A few months ago the mods had started a thread on how to make the Travel Deals forum better. I searched and couldn't find it. We as a group who participate and assist need to try and get mods to improve forum and get those who make request see that we are not being rude when asking for more information.
STOP DO NOT POST.... appears when you hit new topic. This is ignored over and over again by new posters who make a request. Some do show groundwork has been done. The majority do not. Some of us point this out and say please show what rates you have found. We get told how rude we are, how we are the forum police, etc.
This is really a travel deals forum and it is now turning into request land. What can we as a group do together to make this a better travel deals forum.
There is the great rental car matrix...yet people post request after request with no mention of using any codes in the main area. When we link we are slammed and told we are rude, to give helpful advice, etc. There is nothing wrong with directing and not linking.
There is the LV Hotel Promo thread...yet people request how to find a good LV hotel deal in the main forum. There is the how to find the best airfare deal...yet people post how do I find a good deal or beg for certificates, etc.
Does anyone have ideas on how improve this forum, we regulas need to band together and make this a better place. Recently there have been some newbies or oldies who are trying to make some of us miserable, disappear and just go away. Thankfully the mods have been on top.
Maybe if as a group we try to work together and and come up with ideas the mods will review and might make this a true travel deals...more along the lines of hot deals rather then begging for travel requests.
Maybe there should be one thread where people can post requests so we don't have to pick and find the true deals.
It is one thing if the poster searches and asks for comparisions, etc but totally different when people just say I want to go to Washington DC I need a hotel, car, etc.
Any ideas on how to improve this.......1) A moderator that, without prompting via Admin alerts, removes/locks Requests/Non-Deals that ignore the "before you post" instructions.
2) FW could tap one of the regulars here to act as a Mod. in the Travel Deals forum.
3) Call the forum "Travel Info" or "Travel Free-For-All" or "Beg For Free Travel Planning Help" and be done with the question of what is or is not an appropriate post.
mom2boys said: Maybe there should be one thread where people can post requests so we don't have to pick and find the true deals.
Any ideas on how to improve this.......
Funny, there are very few threads on Hot Deals asking "Hey, I think I'd maybe like to get a TV; what should I get?" That forum does well at staying focused on deals. I guess travel is a bit looser, people know they want to go somewhere, but don't know what they want? The unwillingness of people to do even a basic bit of research. HELLO? Google can be your best friend!
It's also frustrating, as someone who tries to help, that people don't give you enough info for you to actually help them. How many requests have "Where should I go to eat in Las Vegas?" HELLO? What's your budget, what kind of food do you like, or do you (truly) like to try new and different things, etc....
Also, and I've pointed this out before, some of the laziness that characterizes a lot of internet chat is creeping in here. Maybe people think they're on myspace or facebook or something, and that it's OK for them to post misspelled, vague, incomplete and occasionally nonsensical questions here too. Then, they get upset when it's pointed out to them that there are basic rules here, and they should follow them for everyone's benefit.
Whatever. If FW is going to host these travel requests, it makes sense to have them in separate threads, clearly labeled (e.g. LV, Cruises, NYC, etc), and ruthlessly police the deals threads to keep them purely deals-oriented. Like the LV Hotels deals thread vs. the LV requests thread; that seems to be working pretty well.
Thanks for posting this mom2boys! I'll be glad to work with everyone to help Travel Deals improve. I'm all ears.
It seems REQUESTS have been overwhelming the forum and is the biggest issue here at the moment. Am I right? If so, then lets begin with that and go from there.
So far I've heard that having its own thread would be better. The only thing I see that could be problematic is that the thread would become so large with pages and pages of Requests that people won't bother responding at all. Do you think that would happen?
I know we've talked about this before, but what about having categories like in Hot Deals? That way you can choose to see the threads you want to see. So for example: If I want to see only Hotel deals, then I can set the filter to only show those, etc. It would then give the forum more of a Hot Deals feel to it I think. What do you think?
The travel forum does not seem to have many posts or much traffic generally - compared to the other 5 forums I regularly check on FW.
Most users seem to pop up on here only once in a great while when they have a specific question, so it makes sense that there are a lot of people posting threads who aren't used to the rules or who don't think that the rules should apply to them because they are only going to post one question and not be a regular user.
I personally am not bothered by most of these inane questions that get some readers' knickers in a twist, but maybe that's because I don't read the thread unless the topic is interesting to me or if I feel I can directly help.
Once in a while I see travel-related questions/deals posted in the main forums (hot deals/deal discussion) instead of here, and I think to myself that these travel-themed threads don't seem to be moved to this forum in the same way that most posts are moved hastily to other forums if deemed in the wrong place.
One way to improve the original-post quality would be to improve the site's search function/retained history. It is a common plea to people on FW to use the search function first, but sometimes searches simply do not turn up helpful threads from the past that were about the same topic.
One thing that is a little off-putting to me about this forum is how people who have asked a good, relevant question or comment about travel are sometimes simply told to take themselves off to a different travel website to find the answer (Flyertalk, the forums about getting good Priceline deals, etc.) Out of the FW forums I regularly visit, I think Travel is the only one that does this. Maybe that is because it is just a minor forum for this site and it can't compete with these other, well-developed, higher-traffic travel-focussed sites, and that is fine. But, to me, it limits the focus of this forum, and it has made me simply go to those other external websites first with most of the travel questions that I have or interests that I want to discuss, without even putting them on the Travel forum. I would bet that this is how many other FW regulars also think/act.
As it stands, the Travel forum seems mostly to be a repository of certain information that is in the pinned threads at the top of the page, such as how to find good hotel deals, car rental codes, Las Vegas specific info, etc. There isn't anything wrong with its being mostly a reference source instead of an active forum.
If it's a request for information thread that someone is starting, you could have a set form come up (instead of the "STOP! Read the rules" warning) that would force the person to fill out the request logically and with specific info at specific points in the form, kind of like the CashBack investigation form does.
One way to improve the original-post quality would be to improve the site's search function/retained history. It is a common plea to people on FW to use the search function first, but sometimes searches simply do not turn up helpful threads from the past that were about the same topic.
If it's a request for information thread that someone is starting, you could have a set form come up (instead of the "STOP! Read the rules" warning) that would force the person to fill out the request logically and with specific info at specific points in the form, kind of like the CashBack investigation form does.
We are currently working on improving the search function and realize its importance to the community.
Having a set form is a great idea. We are actually in the process of implementing one for HD's so it wouldn't be hard to have one for Travel Deals too.
May be there should be a Travel Discussion forum along with Travel Deals somewhat in parallel to Hot Deals/ Del Discussions. All the requests/discussions/reviews to go to T. Discussions while true deals remained here.
pulokk23
Member
posted: Jan. 22, 2009 @ 8:59a
Two forums:
1) "Travel Deals" This would be for posting found deals. Any posts with "Beg" or "Request" in the title, for example, would be gently advised to move on to:
2) "Travel Requests" This would be the free-for-all where all the travel requests are posted, whether or not the OP demonstrates any effort on their own, and/or share nothing usefull to anyone else.
aacharya
Addicted Member
posted: Jan. 22, 2009 @ 9:14a
In response to someone not liking the reference to FlyerTalk or betterbidding - sometimes the question is best answered there. In reality, that post shouldn't even make it on this forum, since this is travel deals, after all. At least the forum members are helping the OP find the information.
Our only other option is to ignore the post, or give the OP red.
I vote for travel discussion in addition to travel deals. There are diamonds in the rough here (like the LV Hotel Discount thread) but then there is a lot of stupid crap.. a terrible signal to noise ratio. Like others, I only occasionally check this forum for travel deals, compared to the other forums I use. Hopefully FW will make a slight investment in time (and correspondingly money) to make this a better place for travel deals.
aacharya said: In response to someone not liking the reference to FlyerTalk or betterbidding - sometimes the question is best answered there. In reality, that post shouldn't even make it on this forum, since this is travel deals, after all. At least the forum members are helping the OP find the information.
Our only other option is to ignore the post, or give the OP red.
If I could give you more green I would.I find it incredible that someone would be offended by referral to those resources.
I send people to those forums all the time. That is a way to be extremely helpful, IMHO. We can't be expected to know everything about everything- and THAT IS WHERE THE CURRENT INFO CAN (PROBABLY) BE FOUND.
It's kind of like being a reference librarian- we don't expect them to know everything about everything, for crying out loud- but we do hope they can help us locate the information.
Minyan
Ancient Member
posted: Jan. 22, 2009 @ 12:03p
It is time to maintain the integrity of Travel Deals forum and stop turning it into a free travel planning service for newbies and lurkers who don't want to do the most basic backgound research on their own.
FW management has to decide what they want out of the Travel Deals Forum.
It is their playground and they are entitled to make the rules.
However, those of us who regularly contribute the responses and information, have the right to pack up our bat and ball and find another playground where the game better meets our needs.
As others have posted, I would like to see a category for nothing but deals.
I personally don't see anything wrong with reasonable requests for help, but that does not include the current free-for-all where newbies and lurkers are placing orders for travel planning and then get nasty if they are not satisfied with the level of service.
Any and all requests should be in a separate category so as not to dilute the value of the true travel deals and that category should be monitored for requests that do not provide the required information.
The FAQ's are too long and it would appear that nobody is reading them before posting.
Keep it simple - Make it clear that this is not a travel planning service and that members of the community are willing to share information and deals with those who have demonstrated that they have made significant efforts on their own behalf. Indicate that postings that do not meet these criteria will be deleted. Then enforce that statement.
Minyan said: Keep it simple - Make it clear that this is not a travel planning service and that members of the community are willing to share information and deals with those who have demonstrated that they have made significant efforts on their own behalf. Indicate that postings that do not meet these criteria will be deleted. Then enforce that statement.
Makes sense; the requirements for posting a REQUEST are clear; requests that don't conform should be deleted, and a PM sent by the mods to the OP stating why. This will also help avoid the threads degenerating into non-travel-related sniping as the "regulars" point out to the OPs exactly what they did wrong.
I've never been a mod so I'm not sure how much extra work this is...but I'm confident that a few of the people who posted in this thread would be willing to volunteer!
So, having been an active member on this forum for many years, here are my thoughts: 1. I believe this has been discussed before, and although I have definitely seen more moderation, it is still not enough. 2. I personally think having a separate forum for requests and deals is not the best approach. There is little to no new traffic daily to warrant a separate forum for deals. Also, I wholeheartedly agree with Muffin that a separate request thread "would become so large with pages and pages of Requests that people won't bother responding at all". So, I do not think that is the best approach either. 3. The first and easiest thing the moderators could do would be to lock (or delete) any request thread that does not meet the posting guidelines. Period. If locked or deleted, there should be a message back to the poster asking them to re-post with more adequate information. This itself would reduce the clutter and encourage appropriate posting behavior. 4. I believe FW gets some revenue from advertising, suppliers, etc. I think one of the values of the Deals Forum is when a vendor provides a special deal, code, etc for FW community. Why not reach out to Priceline, TravelZoo, etc to see if they could provide some travel deals for the FW community - perhaps in lieu of some advertising? That may even get some excitement into this board.
We need an FAQ for the car rental thread. I'd be happy to contribute but don't really want to do it all myself. It would be a good thing to point people to for general info and how to ask correctly.
OTOH- people get really cranky when Sheryl does this on BFT -- one of those danged if you do and danged if you don't situations.
wiseguy1100 said: So, having been an active member on this forum for many years, here are my thoughts: 1. I believe this has been discussed before, and although I have definitely seen more moderation, it is still not enough. 2. I personally think having a separate forum for requests and deals is not the best approach. There is little to no new traffic daily to warrant a separate forum for deals. Also, I wholeheartedly agree with Muffin that a separate request thread "would become so large with pages and pages of Requests that people won't bother responding at all". So, I do not think that is the best approach either. 3. The first and easiest thing the moderators could do would be to lock (or delete) any request thread that does not meet the posting guidelines. Period. If locked or deleted, there should be a message back to the poster asking them to re-post with more adequate information. This itself would reduce the clutter and encourage appropriate posting behavior. 4. I believe FW gets some revenue from advertising, suppliers, etc. I think one of the values of the Deals Forum is when a vendor provides a special deal, code, etc for FW community. Why not reach out to Priceline, TravelZoo, etc to see if they could provide some travel deals for the FW community - perhaps in lieu of some advertising? That may even get some excitement into this board.
No wonder you are a WISEGUY!! Great idea if it would be enforced and handled.
1) "Travel Deals" This would be for posting found deals. Any posts with "Beg" or "Request" in the title, for example, would be gently advised to move on to:
2) "Travel Requests" This would be the free-for-all where all the travel requests are posted, whether or not the OP demonstrates any effort on their own, and/or share nothing usefull to anyone else.
First of all, let me apologize for having confused this forum as being for both travel deals (like "hot deals") AND travel discussion where people can ask questions and mull over topics (like "deal discussion" - well, to the extent that mulling happens there! I suppose that there is more mulling and comment on "finance", which I like, but I realize some people just want 20 words or less of a "deal" and that's it.) I honestly thought that was what this forum was for, and how I personally had used it, to the extent that I have used it. But I think I had been slightly mistaken. Which is fine.
If you don't want people to bring up open-ended topics and to ask folks' thoughts and advice on "travel deals", then definitely I would add to the voices suggesting you create a "travel discussion" forum as well as a "travel deals" forum. I really don't think it matters that few people would post on it at present -- give it some time to grow and find its audience... it's not like it's taking up space anywhere but the "ether". It's not like you have a capacity limit on forums that you provide (as far as I know).
Also, someone above replied to one of my comments thus: "I find it incredible that someone would be offended by referral to those resources. I send people to those forums all the time. That is a way to be extremely helpful, IMHO. We can't be expected to know everything about everything- and THAT IS WHERE THE CURRENT INFO CAN (PROBABLY) BE FOUND."
Let me reply that I am not offended by receiving referrals. I don't expect the users here to be a library or complete reference source. Of course you can tell people to go elsewhere to look for information, especially when it's not done in a snarky tone. However, what I was saying is that this shooing people away does not seem to happen on other forums on Fatwallet (e.g., people on "deal discussion" do not tell people just to go to "SD" or whatever it is, or to go to the "woot" forum or whatever it is -- as you can see, I'm not au fait with all those other sites, but you get my point.) People on the travel forum sometimes treat a poster as if he/she is stupid for turning to the travel forum for information, and swiftly send them off somewhere else. I think this is one of the reasons that the travel forum doesn't have much traffic. As I said, this practice sends me off to other forums and it leads me not to even think of the FW travel forum as being a place where I can get much information and advice. Maybe -- now that I realize it's only for travel deals and not for travel advice or discussion -- that is what FW wants for this forum. I was simply describing my experience and my opinion, and that is as valid as any other individual's opinion.
OK, so here's what I'm thinking so far. I really like the New Topic template idea to help out the REQUEST posters. I think that would really help, but I know that having that implemented will take some time because they are still working out the details with the one we're creating for Hot Deals. I'm sure that as soon as it's up and running in Hot Deals and see how the community responds, then we'll have a better idea on how to exactly format the one for Travel Deals.
HOWEVER, we need to figure out something we can do in the meantime to get the Travel Deals community jumping again.
Wiseguy1100 is correct about not having enough traffic for two separate forums. Like I mentioned in my previous post, having categories would be extremely helpful. Here's the Readers Digest version of what I'm thinking...
When someone goes to post a new topic they would see something like this...
Brief instructions on how to post a Travel Deal, Discussion (more along the lines of travel news, things like that) and Travel Requests.
After they have posted, the mods will then categorize it. The members then can customize what they want to see from the options on the left, just like in Hot Deals.
I won't be back until Tuesday night so let the ideas flow and let me know what you guys think of this idea. You can totally disagree, agree, add more to it or simple red it to oblivion! You won't hurt my feelings.
I'm sorry it has taken so long for this makeover to start. I will truly do my best to help and get this rolling in a good direction. If you have any personal comments you would like to share, please feel free to PM me. I'll be happy to assist.
*I like the idea of having an Advice and/or Travel Experience thread. It would be fun to hear peoples travel stories. I think it would lighten up the forum too. * I know, I know, one thing at a time.
I understand that there's not enough traffic now for two separate forums, but creating a different structure than the existing hot deals/deal discussion forum seems to be confusing to me, as a senior member, let alone to the new members that are just joining. If the Travel Deals forum is going to be something that's a priority then the time and money should be invested in two separate, mirror forums. Otherwise, just do what your competitor SD does and include travel deals with the hot deals and allow tags that display right on the index page (and are easier to filter on).
While for most frequent travel discussion I use Flyertalk, I actually have gotten more deals here since for example, a deal with Avis would get posted on the Avis forum, and I don't read the Avis forum that much. So I still get some value out of this place, but its still depressing after I click through hot deals (a couple of minutes) finance (where I spend more time for the discussions) and then 1 click, that quick in travel deals.
dstankus2 said: Just to provide a little (hopefully humorous) balance, at least we don't get these questions here (copied from a post on TripAdvisor LV forum):
"Hi everyone:
Wife and i are planning a trip this summer to Las Vegas and Laughlin,how's the traffic on E.Tropicana Ave.headed for I515 S ?"
I cringed a little thinking about what the responses would have been here.....
That's actually reasonable compared to some of the questions I've seen on the TA LV Forums.
"How hot will it be there during the summer?"
"At what casinos can I play blackjack?"
"How much money should I bring for gambling?"
ryancmor17
Member
posted: Jan. 24, 2009 @ 10:57p
Travel deals cannot and will not function like Hot deals. In hot deals if a hard drive is free after rebate most people can take advandage of it. If there is a flight from Oaklahoma City to Fargo free not too many people can take advantage of it. Travel deals needs to only include genaric deals and best conbinations of those deals. If you are intelligent enought to sign up and post on a forum you are smart enought to book your own travel.
IMHO 2 goal for a post in the travel forumm should be to improve a sticky thread or to create a thread that is meaningful enough to become a sticky when mature enought. The chatter and discussion should be easily filtered. It's not a forum to decide which parks to hit while in Orlando or which cruise line is the best.
ryancmor17 said: Travel deals cannot and will not function like Hot deals. In hot deals if a hard drive is free after rebate most people can take advandage of it. If there is a flight from Oaklahoma City to Fargo free not too many people can take advantage of it. Travel deals needs to only include genaric deals and best conbinations of those deals. Respectfully, I'm not sure I agree. If I personally have no use for a hard drive, even if it's free, it's as useless to me as a hot deal on a flight from Oklahoma City to Fargo if I don't need to go there....
ryancmor17 said: If you are intelligent enought to sign up and post on a forum you are smart enought to book your own travel. That's part of the problem! Yes, if you can figure out how to turn on the computer and access the internet, it's probably pretty likely that you've heard of this obscure little thing called Google. And, if you've found your way to FW, and Travel Deals, that you could maybe search some of the sticky threads that have deals. But, some people with the requests don't seem to be able to do any of that, instead acting like this forum is some sort of Travel Agency, and getting huffy (or worse) when the folks here point out that they should search around first, then post here with some intelligence/research behind the questions.
I recognize your U/N from Hot Deals; if someone posted there with "Hey, I need a TV; any good deals out there?" what would the reaction be?
ryancmor17 said: It's not a forum to decide which parks to hit while in Orlando or which cruise line is the best.
Agree; that's what TripAdvisor's forums are for. Although, it's sometimes tough to refrain from opining on the merits of one hotel vs another, even in a deals discussion!
ryancmor17
Member
posted: Jan. 25, 2009 @ 8:05p
dstankus2 said: If I personally have no use for a hard drive, even if it's free, it's as useless to me as a hot deal on a flight from Oklahoma City to Fargo if I don't need to go there....
That is the difference. Do you see mom a pop shops in the hot deals section? No, because they are not for most people. Anything that might not be available to everyone gets a warning YMMV so it can be avoided if desired. If it was a national deal than even if you did not want the free\cheap item at least you had the option and was worth your time to browse. Looking through 4 pages of local deals makes me want to cry. Same as the targeted card offers that get posted in the finance forum, who cares what you received if only the 5 people who belong to your credit union can get the deal.
dstankus2 said: That's part of the problem! Yes, if you can figure out how to turn on the computer and access the internet, it's probably pretty likely that you've heard of this obscure little thing called Google. And, if you've found your way to FW, and Travel Deals, that you could maybe search some of the sticky threads that have deals. But, some people with the requests don't seem to be able to do any of that......
Wait a minute they just did that to get to FW travel and post a new topic. If they can't then they should get a reminder to read the FAQ, if they fail to comply they get the ban stick. If you are new and see random request getting red\warned\banned you might think twice about posting the same thing and read the FAQ. If you come to a forum and post blindly you deserve to get banned.
ryancmor17 said: Wait a minute they just did that to get to FW travel and post a new topic. If they can't then they should get a reminder to read the FAQ, if they fail to comply they get the ban stick. If you are new and see random request getting redwarnedbanned you might think twice about posting the same thing and read the FAQ. If you come to a forum and post blindly you deserve to get banned.I can use google for price_line and hot_wire help and end up at a site like biddingfortravel.com or betterbidding.com. It has been a while since I posted at either ofthose places, so I forget if this applies to both sites: If you do not post in the correct format (right down to the information in the subject line) you are prompted to revise your post and help is withheld until you do; and in some cases it is revised for you. Although this may seem like a hard a$$ approach, it makes it extremely easy for others to search for related information on those sites (i.e. what hotel is popping up for my dates and what rates have been accepted as winning bids).
IMO, the thread that starts out here as a Request with little or no info ends up as clutter because of the back and forth with the OP re: the info they should have posted the first time, or the OP just disappears. A disorganized thread is not likely to provide any useful information for others. Recent poor Requests have not provided with the OPs with much either, as they have degraded into shouting matches and pi$$ing contests.
Make the requirements for a Request clear cut. If the requirements are ignored, so too should be the post (or simply locked/deleted).
I think that all these ideas are awesome. The other posters are correct when they say there has been little of travel deals posted lately. It has gotten to the point that I post any type of deal I find and green anyone for posting some sort of deal, thinking that people may see that and learn by example, but that has not happened. I really think that some type of self moderation may have to happen where we just flag people. Also, maybe a link to the sticky with airline and hotel sites where people can find deals on the posting faq (warning), so they are less apt to ask and clutter up the board. I love this thread and have used many of the deals.
Have ya'll noticed that Fatwallet has a paid ad for the Monte Carlo on the Hot Deals page??!!
If I had posted that deal there, I'd have gotten a curt "off topic" e-mail from a mod and the post would have been sent to Siberia!
Anyway, as someone below said, it's their game and their football....
Of course, I'm just working off some pent up anger at getting "off topic" e-mails and I hate seeing paid ads on the top of the Hot Deals page, so take my comments for what they are worth.
BTW and definitely on topic...I have gotten some truly great deals off this Travel forum...especially rental cars and hotels. That $20 sandwich thing is like a magic wand!!! What I'd like to see is daily bargains on airfare...one for foreign and one for domestic. I subscribe to Travelocity's farewatcher for Las Vegas, Miami, SF and Paris and it's slow. Frequently the deals are shot by when I get to see them.
I would like to see a thread that only posts hot domestic/hot international travel in a format similar to what Las Vegas Hotel Promos offers. If that's been available, i guess I just haven't been watching and reading carefully enough and that's certainly possible.
I would like to see a thread that only posts hot domestic/hot international travel in a format similar to what Las Vegas Hotel Promos offers. If that's been available, i guess I just haven't been watching and reading carefully enough and that's certainly possible.
The hot fares disappear in 60 minutes. Why should this forum be cluttered with dead deals?
I don't think ANY 'Requests' should be allowed on this site. I love to travel myself and I'm always looking for a good deal on airfare if someone finds one. For hotel, car rental and sightseeing info people have many other sites to use (Trip Advisor, ThornTree forum, etc). I've used these sites myself while setting up trips out of the country and to share travel info when I get home.
What those other sites DON'T have are up-to-date postings on great airfare deals.
What about giving the Requests with no information the proper guidelines for posting and a couple of places to search...in a very nice, polite way. If within 24 hours OP doesn't update it goes into the generic REQUESTS ONLY THREAD. OP can then search thru and find if they decided to come back.
Those who choose to post correctly can have the post remain in the main forum and get assistance from those who help. Hopefully those who post correctly and get good assistance (posting correctly would include showing research)will come back and thank and follow up.
It appears to be unfair to those who have been here for a long time to have to sift through the request after request with no reserch looking for travel deals. I have taken to helping via PM ...a person with Disney help and and Arizona one. I got very nice thanks and follow up.
What do others think of this as muffin put it "free for all" request thread\?
lkas
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 30, 2009 @ 9:10a
mom2boys said: What about giving the Requests with no information the proper guidelines for posting and a couple of places to search...in a very nice, polite way. If within 24 hours OP doesn't update it goes into the generic REQUESTS ONLY THREAD. OP can then search thru and find if they decided to come back.I'd guess that no more than 25% of improper requests actually follow-up with correct information. Even if someone posts a helpful response, we're probably not going to hear from the OP again. If FW wants to allow members 24hrs to update improper requests, it should be deleted it if they don't properly update it. A giant REQUESTS ONLY thread isn't progress. Just a mess. What do others think of this as muffin put it "free for all" request thread?If the organized FAQs and destination-specific threads are ignored, a giant REQUESTS ONLY thread will be chaos.
thegoodstuffsher said: Well it appears we have been abandoned.Have heard nothing for days.Now this post is under moderation for what reason? Minyan told me he is done for good.Bestbuysucks red's everyone's post for no reason.And members requesting help want to Red or Argue with you when you ask for additional info.And mom2boys is running around with a Bag on her head.What more could you ask for,Life is Great!!
And damn it why can't we get more emotions!!!
I'm going the way of Minyan now. I am done because of some issues in the past few days.
Good luck with travel deals everyone...they are getting harder and harder to find here due to all the requests.
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