They are facilitating dual boot but technically not supporting it.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Apr. 5, 2006 @ 1:07p
mintyfresh said: They are facilitating dual boot but technically not supporting it.Of course Apple won't support Windows, but chances are they will officially support the Boot Camp software.
XAquaLeviathanX
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posted: Apr. 5, 2006 @ 1:52p
jayK said: mintyfresh said: They are facilitating dual boot but technically not supporting it.Of course Apple won't support Windows, but chances are they will officially support the Boot Camp software.
They will support the Boot Camp application. It's slated for an official (non-beta) release with 10.5 Leopard.
This move only makes sense if they can make it pay off, and the only way that will happen is if Apple starts selling dual boot OSX/Windows XP machines (with XP preinstalled). Give it a year, I'll bet that's what they'll start doing.
bridgeforsale said: This move only makes sense if they can make it pay off, and the only way that will happen is if Apple starts selling dual boot OSX/Windows XP machines (with XP preinstalled). Give it a year, I'll bet that's what they'll start doing.
that's certainly possible, but think of all the people who need windows but want to try mac. this gives apple a chance to tap into the windows user pool. would you pay apple's high prices KNOWING you could also put windows on there and have it work natively in addition to osx? they're betting a lot of people will, i think.
apple isn't competing with windows in the hardware market; if you bought a mac, they already got your money for hardware AND software, why do they care if you want to go buy a copy of windows too?
Tresh said: think of all the people who need windows but want to try mac.There may be a whole lot for all I know, but I'll wager that not many of them want to muck about installing a second operating system.
What Apple needs to do to capture that market is offer an option to purchase a new machine with both OSes pre-installed, with decent support and attention paid to the needs of Windows users (selling Apple accessories like webcams that only work under OSX is not going to attract customers).
atsang said: It may even run both simultaneously in the future...
Now THAT is what I'd want, a puter users dream, switch back and forth as needed, all on one box, all on one drive - it'd be like working in a mainframe shop and being able to switch from mainframe to pc and back
And what are the blocks in getting OSX to run on any old intel (ie del1, HP) - you can sure buy those machines at a fraction of the cost of mac but they are fine machines.
dancestoblue said: atsang said: It may even run both simultaneously in the future...Now THAT is what I'd want, a puter users dream, switch back and forth as needed, all on one box, all on one drive - it'd be like working in a mainframe shop and being able to switch from mainframe to pc and backThe funny thing is, you can already do just that with Virtual PC for MAc product for G5 that includes a copy of Windows XP, AND it runs concurrently, no dual boot necessary (just like a big old IBM mainframe running VM).
At least if you knew how many copies of VPC/XP Apple has sold you'd have some idea how big the market is for a dual boot machine.
dancestoblue said: And what are the blocks in getting OSX to run on any old intel (ie del1, HP) - you can sure buy those machines at a fraction of the cost of mac but they are fine machines.
apple makes/supports drivers only for their own hardware. sorry. they are a closed business.
bridgeforsale said: dancestoblue said: atsang said: It may even run both simultaneously in the future...Now THAT is what I'd want, a puter users dream, switch back and forth as needed, all on one box, all on one drive - it'd be like working in a mainframe shop and being able to switch from mainframe to pc and backThe funny thing is, you can already do just that with Virtual PC for MAc product for G5 that includes a copy of Windows XP, AND it runs concurrently, no dual boot necessary (just like a big old IBM mainframe running VM).
At least if you knew how many copies of VPC/XP Apple has sold you'd have some idea how big the market is for a dual boot machine.
That is not a true option as VPC runs so slow its like using dial up internet.
I would buy a dual boot in a heart beat I use windows for business because I have to. I would love an apple for video but spending that kind of money on a second computer just for the video and graphics I just could not do it.
I have been waiting for this since they went with the Intel chip. I did think it was going to be a hack the hardware solution not software.
Just have to wait and see if this software can run fast enough to make it worth while.
draal said: Virtual PC for MAc product for G5 that includes a copy of Windows XP, AND it runs concurrently, no dual boot necessary (just like a big old IBM mainframe running VM).
At least if you knew how many copies of VPC/XP Apple has sold you'd have some idea how big the market is for a dual boot machine.
That is not a true option as VPC runs so slow its like using dial up internet.I looked around and there are a lot of complaints about VPC being a dog on Mac systems. Too bad.
I have both PC's and macs. The macs barely get touched. I think you will find people using dual boot to use XP more often when they get used to it.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Apr. 6, 2006 @ 12:51p
riznick said: I have both PC's and macs. The macs barely get touched. I think you will find people using dual boot to use XP more often when they get used to it.I think the reverse will happen. Based on my experience, unless you have Windows-only apps, most users will end up using OS X most of the time, once they get used to it.
Unfortunately I support a Windows-based app, so I need Windows at home, but I'm seriously considering picking up a Mac mini now. There are probably lots of other people who are too afraid to give up Windows completely, but now they have the opportunity to slowly switch.
bridgeforsale said: Tresh said: think of all the people who need windows but want to try mac.There may be a whole lot for all I know, but I'll wager that not many of them want to muck about installing a second operating system.
What Apple needs to do to capture that market is offer an option to purchase a new machine with both OSes pre-installed, with decent support and attention paid to the needs of Windows users (selling Apple accessories like webcams that only work under OSX is not going to attract customers).
There are not enough techs in California for Apple to hire to help support Windows. Perhaps that is why they are hiring in India.
riznick said: I have both PC's and macs. The macs barely get touched. I think you will find people using dual boot to use XP more often when they get used to it.
Most people at least use their computers for internet access. Perhaps you do not use the internet much.
rpi1967 said: riznick said: I have both PC's and macs. The macs barely get touched. I think you will find people using dual boot to use XP more often when they get used to it.
Most people at least use their computers for internet access. Perhaps you do not use the internet much.
internet access is hardly the front line in the windows/mac debate. it's hard to gauge personal preference and what people will gravitate toward. most "arguments" are just votes for the person's own os preference.
bridgeforsale said: j4mes said: another little extra you get with this is the BSODThat's usually caused by installing on crap hardware. Oh you shouldn't say that about apple hardware, you will offend someone for sure.
IQ70 said: j4mes said: another little extra you get with this is the BSOD
try installing OSX on your Dell and see how far you get...
i like the osx version of the blue screen of death. it's a gray screen that tells you to hold down the power button until your computer shuts off... in like 8 different languages.
Tresh said: IQ70 said: j4mes said: another little extra you get with this is the BSOD
try installing OSX on your Dell and see how far you get...
i like the osx version of the blue screen of death. it's a gray screen that tells you to hold down the power button until your computer shuts off... in like 8 different languages.
Its not the same, kernel crash in OSX looks like thisor this OSX has a modular build and works on only a very little range of hardware, hence very less number of people see the kernel panicing. If XP would work on only one type of processor, one type of display, one type of network card, you would never see the BSOD on XP too.
OSX is like a car that works on only one road, while XP will take you around all the earth's roads but there will be some bumps. Your choice.
XAquaLeviathanX
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posted: Apr. 8, 2006 @ 8:04p
IQ70 said: Tresh said: IQ70 said: j4mes said: another little extra you get with this is the BSOD
try installing OSX on your Dell and see how far you get...
i like the osx version of the blue screen of death. it's a gray screen that tells you to hold down the power button until your computer shuts off... in like 8 different languages.
Its not the same, kernel crash in OSX looks like thisor this OSX has a modular build and works on only a very little range of hardware, hence very less number of people see the kernel panicing. If XP would work on only one type of processor, one type of display, one type of network card, you would never see the BSOD on XP too.
OSX is like a car that works on only one road, while XP will take you around all the earth's roads but there will be some bumps. Your choice.
Tresh is right though. When OSX encounters a major kernal panic it'll display a screen asking for a manual reboot. And yes, its actually in at least 7-8 languages .
SeriusBlack
Senior Member - 4K
posted: Jun. 26, 2006 @ 2:56p
Do you think MAC OS will ever work on a non-Apple piece of hardware? I like the idea of assembling a cheap PC & then running Tiger on it. Or maybe Panther?
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