support told me to get it from somewhere else. If you are willing to help I will easily walk you through how to back up your BIOS onto a Disk and e-mail it to me. Itís a small sub 700KB file, and backuping your BIOS can in no way harm you PC.

My PC now is dead once I loaded in the Intel BIOS. Apparently this is a minor difference between the OEM and Retail version. I am crushed and I feel stupid, but I am one to push things to the edge. I am an idiot for not backing up a copy for my self, but I was just so excited to update everything and reformat the machine.

Please I really need your help. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

Word of Advice do not use the Intel BIOS on your eMachines because it will not work. It needs the eMachines Modified Intel BIOS.

Brett VanKirk

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I bought the 150 desktop at BB. But good to know that you already fixed it.

Kasak (Nov. 29, 2005 @ 3:31p) |

Just happened to see your BIOS problem on FW. I also bought the $150 emachine and am playing around with OSX86 and some... (more)

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much thanks for the link and the info! will check it out!<br>very interesting<br>btw for those interested, bestbuy is ru... (more)

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BrettVanKirk said: [Q]I stood in line since 3:00am to get the $149 eMachines......
I am an experienced Computer guy.....
Itís a small sub 700KB file, and backuping your BIOS can in no way harm you PC.
I am an idiot for not backing up a copy for my self...
Agreed about the "idiot" part and no, you are not "an experienced Computer guy".
Did you check out emachineupgraders.info and similar sites?

Dude, the guy came here for help, and you feel the need to insult? Nice. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>


My suggestion.....look in the directory where you ran the Intel flash utility. It may have stored a backup for you automatically. I know when I flash my BIOS, the AMI utility automatically does that for me.

I am an experienced guy, I build my own stuff all the time, do VMODS, ect. First time eMachines owner and I did not know of the site until today. I know from past experiences I needed to do my research but I wasn't expecting it not to work and short of time. I am not a big OEM fan and this is why, I take the risk of screwing things up a lot easier. I will be the first to admit that I do make mistake, everyone does. I will say this is not the first time I have flashed OEM boards, and 98% of them have worked, it all depends. The biggest problem was I did not do my research.

There is no backup; because being OEM it has a different BIOS String. Itís the same, but the manufacture is listed OEM Gateway 15A instead of 86A (Intel). This means I had to use the recovery feature of the motherboard with a floppy to overwrite the BIOS. This is nothing located on my floppy disk but the .BIO file I loaded into the BIOS chip.

The easiest way out is to return the computer. If the computer will not boot you would have to pull the EEPROM and have it flashed on the bench. If you're too honest to return the computer, that's nice, but it will cost you a motherboard.

The computer will boot and I can still do BIOS recovery. I can get into the BIOS, and even to the point where it boots Windows only to have it freeze. That is only possible if I clear the CMOS every single time. If I can get my hands on the .BIO file that is all I need and my problems are solved. If anyone has this computer please lend a helping hand.

I thought e-machines offers full warranty for one year. I don't understand the reason for which the CSR asked you to find some where else. Probably you confused him boasting about your computer experience. Try again and act like a newbee. He will walk you through what to do and infact will give you the bios. If you think he is going out of wack just guide him that a friend of yours thinks this is the problem....

Also did you create a new id to ask this question?

eMachines Tech Support suggested the idea, and their warranty does not cover BIOS updates and any damage. I joined here because I was actively viewing the thread that got me to buy this PC. In the Deals section, so I knew many people in that thread bought one so I figured it would be a good idea to join this forum and post asking for help since I know for a fact that people here have them. It is just a matter of someone willing to help out and donate 10 minutes of their time.

why did you need to flash the bios for a new pc?

Because OEM lock out loads of features on factory Intel motherboards. Such as changing the FSB, changing dividers, RAM Timings, ect. Once I flashed to the Intel BIOS and when I can get into the BIOS I have every single option. I can set RAM Timings, change the FSB, it pretty much doubled my options. You have to understand I am on the extreme side of pushing things, just this time I pretty much screwed up and forgot to back up my BIOS.

One other issue you may have with the Intel BIOS:

If the flash overwrites the area used for motherboard manufacturer ID, and if this PC came with OEM Windows, you might have Windows Activation issues if you ever re-install or repair Windows. Apparently eMachines use a BIOS-locked version of OEM XP.

Its not that, since it will not boot unless I pull the CMOS battery for a few seconds. Then I tried to get it to boot Knoppix it just locks right after trying to boot. Its 100% a problem with the BIOS and can be fixed once I get my hands on the BIOS, and as you know that is what I am asking from someone out there. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

Go to BB and buy another Emachines. Copy the Bios with the new machine and viola, you got what you want. All the troubles and pain you have to go thru via this method will remind you in the future "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

n.m.

Have you tried emailing tech support, BE HONEST, and tell them what you did? (Just tell them your friend "Robert" did it and u are really in a bind) They might be able to direct you to a D/l that will fix your problem, as easy as a floppy or sticking the files onto a USB flash device and hitting power.

and btw, you are NOT an experienced computer guy! An experienced PC Tech would have scouted out the motherboard online, asked someone on the various forums if they've done it, or at the very least contacted the motherboard manufacturer to see if the BIOS update was advised.

Oops is right...
Now go buy another eMAC and get some rest....and take some computer courses. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>


You were trying to overclock an emachines? bwahaha

Use the reset jumper, if it has one.

Letís not question how experienced I am, I am certainly not a chip designer but I am not fool, I made an honest mistake so lay off. I do have some good news to report, and even some better news to report. I jumped into the ordeal with out doing my research. Please do not tell me to do take computer courses, I am extremely smart itís just that I screwed this one up and asked for help. There is no reason to get critical, it is not like I am boasting about something I can not handle, I just wasnít prepared to recover the BIOS if there was a problem.

Everyone here laughs but I am the type of person that likes to tweak the crap out of everything, push it to its edge, get every piece of performance out of my computer, and be able to do what I want to it.

The first good news is after disabling everything in the BIOS I figured out the problem. There was an issue with my integrated LAN, once that was disabled I had my computer back just minus the LAN which didnít matter since I just WIFI anyway. I was able to overclock the 340 Celeron D to 3.3GHz, but the stock Intel HSF wasnít going to be able to keep it cool under load, and since the ram runs a 4:5 divider and since its PC3200 I still had plenty of room to go.

The better news is I was pointed towards the Gateways site which is the parent company to eMachines. They had the exact BIOS I needed for the D865GVHZ Intel Motherboard, I did the BIOS recovery and everything is perfect and back to normal, just like its fresh from the eMachines factory.

The reason I am going to stick with the OEM BIOS is in case I need my integrated LAN, which might come in handy. I am glade I did figure out that I can flash and get to work newer fully features BIOS that unlocks all the features and option of the D865GVHZ Intel Motherboard and allowed me full control over my hardware.

I just want to thank everyone for all your suggestions and help, and not everyone bashing me left and right over a problem that was easily fixable. Even though a good amount said I should take computer classes, or just plain a fool. I do understand not every person shares that same way of thinking, and thatís alright. I do appreciate the help everyone did give, and I thank you.

I'm trying to understand how the Intel/eMachines BIOS flash works.

Historically, BIOS flashes are done using a DOS boot disk and a small .exe flash program. To be able to flash, you have to be able to boot into DOS. Can you boot into DOS?

Or do these new Intel/eMachine BIOSs have some way of flashing without booting into an operating system (DOS)? Your earlier posts implied that they do.

Thanks!

Why don't you just exchange it at BB - you have 14 days, if I recall correctly?

I usually do my flashes from within windows with WinFlash. I'm glad you solved your problem.

Itís called a simple recovery, and pretty much every motherboard has that feature. Itís the lowest state possible your PC operates in, no video is displayed, and you do not need a bootable floppy. You just need the .BIO file on a blank floppy and your PC reloads the BIOS. This allows me to get around the OEM String factor, and allows people to recover from a bad flash.

Why would I need to return the PC? Did you read my last post; everything is 100% fixed and back to normal now.

RebateMonger said: [Q]I'm trying to understand how the Intel/eMachines BIOS flash works.

Historically, BIOS flashes are done using a DOS boot disk and a small .exe flash program. To be able to flash, you have to be able to boot into DOS. Can you boot into DOS?

Or do these new Intel/eMachine BIOSs have some way of flashing without booting into an operating system (DOS)? Your earlier posts implied that they do.

Thanks!

Yes, I think that Intel BIOS's over the past few years have had a "recovery mode". My Dell 4400 (about 3-4 years old) has it if I recall correctly (fortunately I've never had to use it.) However I don't know if any other manufacturers have a similar function or not.

BrettVanKirk said: [Q]Itís called a simple recovery, and pretty much every motherboard has that feature. Itís the lowest state possible your PC operates in, no video is displayed, and you do not need a bootable floppy. You just need the .BIO file on a blank floppy and your PC reloads the BIOS. This allows me to get around the OEM String factor, and allows people to recover from a bad flash.Hmmm...I've never heard of that one. As mentioned in the post just above this, it must be something new that Intel is doing. I probably have about thirty motherboards laying around here, and none of those have this recovery method available.

-Did a little more research...
I couldn't find any reference to "simple recovery". However, I did find that Intel has a "Recovery BIOS" technique, as noted. Apparently Dell offers recovery BIOSes for a few of their Intel-designed motherboards, but not for all. This may be a Phoenix-BIOS innovation. It also appears that some AMI-BIOSes may have this feature (MSI mentions it for some of their motherboards). I've never heard of it being used for Award-BIOSes.
MSI instructions for recovery of AMI and Award BIOS.
Hmmmm...and I also didn't realize that Phoenix Technologies owns Award. Just saw that on the Phoenix Technologies site.

Historically, of course, once a BIOS gets messed up, it's pretty much all over unless you can flash one blind or use ISA video card. Or you do a hot swap of the BIOS chip with a working one. Unfortunately, many motherboards don't HAVE removable BIOS chips anymore. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border=0>

BrettVanKirk said: [Q]I am extremely smart itís just that I screwed this one up and asked for help. There is no reason to get critical.

Glad you solved your issue and reported your methodology.
BTW What makes you think that this or any forum on any topic won't haze a noobe member before accepting them into the fold??

SonOfZeus said: [Q]BrettVanKirk said: [Q]I am extremely smart itís just that I screwed this one up and asked for help. There is no reason to get critical.

Glad you solved your issue and reported your methodology.
BTW What makes you think that this or any forum on any topic won't haze a noobe member before accepting them into the fold??Glad you solved your problem. Speaking for myself, much of what I've learned has been the result of embarrasing mistakes. (Like the first time I installed a harddrive, didn't set the jumpers correctly and ended up wiping out the OS. That lesson, learned on Windows 3.1 and a 486Mhz computer with a whopping 16MB of RAM, has been well learned)

Please keep in mind that, for the most part, the mocking came from people who are not regulars on this forum. And thanks for posting back with your solution. I learned from it.

Hope you stay around and become a regular responder, helping others solve their technical problems

ellory said: [Q]Hope you stay around and become a regular responder, helping others solve their technical problems

Amen.

ArnoldRimmer said: [Q]"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

don't you mean "if it ain't broke, tweak it"? I can't count the number of times I've broken something trying to tweak it - great way to learn IMO

Simple Recovery is just what I called it; itís just a low level recovery. I have worked on from 1998 that have had the same thing this PC had today. Some motherboards have two BIOS chips for a backup incase you screw up the first one. There are many different solutions out there, even on the many OEM computers I have worked with have had the same recovery mode. Now grant it I know there are boards out there that do not have any feature, it all up to the manufacture.

I my self have learned lots of just messing with computers and screwing them up when I was younger. I do like to take the hands on approach to learning, so when I was growing up I always had a computer that I was messing with. It wasn't long before I could fix every problem I made, with the exception of destroyed hardware, but luckily I can't say I ever caused a piece of hardware to stop working forever.

BrettVanKirk said: [Q]but luckily I can't say I ever caused a piece of hardware to stop working forever.Unfortunately, I can make that claim. Just not lately

"Please keep in mind that, for the most part, the mocking came from people who are not regulars on this forum. And thanks for posting back with your solution. I learned from it.
Hope you stay around and become a regular responder, helping others solve their technical problems"

ditto. me too. really enjoyed this thread, especially the happy ending.

legzakimbo said: [Q]ArnoldRimmer said: [Q]"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

don't you mean "if it ain't broke, tweak it"? I can't count the number of times I've broken something trying to tweak it - great way to learn IMO


Same here. It seems that sometimes I learn best by fixing constant screw-ups.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border=0>

BrettVanKirk said: [Q]Simple Recovery is just what I called it; itís just a low level recovery. I have worked on from 1998 that have had the same thing this PC had today.
Goes back earlier than that even. I remember that feature on a P-60 board that I had screwed the BIOS up on.


mogalapr said: [Q]The OP of this thread might help you!OP solved the problem by reflashing with Gateway BIOS

I bought the 150 desktop at BB. But good to know that you already fixed it.

Just happened to see your BIOS problem on FW. I also bought the $150 emachine and am playing around with OSX86 and some other stuff.

Anyway, I am not sure if this will help you create another BIOS version but you can download from the Intel Motherboard page a utility called "Intel Integrator" which allows, it seems, changing an OEM's bios.

The Gateway bios for the t3406 (Hazelton) motherboard does have a customizable .itk file which the Integrator can read. Don't know if it can be used to access the intel updated features on the bios as I just happened to find this myself (as I found your forum through a google search).

You can also download and use the Intel Active Monitor which can view temp and fan speed. The other downloads don't seem to work for this board.

Here is the web page:
Intel Motherboard downloads

much thanks for the link and the info! will check it out!
very interesting
btw for those interested, bestbuy is running a sale on all pny cards this week -- the 5500 pci is included, with an instant price of $64.99. minus the 10% coupon...



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