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This is my first documented AOR. Thanks to all who have documented their AORs through painstaking documentation and I wish to return the favor. I conducted it today starting at 7AM CST.

Background:

Age: 32
HHI: 71K personal 375K HH including business
No significant debt showing on CCS (one $423 balance on an AMEX)

Current Accounts Personal:
Card Name / (Balance displayed on CR) / Credit Limit / Age in years
Chase 1 /0 /5000 /2.55
Chase 2 /0 /45000 /5.14
Citi /0 /3700 /4.89
citi AT & T /0 /9700 /4.89
Penfed reg account /0 /18000 /2.05
MBNA AMEX /0 /2000 /2.63
MBNA Quantum /0 /10900 /2.63
MBNA HGW4 /0 /1000 /2.80
MBNA HGW1 /0 /45400 /2.80
MBNA HGW1 /0 /2000 /2.80
BOA /0 /8200 /7.05
Discover /0 /6000 /7.14
Discover 2 /0 /6250 /3.80
AMEX Blue /423 /36000 /4.55
AMEX Green /0 /14000 /4.80
HSBC GMC card not showing /600 /1.50
compassbank /0 /10000 /0.47

total /423 /223750 /3.81

 


Business Cards: Carried Balance / Credit Limit (I disregarded utilization on business cards to see if it mattered, I believe this will interest some)

simply cash AMEX /59000 /71000 0 till 12/07
advanta /0 /5000
chase /9500 /10000 0 till 12/07
discover /11000 /12000 0 till 12/07
boa /20000 /20000 0 till 12/07
citi /19000 /20000 0 till 12/07
AMEX platinum business /1100 /6000 sorry forgot to add this card added 6/29

Total 119600 /144000


Inquiries 2 years
TU 6
EX 12
EQ 13

Inquiries 6 months
TU 2
EX 4
eq 2

 


Prep I did:
Reallocated 2 chase lines to 45K & 5K from 24.5K & 25.5K
Reallocated 3 MBNA cards to 45.4K
Clicked Citi button, to go from 7700 to 9700 on citi
Waited for those to show up on CR
signed up at True Credit for daily pulls and monitoring
spent 15-20 hours reading AOR threads and finding apps
signed up for fidelity account

Goal:
Diverify Credit. With substantial lines at citi, chase discover, AMEX and BOA -- I wanted to expand to the mid majors as best I could to round out credit and improve future AOR ability. BT arbitrage and bonuses.

Cards applied for and in the order. If BT requested with app it is noted.

1 HSBC CashBack -- targeted offer 0%BT fee $75 thru June 08 -- approved instant $11,500. Balance transfer req after decision -- Pulled EQ
2 ESPN WAMU -- targeted offer 0%BT fee $75 to 7/1/08 -- approved instant 30K (requested 30K BT) Pulled TU
3 Bank Atlantic business card (Juniper/Barclay) 15 mos 0% BT $75 fee -- deferred -- no bt requested. Pulled TU -- approved 6/21 afternoon, limit unknown -- 6/25 show me the money, 30K
4 FNBO 12 mos 0% 75 fee -- -- deferred -- I tried Pulled EX 6/21 and....? still pending 6/25, 6/26 still pending) 6/28 -- approved, limit unknown, 6/29 limit 15K -- we'll see still not counting my interest yet. 1 thing I didnt note $10 reward check with approval, $10 reward check at first purchase, so a $20 bonus.
5 Travelocity Juniper/Barclay 9 months 0% BT $50 fee, essentially a $100 bonus, 2% CashBack card. -- deferred -- Pulled TU -- approved 6/21 afternoon, limit unknown -- 6/25 10K
6 rbs 10 months bt 0% $60 fee -- approved instant, amount unknown Pulled EQ -- 6/25 6K
7 principal infibank $75 fee 12 mos 0% bt, req 24k to an mbna card -- deferred Pulled EX --- 6/25 still pending -- 6/26 approved 15K
8 nat city 0% bt 6 months no fee, requested 18k to citi Pulled TU -- approved 10K 6/25
9 m & t bank biz card 6 mos 0% no fee -- deferred Pulled EX ? only one Elan pull not sure its this one -- needed more info, gave it to them 6/25 -- 6/26 pulled EX on 25th and approved for 15K
10 chase sony card $100 bonus 0% 75 fee 12 mos bt, looking to reallocate -- deferred Which one did they pull? -- pulled EX -- 6/25 still pending refused to send me to analyst, hey chase arent you the biggest bank? WTF's taking so long -- 6/26 rcvd call from analyst, approved 5K
11 fidelity 1.5% cashback1.5% CashBack and expand mbna billpay -- deferred GEMB/GEMON or FIA CSNA? EQ OR EX? 6/24 Appr 5K
12 one of the elan 6 mos 0% no fee banks First Place bank 6 mos 0% no fee -- deferred Pulled EX ? only one Elan pull not sure its this one 6/25 appr 5K
13 nat city biz 0% bt 6 months no fee -- somebodys going to call me I have to sign something? -- defrred at best. Pulled yet? Pulled 6/23, 6/25 update needed info, gave it to them, 'going to approve' limit unknown. -- 6/26 limit is 20K
14 AMEX in Chicago through cardselection.com 0% no fee BT 6 months -- approved instant 15K -- Pulled EX
15 Citi's drivers edge card through cardselection.com 0% BT no fee 12 months -- nice rewards, have 12 months to make BT -- deferred Pulled EX -- 6/25 approved 3600 (see professional card limit 5 pulls later, lol, wtf)
16 schwaber $50 statement credit expand mbna billpay -- deferred' GEMB/GEMON or FIA CSNA? EQ OR EX? 6/23 Approved 5K (reduced current line by 5K, but did get fidelity 5K without reduction)
17 ge cash rewards 0% BT 12 months, but unlimited fee. if approved I can use the purchases at 0%. -- deferred -- dont think they pulled yet. 6/25 DECLINED -- REASON WAS UNABLE TO ID ME
18 US BANK 0% purchases -- DECLINED INSTANT (after further research I missed they own Elan probably the reason for decline, second app) 6/26 during M & T conversation got reason for decline -- out of geographical region.
19 penfed 1.25% CashBack card. requested 28K limit -- deferred -- pulled EQ --- approved 6/22, see notes in update
20 citi proffessional through cardselection.com -- Pulled EX -- 6/25 approved 25K (3600 on drivers edge with less inq, lol. maybe if I apply for another one with 10 inquiries showing I'll get 100K)
21 Wachovia -- phone app. Was much higher on the list, but I didnt catch I couldnt apply online. Wachovia 6 months no fee 0% BT -- long shot but figured I'd try. 'send to CC dept' -- Pulled EQ -- 6/25 10K approval. Quite pleased with this one as I almost didnt apply.
Edit: post AOR, 1 hour later -- havent pulled yet --
22 Cap one no hassle --- $500 CL instant approval -- pulled all 3

 

 

 

FAKO's (true scores are close from a recent mortgage app)
TU EX EQ
6/10/2007 774 752 763
6/11/2007 774 752 763
6/12/2007 774 752 763
6/13/2007 774 752 763
6/14/2007 774 752 763
6/15/2007 774 752 763
6/16/2007 none none none
6/17/2007 777 752 765
6/18/2007 777 752 765
6/19/2007 777 752 765
6/20/2007 777 752 765 pre AOR
6/21/2007 768 732 754 Post AOR
6/22/2007 777 716 752 Chase pulled EX, Wachovia EQ (both on 6/21) All 5 TU Inq disappeared? reporting on EX: BOA took 5K from my 45.4K account and reported the 28K billpay balance. Appears I was approved for one of fidelity or schwab with this 5K. Barclays showed up on EX with 10K limit.
6/23/2007 766 716 752 TU inqs came back, NC (Biz?) pulled 6/23
6/24/2007 756 716 706 BOA 28K billpay balance showed up on TU & EQ EQ took it especially hard.
NC inq disappeared from TU. FIA account as unknown type showed up on EX.
6/25/2007 754 716 706 NC inq came back on TU
6/26/2007 754 701 706 1 pull from Elan only thing I see on EX, not sure why 15 point drop
6/27/2007 752 701 708 FIA CSNA account showed on EX. 1 old inquiry dissolved naturally on EQ
6/28/2007 752 701 709 citi prof showed up on EX, FIA CSNA showed up on EQ.
6/29/2007 752 701 709
6/30/2007 737 701 709
7/1/2007 no pull
7/2/2007 737 698 715
7/3/2007 737 698 715
7/4/2007 737 701 715
7/5/2007 737 701 752 less than 50% util showed up on MBNA card on EQ
7/6/2007 739 694 752
7/7/2007
7/8/2007 739 696 752
7/9/2007 732 696 752
7/10/2007 732 693 752
7/11/2007 none
7/12/2007 732 693 752
7/13/2007 732 685 749 salem five pulled EQ
7/14/2007 732 685 749
7/15/2007 732 685 749
7/16/2007 721 676 748
7/17/2007 724 676 748 First bump on TU.
7/18/2007


BT Plans:
Will update after this is done.

Sent BT's from Bank Atlantic to a MBNA billpay card. Done.

HSBC & Providian -- sent 9K and 29.5K respectively to a chase card I used to open a citi bank account.

Wrote check to self on Travelocity card.

Reallocated most of free AMEX lines to IN Chicago card to get it up to 70K and sent 5 BT's to 5 billpay cards (including 2 of the wifes) to clear all of the balances. This is in process. All 5 transfers completed.

Refilled Largest MBNA line Transferred 11K from FNBO and 11K from Principal card and 15K M & T Bank to billpay card CONFIRMED INFIBANK=FNBO. Interms of BT couldnt transfer to FNBO bank.

Reallocated Chase lines to 50K and 2 smaller lines. I figure if I'm going to get adverse action its from CHASE. I requested 2 transfers totalling 48.5K (max transfer is 35K) and requested they waive the fees. Sent this to AMEX to clear it as a no fee card.

Going to refill ALL billpay cards after cycle closes and use either AMEX and/or national city and/or citibank to transfer. Ideally I could write a BT check to wife and deposit for AMEX, but would prefer to stay under radar and do 'normal transfers' Probably take me another month or so to fill everything up to where I want to be in BT land.

 

 

Inquiries:

FNB OMAHA 06/21/2007 Experian

CITI 06/21/2007 Experian

FIRST USA,NA 06/21/2007 Experian (showed up after 6/21 pull in this order)

CAPITAL ONE BANK 06/21/2007 Experian

INFIBANK 06/21/2007 Experian

AMEX 06/21/2007 Experian

CITI 06/21/2007 Experian

CBNA 06/21/2007 Experian

ELAN FINANCIAL SERVICE 06/21/2007 Experian

FIA CSNA 06/21/2007 Experian

HSBC NV 06/21/2007 Equifax

RBS 06/21/2007 Equifax

GEMB/GEMON 06/21/2007 Equifax

PENTAGON 06/21/2007 Equifax

CAPONEBANK 06/21/2007 Equifax

WACHOVIACC 06/21/2007 Equifax (showed up after 6/21 pull in this order)

CAP ONE BANK 06/21/2007 TransUnion

NCBK-NCCS 06/21/2007 TransUnion

BRCLYSBANKDE 06/21/2007 TransUnion

BRCLYSBANKDE 06/21/2007 TransUnion


WASHMTL/PROV 06/21/2007 TransUnion

NCBK-NCCS 06/23/2007 TransUnion

ELAN FINANCIAL SERVICE 06/25/2007 Experian



Where is Chase's pull? Ans: Came in later in the day.


Will add edits and updates as needed. Comments welcome.


Edit: 6/21 12:15CST to add Inquiries and credit score

Edit: 6/22 8:15 CST was approved for 2 Juniper/Barclay cards via email yesterday afternoon, unknown limit. Penfed had a note on my app page that essentially said Penfed had a hard 40k limit for a members credit cards.
i asked for 30 on the CashBack card and 10 on existing line.

Edit: 6/25 lhendricks92 style round robin calling today. Time consuming as heck. Updated most items above with a 6/25 before the notes. Pretty good news today, a little irritated with the lines 6K and below as its tough to do anything with them BT wise.

Edit 6/26 -- M & T (Elan) pulled yesterday, I guess the missing info prevented pull, but they still approved. Everything done with approval stage except FN'BO. Hoping to start getting cards and avoid neg reaction.

Edit 6/29 -- FNBO approved 6/28, found limit assigned of 15K today. Bank Atlantic limits Balance transfers to just under 20K per transfer, costed an extra BT fee.

Edit 7/5 (AM) -- I have received all cards except NC Biz, FNBO and Sony. National City put me through the 'we think your ID got ripped off' ringer to activate the card. I had to go into any bank for an ID check. I bad BOA branch manager call in, they Call ID'd them and then I had to send in 3 utility bills and 3 paystubs. I was not pleased and let them know that when I faxed in the docs. Card finally active, but WHAT A HASSLE. Added to do list.

Edit 7/18 -- I have all 20 cards. BT's in progress


Tally:
Approvals: 20
Deferred: 0
Declined: 2 (1 due to geographic restriction, and 1 due to inability to verify identity)
Additional Credit: $253,600

Overall New Credit: $613,350. 69% increase in available credit
Biz: $201,000
Pers: $412,350

To do:
Citi prof -- try reallocation, then xfers within 12 months -- probably do this one first, pay off and try reallocate to drivers edge in 11 months. Do BT's in $1500 chunks to get $5 per transfer. 7/18 reallocation didnt work (nothing happened online)

citi drivers edge, see above, use for grocery etc first year.

Pay down providian card to 89%

Both National City cards give 60 days to transfer and get 6 billing cycles (can this be maximized by transferring right after first cycle close?)

Wachovia, call to do transfer, try to get them to commit to larger line with larger transfer -- didnt raise limit

First place bank, elan card -- transfer 49% (no fee)

There was a substantial interest in this post and positive votes to it, so I moved it to the quick summary so it doesnt get too buried and remains visible as part of the history of this App-O-Rama. thanks for all of the insight and questions.


OK, this is going to take a lot of pride swallowing to do, but I'm going to document adverse action. I took it up the arse pretty good the last few weeks. These events in chronological order, but not dated as I dont remember.

1) First was an AMEX FR, a few days after my last post. I thought long and hard about it and refused to send them the unabated look at my taxes. I took the advice in This AMEX FR thread quick summary I requested closure. I had done 48K in BTs, paid them off with the chase card for one big transfer and submitted another 24K. The FR kicked in a day or 2 after the 24K submission on the IN chicago card. I thought long and hard about it, explained the majority of my income increase occurred this year and wouldnt show on my filing. They said to submit the 4506T and copies of sales reports. I agreed, but slept on it, and said F it. IT's not worth it and asked them to close them. After I closed them I faxed them a long letter and documentation of income and assets that would easily document he income. They were all about the 4506T. The transfer did get approved and went through shortly after account closure. I will at least try to reopen blue cash for rewards.


2) FIA called me pissed off. Pissed how I was using billpay and pissed at 13 inquiries (edit: 13 new accounts, not inquiries) they saw. Here is one excerpt of the conversation.... 'you had $423 in debt a couple months ago, now you have 85K' another one in response to cmon I'm a good customer plea 'all of our customers start out good. they dont start out going bankrupt' --- call back in 6 months when you've closed accounts and paid balances off. I spelled out clear as day what I was doing ---- result: Closed all 8 personal cards.

3) Letter out of blue (a few days ago) --- Bank of America Biz card closing your biz account due to adverse action on FIA personal lines.

4) Really took it up arse today. I caught a real bad break on a 3 rebate checks that have been inexplicably labeled fraud by rebate company and were returned unpaid. One said refer to item, one said signature missing, one said altered item. I have been trying to get a hold of someone helpful at the rebate company to resolve (all the idiots at the first and second tier state no stop payment has been requested). These were deposited with some smaller rebate checks that went through fine that were issued by the same place. Still trying to figure it out. Any way this caused (guess who?) BOA to investigate my account. Concurrently I was doing this .. .as a matter of fact I am probably the guy who fed the guy who PM'd MikeR the idea. They froze my funds and closed the accounts. 'Not comfortable with the activity.' NOw I wasnt doing this without precaution as I made sure I had well over a 90 day supply of money (actually half of the money) in 3 other locations. As long as they all dont shut down I will be ok. BOA rep said funds would be on hold 24-48 hours and mailed out or if you go in branch you can pick up a cashiers check.


There ... wasnt quite as fun as documenting the AOR itself. I took one for the team and documented it. It hurts to share failures.

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nice call on the 3 Bank Atlantic business card! Where'd you find that one?

so, did you report 375K as HHI? 71K personal? does your business not pay you a salary?

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THanks for the work and post. I will subscribe

a question -- why no capital one. I got $30K from them on my AOR last march. With the CL you have with other issuers, you probably could get a big line on their personal and business cards.

I know CRAP1 is the evil empire to some but I have had no problems whatsoever wiht them

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lhendricks92 said:nice call on the 3 Bank Atlantic business card! Where'd you find that one?

so, did you report 375K as HHI? 71K personal? does your business not pay you a salary?


First, great job on your thread. top notch, used it as a template, lol.

71K regular w-2 salary, the rest of it sole prop/eBay.... 'started this year' for convenience and documentation reqs. If there was just one slot. I put in 375K, if there was 2 I put in 71K and 304K. I dug through the MEGA thread for hours using it as a baseline Looking at app after app.... -- thats where I found the Bank Atlantic card.

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patch96 said:THanks for the work and post. I will subscribe

a question -- why no capital one. I got $30K from them on my AOR last march. With the CL you have with other issuers, you probably could get a big line on their personal and business cards.

I know CRAP1 is the evil empire to some but I have had no problems whatsoever wiht them


Hmm, do you have a recommended card, not to late to throw in an app

Edit approved $500 CL no hassle card will update main thread later.

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kkerty89 said:lhendricks92 said:nice call on the 3 Bank Atlantic business card! Where'd you find that one?

so, did you report 375K as HHI? 71K personal? does your business not pay you a salary?


First, great job on your thread. top notch, used it as a template, lol.

71K regular w-2 salary, the rest of it sole prop/eBay.... 'started this year' for convenience and documentation reqs. If there was just one slot. I put in 375K, if there was 2 I put in 71K and 304K. I dug through the MEGA thread for hours using it as a baseline Looking at app after app.... -- thats where I found the Bank Atlantic card.


yes, the similarity of your formatting did not escape me.

i mined that MEGA thread, too. that's how i found M&T Bank. i should have given credit to PolarDude.

good luck, i can't wait to see how things shake out.

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Not many instants, but I expect good things given your credit history, income, and scores.

What's an HGW?

Assuming you get the Chase Sony card, and can reallocate to it, you can really do some BT damage there. I didn't see an app for a BofA/MBNA card that would be a BT candidate though?

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markkundinger said:Not many instants, but I expect good things given your credit history, income, and scores.

What's an HGW?

Assuming you get the Chase Sony card, and can reallocate to it, you can really do some BT damage there. I didn't see an app for a BofA/MBNA card that would be a BT candidate though?

sorry HGW -- it was a 10% card -- archived MBNA hgw thread

while it is demoralizing not getting instants, you have to keep pushing through.

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don't worry about instants. i had very few in my latest AOR. ultimately, only 3 of my 24 apps were rejected.

oh, and second markkundinger's comment about a BofA BT appropriate card. You've got quite a bit of easily reallocated BofA/MBNA/FIA credit. NFL or Star Wars would work.

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i have a cap one platinum mastercard that i got a 0% for 12 months back in march. I cannot see how you could not get the $30k with your HHI.

i would also rec a cap one business card

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Great job so far. I am interested to see how your deferred decisions turn out. Just make sure you can use the BT checks at the BT rate and they are not at the cash advance rate (such as AMEX if you write it to yourself). A 24% fee of a 20k BT will put the hurt on your returns.

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kkerty89 said:markkundinger said:Not many instants, but I expect good things given your credit history, income, and scores.

What's an HGW?

Assuming you get the Chase Sony card, and can reallocate to it, you can really do some BT damage there. I didn't see an app for a BofA/MBNA card that would be a BT candidate though?


sorry HGW -- it was a 10% card -- archived MBNA hgw thread

while it is demoralizing not getting instants, you have to keep pushing through.

Ahhh the HGW cards. That was when I first came to FWF and that was an awesome deal!

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kkerty89 - congrats on well executed aor - and for typing it up so quick. I still need to type mine up (shame on me for being so slow). Good luck on all the apps!

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jairocon said:kkerty89 - congrats on well executed aor - and for typing it up so quick. I still need to type mine up (shame on me for being so slow). Good luck on all the apps!

thanks, I think the latest round of aors are going to be valuable to senior memers with a substantial credit history. Moving to the mid majors requires a lot of thought. Order becomes even more important. I'm curious to see what the majors do being way down the list. chase, citi, boa aren't going to give us 1M at 0%, so at a certain point its important we find more sources. I thought real hard about doing FNBO & state farm and then waiting for the cards to be on the way before doing the full blown aor, I didnt want to blow the whole thing for those 2 though. I just did FNBO early and held off on state farm. Maybe I'll try that on Mrs Kkerty89's aor

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MikeR397 said:Great job so far. I am interested to see how your deferred decisions turn out. Just make sure you can use the BT checks at the BT rate and they are not at the cash advance rate (such as AMEX if you write it to yourself). A 24% fee of a 20k BT will put the hurt on your returns.

Thats the beautiful thing about the 'in' cards. It is a great way to move the money around with 0 fee BTs. 3 additional approvals, the 2 barclay cards (15 month one included!) and penfed. OP updated.

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ok, TU's 5 inquiries disappeared? Time for another TU exclusive AOR? What cards pull TU only? If this is real and they stay off I may apply for more Monday.

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Hooters Mastercard. strictly for util (or shiz and gigglez . otherwise, i wouldn't bother.

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kkerty89 said:lhendricks92 said:nice call on the 3 Bank Atlantic business card! Where'd you find that one?

so, did you report 375K as HHI? 71K personal? does your business not pay you a salary?


First, great job on your thread. top notch, used it as a template, lol.

71K regular w-2 salary, the rest of it sole prop/eBay.... 'started this year' for convenience and documentation reqs. If there was just one slot. I put in 375K, if there was 2 I put in 71K and 304K. I dug through the MEGA thread for hours using it as a baseline Looking at app after app.... -- thats where I found the Bank Atlantic card.
Wow, if I was pulling in $304k in income from eBay I wouldn't bother with a W-2 job. Of course, I'm betting you're not pulling in $304k of income from the business.

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beckles, are you asking gross vs net?

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