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Just found out my 26 year old daughter is moving to Australia with her boyfriend in May/June timeframe. The assignment will have them there till Oct of 2018, the company is covering all expenses, furnished apartment in downtown Sidney about a mile away from the office. The company is also trying to place my daughter there too, they are both accountants currently working at different companies, this will be a great move for his career and will help her too. 

Any potential pitfalls? Taxes? Health insurance? 

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Thanks for the partial update, good luck to you and yours.

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Not only will their ties to the old life/friends loosen (even... (more)

oppidum (Jul. 22, 2017 @ 2:08p) |

This is once in a lifetime opportunity, wish them all the best and keep your passport up to date so you can visit.

leedsutd67 (Jul. 23, 2017 @ 7:46a) |

They took a trip to the outback for an adventure and she was bitten by a Kangaroo.. Actually the spend a long weekend in... (more)

letsspendlotsofmoney (Jul. 24, 2017 @ 8:31a) |

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I think the main pitfall would be a 26 year old woman quiting her job and moving halfway around the world to follow a boy.

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Interestingly, the classic Pitfall! dangers (crocodiles, rattlesnakes, scorpions) are common in Florida, not Australia, but if your daughter has a fear of arachnids, she is going to have a little trouble. I mean, spiders normally don't trouble me at all personally, but when I see Australian videos with e.g. huntsman spiders, I feel my hair raise a bit, especially since I know that's among the least dangerous spiders in Australia.
Can't offer any useful FWF tips about Australia, just that it is not true that toilets flush in the opposite rotation due to the Coriolis effect, so that's one thing less to worry about...

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Keep in mind that things in Australia are on the expensive side. However, the work life balance seems to be much better there, and everyone looks extremely healthy.

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Dingos are the main pitfall-- especially if they have a baby.

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supersnoop00 said:   I think the main pitfall would be a 26 year old woman quiting her job and moving halfway around the world to follow a boy.
  Or a great investment, depends on how it all works out.

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Check if she has to pay back any amounts if she leaves company early.

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Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.

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juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.

Based on myself having this specific move, they will have a fantastic experience in a new culture, learn about the high cost of living in Australia, and move away after a few years.  With a relationship that got stronger.
 

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ksea said:   
juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.

Based on myself having this specific move, they will have a fantastic experience in a new culture, learn about the high cost of living in Australia, and move away after a few years.  With a relationship that got stronger.

  so 3:1 odds then?

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ksea said:   
juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.

Based on myself having this specific move, they will have a fantastic experience in a new culture, learn about the high cost of living in Australia, and move away after a few years.  With a relationship that got stronger.

Based on an episode of "Locked up Abroad" she will break up with the boyfriend, find a new guy that convinces her to fly to Columbia to pick up some "leather bags that he imports from there."  She will get caught smuggling drugs and spend years in a Columbian prison.

I would advise her not to make the move.

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juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.
i personally doubt that 3 different couples you know did exactly this same thing.

that said, i would consider this outcome good for both parties, especially if they aren't really tied to each other. good to learn about the strength of your relationship early.

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supersnoop00 said:   I think the main pitfall would be a 26 year old woman quiting her job and moving halfway around the world to follow a boy.
  She is young, this may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Plenty of time to rebuild her career, if needed.

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supersnoop00 said:   I think the main pitfall would be a 26 year old woman quiting her job and moving halfway around the world to follow a boy.
  She is young, this may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Plenty of time to rebuild her career, if needed.

  They are also looking to place her in the same area in accounting and hopefully banking most of their earnings for a maybe "Wedding" someday... Her current job is not really a place she would want to spend the next 30 years, she had just started looking locally for a new job, she's been there just over a year. 

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ksea said:   
juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.

Based on myself having this specific move, they will have a fantastic experience in a new culture, learn about the high cost of living in Australia, and move away after a few years.  With a relationship that got stronger.

  This is what I am expecting... Learn about a new culture and maybe appreciated what is here when she returns and maybe solidify their relationship. 

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letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
tennis8363 said:   
supersnoop00 said:   I think the main pitfall would be a 26 year old woman quiting her job and moving halfway around the world to follow a boy.
  She is young, this may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Plenty of time to rebuild her career, if needed.

  They are also looking to place her in the same area in accounting and hopefully banking most of their earnings for a maybe "Wedding" someday... Her current job is not really a place she would want to spend the next 30 years, she had just started looking locally for a new job, she's been there just over a year. 

  Does she get a separate apartment?

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taylor0987 said:   Dingos are the main pitfall-- especially if they have a baby.
  No babies and they wont be living in the outback, the apartment they are putting them in is in downtown Sidney, I am hoping there are less spiders and dingos there. 

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letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
tennis8363 said:   
supersnoop00 said:   I think the main pitfall would be a 26 year old woman quiting her job and moving halfway around the world to follow a boy.
  She is young, this may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Plenty of time to rebuild her career, if needed.

  They are also looking to place her in the same area in accounting and hopefully banking most of their earnings for a maybe "Wedding" someday... Her current job is not really a place she would want to spend the next 30 years, she had just started looking locally for a new job, she's been there just over a year. 

  Does she get a separate apartment?

  They will be living together, the company is moving him and covering her flights their moving expenses. As a courtesy, they are trying to place her too. 

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I say to go for it. My accountant cousin did that on a one year contract and he's still there 25 years later. Became an AU citizen and started a family.

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Ecuadorgr said:   Interestingly, the classic Pitfall! dangers (crocodiles, rattlesnakes, scorpions) are common in Florida, not Australia
 

what???  australia has loads of crocs and scorpions! no rattlers because it's not a native species but they have plenty of poisonous snakes. they're known for it!

that said...LOL @ the literal Pitfall references.

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There is nothing to worry about. she is moving to Sydney not some Podunk town in Australia. It is like NYC for USA. So lots of high rise buildings, more expensive than other cities, diverse, etc..

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letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
ksea said:   
Based on myself having this specific move, they will have a fantastic experience in a new culture, learn about the high cost of living in Australia, and move away after a few years.  With a relationship that got stronger.

  This is what I am expecting... Learn about a new culture and maybe appreciated what is here when she returns and maybe solidify their relationship

Or in the alternative, learn that they're not for each other.  Nothing wrong with that, and moving overseas is a great way of getting out of your comfort zone.  It's certainly an easier way to see how the relationship goes through changes than marriage / kids.

Think carefully about what immigration status your daughter arrives on.  If American, she won't qualify for a working holiday visa.  A tourist can't stay forever.

Taxes & health care are straightforward for those who aren't tourists.

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What!? no usual request for more details?





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ok. i will oblige... pics? 

  

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If possible, have them plan some excursions to nearby amazing places that are harder to get to from this side of the world:
New Zealand
Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar/Burma
China
Japan (7 hour flight IIRC)

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Temporary relocation somewhere interesting on the corporate dime? Awesome! Been there, done that.

If she's just tagging along as "the girlfriend" how would her visa work? She won't able to stay over 6 months, and she won't be able to work locally either. I would think she needs a job with the requisite paperwork before she gets there...

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ganda said:   Temporary relocation somewhere interesting on the corporate dime? Awesome! Been there, done that.

If she's just tagging along as "the girlfriend" how would her visa work? She won't able to stay over 6 months, and she won't be able to work locally either. I would think she needs a job with the requisite paperwork before she gets there...

  I agree.  If she does not get placed and obtain her own work visa, her stay will be limited to visitor limits and no work allowed.

Pitfalls..Don't bring bring in fruits/meats/plants (similar arriving into US flights) but Australia will likely xray every bag coming in.  US citizens will still need to file their 1040 every year despite living/working outside US but first $100K is excluded (actual limit subject to adjustment annually).  You may also qualify for a housing exclusion as well.

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On a more serious note, they should get up to speed with Aussie style meat pies and how to eat them. You wouldn't want to arrive in China and not know how to use chopsticks. Look for Boomerang brand in a freezer section near you.

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She may be an accountant, but still plan with an international specialist lawyer on US citizenship responsibilities like income tax and have a will valid in both countries plus most other countries they may visit. I do NOT know the medical insurance set up over there, but it may be a good idea to visit insurance agent that sells international medical insurance or at least consult one.
Make sure she can handle her finances without BF for some time to avoid asking Daddy in USA for financial help. (Daddy - set some money aside anyway, just do NOT tell her. While you do not want to JINX her choices, you want to be prepared when Murphy shows up.)

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javaman2003 said:   There is nothing to worry about. she is moving to Sydney not some Podunk town in Australia. It is like NYC for USA. So lots of high rise buildings, more expensive than other cities, diverse, etc..

Agree. I've been there. An extremely nice, modern city. Not much of any culture shock. The prices are a bit higher than in the U.S., but that's true with most major foreign cities. Nothing noticibly higher than traveling in Europe.

A person I knew traveled there for two years for work. They went with their two kids. The youngest one was about two when they left. He came back with an Australian accent.

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Regards to Taxes, if they are going to be an ExPat they will pay both AU taxes and US taxes. Always lots of fun.

Also Left Hand Drive is a pain to learn for a while as the pedals are the in same position but on the right side of the car!
Watch out for Drivers with a 'P' on their windows.  That's a new driver.

Erp: Right Hand drive.  The accelerator is still on the right side, which is closest to the door.

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forbin4040 said:   Regards to Taxes, if they are going to be an ExPat they will pay both AU taxes and US taxes. Always lots of fun.

Also Left Hand Drive is a pain to learn for a while as the pedals are the in same position but on the right side of the car!
Watch out for Drivers with a 'P' on their windows.  That's a new driver.

  
I think you mean Right Hand Drive Wheel on the left, pedals on the right is tricky.

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juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.
  Yup. Seems familiar

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forbin4040 said:   Regards to Taxes, if they are going to be an ExPat they will pay both AU taxes and US taxes. Always lots of fun.

Also Left Hand Drive is a pain to learn for a while as the pedals are the in same position but on the right side of the car!
Watch out for Drivers with a 'P' on their windows.  That's a new driver.

  
First 100K in foreign income is exempt from US taxes per year, as long as you are there 11 months of it.

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letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
taylor0987 said:   Dingos are the main pitfall-- especially if they have a baby.
  No babies and they wont be living in the outback, the apartment they are putting them in is in downtown Sidney, I am hoping there are less spiders and dingos there. 

Uh oh...   www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/interiors/the-creepy-crawly-reaso...

Actually, they'll probably be okay unless the dingos and spiders are mating... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoB8t0B4jx4


 

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I wish her the best of luck.
I enjoyed studying accounting in melbourne and playing cricket.

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juliox said:   Based on 3 couples I know having done this specific move, they will most likely break up within the year, she will move in with an Australian guy (incredibly quickly), and at the end of his contract he will return but she's going to live there forever.

I know of one instance of this as well.

American women love aussie men and the women there go absolutely nuts for American guys. They both might make a love connection but not with each other.

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They took a trip to the outback for an adventure and she was bitten by a Kangaroo.. Actually the spend a long weekend in the Blue mountains a couple hours from Sydney, while visiting a petting zoo and feeding the animals a kangaroo bit her hand only bruising the palm a little. This past weekend they attended their first Rugby game and enjoyed it, didn't understands it much. So far all has been great first couple months like a long vacation. She has started seeking employment now that they have moved into an apartment.

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