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Much discussion in the Best current APRs: The Daughter of The Mother of All Banking, Checking, Saving, and Money Market, Interest Rate Threads!, so I decided to start a thread specifically for Salem Five Platinum Cash Account Discussion.

Money market account rate based on the one month LIBOR index.

Account Overview

* Free unlimited checkwriting
* Free unlimited transactions
* Free Online Banking and Bill Pay
* Free ATMs worldwide
* Free traveler's checks

Current Rate: 3.86% APY (YES, IT IS A LOUSY RATE)

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This is no big deal for such a large deposit.
LIBOR according to your link is 4.37% so that bank APR is 3.87%
Were you serious when you posted this lousy topic?

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adityanm said:This is no big deal for such a large deposit.
LIBOR according to your link is 4.37% so that bank APR is 3.87%
Were you serious when you posted this lousy topic?

I appreciate Goldsheets help in starting a discussion thread for this account but agree under the new terms this is no longer a good account. Before the changes it was a very good account for some. I find it great to have a true checking account with bill pay and free ATM's that pays better than an MM. I did some research before opening and like the fact the 1-month Libor has always been a little ahead of our Fed rate. Hear so much here about "the FED raised today, How soon will ED go up?" With this account I don't have to wonder when. Looking at where the 1 month Libor rate is now and where it should be on Jan 1st looks like this account will be over 4.45%. Also DIF is a great plus. I know some say it's not as good as FDIC but I have confidence in it. I had a Grandfather who had his lifesavings of almost a Million dollars in a DIF insured bank that went under in the mid 80's when a number of MA banks failed and he got every penny with no delay

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adityanm said:This is no big deal for such a large deposit.
LIBOR according to your link is 4.37% so that bank APR is 3.87%
Were you serious when you posted this lousy topic?


Serious, yes, but I made no claim as to it being a "big deal"
Personally, I never liked the account even when the rate was higher.

I posted this "lousy topic" to provide a proper forum for those interested
in Salem Five to be able to discuus it here, instead of in the APR thread.
Yes, I will also admit to being selfish, becasue the APR rate thread has
more discussion lately than actual posts about "big deal" APRs.

P.S. I even gave you comment a green !

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Ha ha

"APY is 0.10% for balances below $200,000. Monthly fee of $30.00 for average daily balances below $50,000. "

Ouch!

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misterchimpy said:Ha ha

"APY is 0.10% for balances below $200,000. Monthly fee of $30.00 for average daily balances below $50,000. "

Ouch!

But no one who would open that account would plan on either of those things happening, You would simply close it first. It's not a CD and has no penalty if you close a month after opening. You show me any checking account paying better than 4.38% and offers the other benefits this account gives you. Seems it must have drawn a bit of "interest" as they changed to that minus 1/2% point only a month after offering but I am locked into the full Libor rate for the life of this account. But why would I expect some here to understand this account, Seems they only understand moving their few thousand back and fourth from ING, ED to WFB or too wherever they can get a $25 bonus

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scott1961 said:misterchimpy said:Ha ha

"APY is 0.10% for balances below $200,000. Monthly fee of $30.00 for average daily balances below $50,000. "

Ouch!

But no one who would open that account would plan on either of those things happening, You would simply close it first. It's not a CD and has no penalty if you close a month after opening. You show me any checking account paying better than 4.38% and offers the other benefits this account gives you. Seems it must have drawn a bit of "interest" as they changed to that minus 1/2% point only a month after offering but I am locked into the full Libor rate for the life of this account.


I thought those who were grandfathered into these accounts were only promised one month of full Libor, after which they are going to be subject to the same Libor-0.5% deal...

I got in on the 4.25% 9 month CD from Salem Five a couple of months ago and I'm happy with that. Another 1/8% would be nice, but at least my rate is solid (and I can get out any time I want with no penalty if/when rates jump). And the DIF insurance is a MAJOR plus for a big account.

My favorite quote from you is

But why would I expect some here to understand this account, Seems they only understand moving their few thousand back and fourth from ING, ED to WFB or too wherever they can get a $25 bonus

Amen. I read about people getting excited about an account offering a $25 or $50 or $100 bonus, or a product equivalent (iPod shuffle) and I wonder WFT? I mean, if that's the kind of money you're looking to corner by constantly monitoring this board and moving money around (big hassle), why even bother? Your time has got to be more valuable than that...

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KwadGuy said:
I thought those who were grandfathered into these accounts were only promised one month of full Libor, after which they are going to be subject to the same Libor-0.5% deal...

I got in on the 4.25% 9 month CD from Salem Five a couple of months ago and I'm happy with that. Another 1/8% would be nice, but at least my rate is solid (and I can get out any time I want with no penalty if/when rates jump). And the DIF insurance is a MAJOR plus for a big account.

KwadGuy, Where did you hear that? I was in branch yesterday and talked to manager and was not told that. But also was not able to pin her down on what I could expect in the future other than my account will not change as of now. I had two of those no-penalty CD's and already closed one and added to the platinum and the other pays interest next week and planning on doing the same but would not if what you say is true. Would not really mind if they did change my account after a month as I am starting to feel it might be getting close to where I should start locking in some more CD's and this would give me the excuse to close and not feel guilty.

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scott1961 said: You show me any checking account paying better than 4.38% and offers the other benefits this account gives you. Seems it must have drawn a bit of "interest" as they changed to that minus 1/2% point only a month after offering but I am locked into the full Libor rate for the life of this account. But why would I expect some here to understand this account, Seems they only understand moving their few thousand back and fourth from ING, ED to WFB or too wherever they can get a $25 bonus

Goto any full service brokerage house and get one of there cash management products if you open thoses account with over $100K or $250K depending on the house you can get into institutional MMF. Sure it not FDIC insured but neither is any balance over $100K at Salem and most brokerage houses charge $125-175 a year to have these accounts but they are yeilding in many cases today north of 4.40% taxable and slightly over 3% tax-free. You also can buy Prefered Stocks from these same full service brokerage houses they are paying close to 4.8% taxable or ARS which pay north of 3.00% tax-free. With alot of cash management accounts they will let you write check against Prefered Stock or ARS held in the same account without charging margain. They will just liquidate as checks are cleared.

So dont think this deal is hottest deal around even at straigh libor you can come close to it at many other places if you have $200K except other places will charge an annual fee but if you got $200K with them and you end up making 10 bais points extra a year you will make back the annual fee and then some.

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Yeah, I'm sure there are many threads for this but an even better deal is to open a treasury direct account, current 6 month t bill rates are 4.37% and the interest is exempt from state taxes, which can increase your effective yield by another 5-10% depending on what state you live in.

http://wwws.publicdebt.treas.gov/AI/OFBills

I still find the terms of this account to be punitive, if you aren't paying close attention to it, the interest rate could drop to zero. If you have that much money, put it into short term tbills(ladder it so that you have some coming due every few weeks), have that account feed into an online savings account, and keep a low balance 'free' checking account and transfer money in as needed.

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dolmar said:scott1961 said: You show me any checking account paying better than 4.38% and offers the other benefits this account gives you. Seems it must have drawn a bit of "interest" as they changed to that minus 1/2% point only a month after offering but I am locked into the full Libor rate for the life of this account. But why would I expect some here to understand this account, Seems they only understand moving their few thousand back and fourth from ING, ED to WFB or too wherever they can get a $25 bonus

Goto any full service brokerage house and get one of there cash management products if you open thoses account with over $100K or $250K depending on the house you can get into institutional MMF. Sure it not FDIC insured but neither is any balance over $100K at Salem and most brokerage houses charge $125-175 a year to have these accounts but they are yeilding in many cases today north of 4.40% taxable and slightly over 3% tax-free. You also can buy Prefered Stocks from these same full service brokerage houses they are paying close to 4.8% taxable or ARS which pay north of 3.00% tax-free. With alot of cash management accounts they will let you write check against Prefered Stock or ARS held in the same account without charging margain. They will just liquidate as checks are cleared.

So dont think this deal is hottest deal around even at straigh libor you can come close to it at many other places if you have $200K except other places will charge an annual fee but if you got $200K with them and you end up making 10 bais points extra a year you will make back the annual fee and then some.


First off, the Salem Five account is insured for amounts > $100K by the DIF fund, which is the original depositor insurance fund (preceeded the FDIC fund, which was modeled on the DIF). Second off, any stock fund, preferred or not, can hardly be compared with a very low risk CD or money market investment.

If you are parking cash in excess of $200K, which is where the Salem Five account gets interesting, then that DIF insurance is of real and significant value.

Kwad

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KwadGuy said:First off, the Salem Five account is insured for amounts > $100K by the DIF fund, which is the original depositor insurance fund (preceeded the FDIC fund, which was modeled on the DIF). Second off, any stock fund, preferred or not, can hardly be compared with a very low risk CD or money market investment.

If you are parking cash in excess of $200K, which is where the Salem Five account gets interesting, then that DIF insurance is of real and significant value.

Kwad


Where did I say stock fund? I said Money Market Fund. Money market funds always trade at a nav price of 1. Do you know what prefered stock is? it is a basically bond from a public company it is secured prefered debt from the company. Some companys issue Prefered Stock in 7,28,35 days, 1 year, 5 year and 10 year. They are sold like bonds. All the Prefered Stock between 7 and 35 days sales at par always so there is no risk to priciple except if the company goes bankrupt.

Any company with large cash balances buys into these type of taxable intruments or ARS which are basically same type of intrument except issued by Muni. ARS are consider as safe as a CD no one ever lost money on a bond issued by a MUNI ever. The only 2 Muni to ever file bankruptcy either paid on priciple + interest within a couple of years back or insurance companys and banks paid off investors while they waited to get paid back by the Muni itself. They are basically a steping stone between bank accounts and Investment bank account where you can buy VRDO and VRDN which pay even a higher yeild except you need to have over $1MM to open thoses account so I not even going to bother to compare those type of accounts.

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misterchimpy said:

I still find the terms of this account to be punitive, if you aren't paying close attention to it, the interest rate could drop to zero. If you have that much money, put it into short term tbills(ladder it so that you have some coming due every few weeks), have that account feed into an online savings account, and keep a low balance 'free' checking account and transfer money in as needed.

Paying close attention? How hard is it to keep track of your balance? And one of the things I like about this account is being able to write checks out of it and getting high interest till the check clears. I have a number of other accounts including most of the top ones listed here, Is just nice to find a local bank with a good rate plus with offering those other features I can use it as my primary bank. But if it does change to minus 1/2% account will get closed

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misterchimpy said:Yeah, I'm sure there are many threads for this but an even better deal is to open a treasury direct account, current 6 month t bill rates are 4.37% and the interest is exempt from state taxes, which can increase your effective yield by another 5-10% depending on what state you live in.

T-Bills are not a good investment for anyone who is subject to US income tax. Largest buyer of T-Bills are goverments and non us reseidents and there is a reason for it. They are parking there money here because our interest rates are higher than there own country. For you to be able to get a higher yeild over what FDIC account pays you have to go out 6 months min and if you do you can get short term munis which pay considerable more if you are subject to US income taxes so why even bother with T-Bills if you dont need liquidity. Most Muni are considered to be almost as safe as T-Bills.

6 months Muni today are paying 3.20-3.50% which puts your yeild close or above 6% depending on your marginal tax bracket.

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dolmar said:
T-Bills are not a good investment for anyone who is subject to US income tax. Largest buyer of T-Bills are goverments and non us reseidents and there is a reason for it. They are parking there money here because our interest rates are higher than there own country. For you to be able to get a higher yeild over what FDIC account pays you have to go out 6 months min and if you do you can get short term munis which pay considerable more if you are subject to US income taxes so why even bother with T-Bills if you dont need liquidity. Most Muni are considered to be almost as safe as T-Bills.

6 months Muni today are paying 3.20-3.50% which puts your yeild close or above 6% depending on your marginal tax bracket.


There are so many things wrong with what you said.

"T-bills are not a good investment for anyone who is subject to US income tax" Huh????? The yields I quoted are current yields and at or higher any yield quoted elsewhere in the thread, and have the advantage of being exempt from state income tax. If you live in a state with no income tax, then you might be able to make a stronger case for a bank deposit. That would also hurt your muni argument as well, btw.

Yes, foreigners have kept yields artifically low but that is at the long end of the curve(10-30 years), a completely different investment than what we are talking about. Besides you contradict yourself, by noting that interest rates in the U.S. are 'higher than any other country'

Yes, you do have to go out 6 months to get comparable yields. However, with a minimal effort, you can 'ladder' your bill investments so that some come due at any given interval(they are issued weekly, so take your pick). This also mitigates interest rate risk. And if you need the money, just don't reinvest some of the bills. You can also sell them if you need to at nominal commission.

Treasury Direct accounts have minimal fees($25/year on accounts over $100k, none for less), no commissions, and only invest in US Treasury securities. It is about a 'vanilla' and low risk investment that you can make.

Your argument about muni investments are flawed. First, they would be subject to brokerage commissions, not to mention spreads and liquidity. Second, tax deductibility can vary according to state, some states will only exempt interest from their own munis, for example. On the federal level, there may be AMT issues, also certain types of munis are not exempt. Third, your statement that most Muni are considered to be almost as safe as t-bills is incorrect. You have geographic risk, as well as political risk, last time I checked states and cities could not print money to fix their problems!

If you live in a state like California, with high marginal rates and a very active and liquid muni market, munis may make sense if you are willing to do some legwork. But it would take a lot more work than a simple t-bill laddering strategy. I'm not saying it's not worth it, what I am saying is that you can improve on these checking account strategies that so many threads are devoted to, with minimal effort and minimal additional risk.

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Where do you want me to start? First off buy Muni bonds from an underwriting firm or bank there is no commision on new issues. Even places like Fidelity sell new offerings at underwritten cost to retail investers. If you buy a Muni from the secordy market all cost is built into the yeilds at many places. Yes you can goto to a full service broker and get riped off but you can also buy T-Bill from them get riped off so not sure what your point on commission really is. Finding an AMT exempt bond is not hard as matter of fact most Muni bonds are not subject to AMT as long as the procedes are for general public use. So for most part only Muni bonds subject to AMT are bonds to finiace stadiums and toll bridges and other private semi public entities.

Have you ever heard of a Muni ladder? Got a Fidelity account? They will build one for you from all bonds in inventory and all commision is built into the yield. You need to be an idoit to buy a Muni bond from another state if your home state has income tax over an bond issued by your own state.

I went to Fedility used there generic Muni Ladder builder pick Guam. So the bonds would be exempt from both state and federal tax in all states. Used 6 months to 1 year Muni that are not subject to AMT. 1 Muni expiring every month from June till Dec of next year. According to Fidelity your yeild would be 3.62% net. I built this ladder in $5K blocks. Sorry there web page wont build a ladder spaced out ever week shortest duration is monthly.

Now if your going out and buying 6 month T-Bill and holding them to maturity why cant you do the same for Muni bonds. While I will agree selling some Muni bonds early will result in discounting the bonds there is no liquidy problem as most banks or brokerage houses will just buy them form you at discount. In some states tho like NY or CA selling the bonds is not issue and you wont be forced to discount them at all.

Many Muni Bonds are insured and carry a letter of credit for a reason. No Muni has ever discharged a bond in BK. Only 2 Munis have every filed for BK but they paid back every dollar and all interest owned. So yes GO us Debt is safer but a Muni by no means is a high risk investment and there yeilds are much better.

Just want to make sure you do understand 4.37% is subject to Federal tax if you are in 25% tax braket( which is very low honestly) you do understand that 4.37% becomes 3.27% that is not better than a short term muni if you tax bracket is any higher it all gravey.

So for you to compare a 6 month investment to liquid account and say the yield is better is really unfair so compare it to other 6 months ivestments T-Bills are not good investments anyways you look at them.

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I know very little about some of this stuff talked about here, That is why for now I just shop around for best Bank rates. About 10 years ago a Bank talked me into putting $50,000 into a Massachusetts Tax exempt bond, Would that be a Muni? If it is I should probably do more of them as it has done well. I have always taken the monthly dividend check for around $180 then after 8 years it changed to a class A and checks went up to about $220 plus once a year it pays a long and short dividend anywhere from $500 to $1500. Share price alone has brought the value up to about $68,000. And living in a high tax state like MA makes this even a better investment. All that seems pretty good for a $50K investment. So looks like I need to learn more about that stuff

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Sounds like the bank sold you a Muni bond fund. Muni dont convert share class as they are not mutual funds. You buy a muni bond for say 10 years for $100000 @ 5% interest it pays you $2500 interest every 6 months(exempted from both federal and local tax by the state it was issued) and then at the end of the 10 years you get back your $100000.

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KwadGuy said:

I thought those who were grandfathered into these accounts were only promised one month of full Libor, after which they are going to be subject to the same Libor-0.5% deal...

I think I have this cleared up, I talked to a V.P this morning and was told anyone who opened this account before 12/20 gets full Libor for life of account

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