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Need help in buying 2017 Honda Civic EX with Honda Sensing for NY state. 
I got a quote of $22,000 before additional charges of 
8.75% tax 
Doc fee $75
Others 150

Honda can finance 0.9 for less than 36 months or 1.9 over 36 months. 

Pl advise if this is good price. 

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ifortune said:   Need help in buying 2017 Honda Civic EX with Honda Sensing for NY state. 
I got a quote of $22,000 before additional charges of 
8.75% tax 
Doc fee $75
Others 150

Honda can finance 0.9 for less than 36 months or 1.9 over 36 months. 

Pl advise if this is good price. 

  Can you pay cash?  That's about the only commentary about the price you'll get on this forum.  If you need to finance it to afford it, you should be looking at used Crown Vics instead.

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ifortune said:   Need help in buying 2017 Honda Civic EX with Honda Sensing for NY state. 
I got a quote of $22,000 before additional charges of 
8.75% tax 
Doc fee $75
Others 150

Honda can finance 0.9 for less than 36 months or 1.9 over 36 months. 

Pl advise if this is good price. 

        I would check Truecar site

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I  can pay cash or use credit. If credit is 0.9% and my cash earns >1%, why pay cash. 
Thanks

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Whatever you do, do not buy Honda Care from the dealer. Get it instead online from Saccucci or Hyannis since they sell it at cost. Honda Care I think is a must if you're keeping the care past the 3/36 warranty, specially with Honda Sensing and all the new electronics.

True Car puts an EX-T with CVT and Honda Sensing at $23,100, so $22K is a good price. MSRP is $24,175 and invoice is $22,521.

Unless it's a demo or something like it...

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I'm waiting for next week's episode of Buying Advice, "I bought a Civic EX-T but dealer gave me an EX!"

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Cars.com says 21975, so OP's price is about right.

Unless OP is a good negotiator.

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I used to think that after getting the best price before TTL that they no longer have any wiggle room. What do you want them to do, pay your taxes for you? But my recent experience tells me that you can still pull the OTD price down. Note that there could be other circumstances making them take your offer (like getting some month- quarter- or year-end sales bonus) and that you should be willing to walk away if they don't take your deal so this is very YMMV.

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Glitch99 said:   
ifortune said:   Need help in buying 2017 Honda Civic EX with Honda Sensing for NY state. 
I got a quote of $22,000 before additional charges of 
8.75% tax 
Doc fee $75
Others 150

Honda can finance 0.9 for less than 36 months or 1.9 over 36 months. 

Pl advise if this is good price. 

  Can you pay cash?  That's about the only commentary about the price you'll get on this forum.  If you need to finance it to afford it, you should be looking at used Crown Vics instead.

 
No not really, many people like myself would actually lean towards getting the 0.9% loan, paying it off equally each month so that when the 36 months end it's paid in full... All the while, putting the original 22,000 in an investment vehicle that can accrue more in interest (1% APY Savings, CD, Index funds, etc...) instead of paying it all in cash

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anthonyu said:   I used to think that after getting the best price before TTL that they no longer have any wiggle room. What do you want them to do, pay your taxes for you? But my recent experience tells me that you can still pull the OTD price down. Note that there could be other circumstances making them take your offer (like getting some month- quarter- or year-end sales bonus) and that you should be willing to walk away if they don't take your deal so this is very YMMV.
  Yep. I got $4k off after $8k in Chrysler rebates (total $12k off MSRP) last September on a Grand Cherokee. When I came in with my trade in and to pickup the Jeep a few days later, it was after their bonus time ended, but they didn't hit the numbers so no one got the bonus. They had a huge pizza party and everything the night I was in making the deal. My salesman said even after hold back and all of the incentives they get, they lost money on my deal. Apparently my deal was the second to last for that particular salesman to hit his numbers.

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rsuaver said:   Whatever you do, do not buy Honda Care from the dealer. Get it instead online from Saccucci or Hyannis since they sell it at cost. Honda Care I think is a must if you're keeping the care past the 3/36 warranty, specially with Honda Sensing and all the new electronics.

True Car puts an EX-T with CVT and Honda Sensing at $23,100, so $22K is a good price. MSRP is $24,175 and invoice is $22,521.

Unless it's a demo or something like it...

  That's the EX-T.  OP was looking at the EX, which about $1k less.  

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justignoredem said:   
Glitch99 said:   
ifortune said:   Need help in buying 2017 Honda Civic EX with Honda Sensing for NY state. 
I got a quote of $22,000 before additional charges of 
8.75% tax 
Doc fee $75
Others 150

Honda can finance 0.9 for less than 36 months or 1.9 over 36 months. 

Pl advise if this is good price. 

  Can you pay cash?  That's about the only commentary about the price you'll get on this forum.  If you need to finance it to afford it, you should be looking at used Crown Vics instead.

 
No not really, many people like myself would actually lean towards getting the 0.9% loan, paying it off equally each month so that when the 36 months end it's paid in full... All the while, putting the original 22,000 in an investment vehicle that can accrue more in interest (1% APY Savings, CD, Index funds, etc...) instead of paying it all in cash

  
Good point, but remember taxes - that CD interest is taxable, while your car interest isn't deductible.

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cestmoi123 said:   That's the EX-T.  OP was looking at the EX, which about $1k less.  
Depends if you read the title or the post.

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does honda sensing keep the vehicle centered in the lane, or only recenter after the vehicle drifts out of lane?

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Get rid of Doc fee & other .

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rsuaver said:   Whatever you do, do not buy Honda Care from the dealer. Get it instead online from Saccucci or Hyannis since they sell it at cost. Honda Care I think is a must if you're keeping the care past the 3/36 warranty, specially with Honda Sensing and all the new electronics.
Do you happen to know if Honda Care can be purchased on a CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) Honda that's still under the MFR's 3yr/36K warranty period?

*EDIT* Based on my research, apparently it can. If the car has under 6K miles on it, a warranty covering up to 8 years can be purchased (from the original "in service" date). Beyond that, it makes most sense to buy the extended warranty just before the MFR's warranty expires (so before 3 years from the original service date or 36K miles, whichever comes first), where only 5 years warranties (max) are available for purchase; however, the 5 years takes effect from the WARRANTY PURCHASE DATE (not the original vehicle "in-service" date), although the mileage portion of the warranty starts from mile 0.  So if you buy a 5 year 120K extended warranty on a car that has 35.9K miles, you'll have coverage for the next 5 years or 84.1K additional miles (whichever comes first).
 

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rufflesinc said:   does honda sensing keep the vehicle centered in the lane, or only recenter after the vehicle drifts out of lane?
The RDM part of 'sensing' keeps the vehicle in the lane, not centered but not drifting out.

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anthonyu said:   I used to think that after getting the best price before TTL that they no longer have any wiggle room. What do you want them to do, pay your taxes for you? But my recent experience tells me that you can still pull the OTD price down. Note that there could be other circumstances making them take your offer (like getting some month- quarter- or year-end sales bonus) and that you should be willing to walk away if they don't take your deal so this is very YMMV.
  I always discuss otd pricing & nothing else. Honda's are easy to price. I call or email dealerships c/o web sales mgr or fleet sales mgr. What's your otd on a blue or red 201x Civic LX my zip is xxxxx?

 One year I got a new Civic LX 11% off otd of sticker including TTL. Why? It was August 27th & picked up pif on 31st. September 1st was official day next years model & LX's were plentiful.

 Fast forward 4 1/2 years tree fell & totaled it [AOG]. Wanted a HF which are rare also it was February. I paid 2% off to even plus TTL. More than half the dealers would not/could not get me an HF.

 What's the supply of EX-T's? Buying mid-year. And not discussing otd prices. I see those as stumbling blocks.

 I will never sit in a chair while the manager spins the wheel, I mean calculates the otd price. I will know that before entering the dealership.

 Funny I once tried to buy a Toyota. But it took me two minutes discussing each of the specifics I wanted on it with managers. Many Toyota dealerships REFUSED to give me otd prices by phone or email. But I don't swim so no Toy for me.

 

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IMBoring25 said:   
cestmoi123 said:   That's the EX-T.  OP was looking at the EX, which about $1k less.  
Depends if you read the title or the post.

  Excellent point.  

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I am looking @ EX-Turbo 1.5 with sensing (sorry for typo)!
Truecar gives me 23000, thats why i dont trust them. This forum has more valuable input than Truecar.

good responses but i have not seen my sweet number (<21k). How can I get this.

Thanks

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Honda sensing - http://automobiles.honda.com/sensing

As the car is for a first time driver, we want to give extra safety features. 

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I wonder if tech like Honda Sensing is making drivers lazy. Such as relying on the technology and not checking blind spots, looking back when reversing, etc...

In any case, I'd second what many said above, go toward the end of the month or model year and be willing to walk.

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I bought a CR-V last fall and used Edmunds price paid forum to find out if I was getting a good deal. Here is a link to the 2017 Civic prices paid thread:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/43834/honda/civic/2017-hon...

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ifortune said:   Honda sensing - http://automobiles.honda.com/sensing 

As the car is for a first time driver, we want to give extra safety features. 

  
You're buying a brand new Honda Civic for a first time driver? Why? Get a used Volvo.

My parents leased a brand new car for me when I went off to college. It was nice to have a car that was reliable, but I still wrecked it twice. Definitely didn't deserve it. After college, I was on my own. My next car was 11 years old and I bought it for $2,700 which was my own money. That's when I finally learned the importance of car maintenance and defensive driving. If my parents had taken 75% of what they had spent on the new car lease, and just bought me a decent used car and then told me I was on my own for all maintenance, I would have been much better off. Why is your kid getting their own brand new car? $22,000 is a lot to plunk down for something they are inevitably going to treat poorly compared to something they had to work for.

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ifortune said:   I am looking @ EX-Turbo 1.5 with sensing (sorry for typo)!
Truecar gives me 23000, thats why i dont trust them. This forum has more valuable input than Truecar.

good responses but i have not seen my sweet number (<21k). How can I get this.

Thanks

  First time driver definitely needs a new Turbo car.. College Kid in our town.. Fast car is what is needed.

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First time driver will crash his car,
And the best car to crash? A Crown Vic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuXjQ-AbiU



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forbin4040 said:   First time driver will crash his car,
And the best car to crash? A Crown Vic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuXjQ-AbiU



  
Well, no.  You're much safer in a 2017 Civic than a Crown Vic.  

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/crown-victoria-4...
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/honda/civic-4-door-se...
 

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cestmoi123 said:   
forbin4040 said:   First time driver will crash his car,
And the best car to crash? A Crown Vic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuXjQ-AbiU



  
Well, no.  You're much safer in a 2017 Civic than a Crown Vic.  





http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/crown-victoria-4... 
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/honda/civic-4-door-se... 

  
If you're being hit by another Civic you will do well... If you are in a Civic and being hit by a crown vic or more likely any pickup on the road the larger vehicle almost always fares better. 

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letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
cestmoi123 said:   
forbin4040 said:   First time driver will crash his car,
And the best car to crash? A Crown Vic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuXjQ-AbiU



  
Well, no.  You're much safer in a 2017 Civic than a Crown Vic.  





http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/crown-victoria-4... 
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/honda/civic-4-door-se...

  
If you're being hit by another Civic you will do well... If you are in a Civic and being hit by a crown vic or more likely any pickup on the road the larger vehicle almost always fares better. 

  Size helps, but modern construction, more extensive airbags, etc. more than offset it.  But, hey, don't believe me, I'm sure you know better than those guys at IIHS.  They don't have large amounts of data or strong financial incentives to accurately judge the crashworthiness of vehicles or anything. 

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They have always been clear their tests simulate striking a vehicle of equal weight, so they are more challenging as the weight of the vehicle tested increases. People trying to sell small cars would like to ignore that aspect, but the probability that "your wreck" that occurs out on the road will be more severe than the IIHS test skyrockets as the weight of the vehicle you select falls.

IIHS themselves also just "weighed in" directly on the weight issue:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-cars-highest-rate-of-deaths-insurance-institute-for-highway-safety-report/

From a practical standpoint, you're probably best off finding something that does reasonably well in testing AND isn't dwarfed by 90% of the vehicles on the road.

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cestmoi123 said:   
letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
cestmoi123 said:   
forbin4040 said:   First time driver will crash his car,
And the best car to crash? A Crown Vic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuXjQ-AbiU



  
Well, no.  You're much safer in a 2017 Civic than a Crown Vic.  





http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/crown-victoria-4... 
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/honda/civic-4-door-se...

  
If you're being hit by another Civic you will do well... If you are in a Civic and being hit by a crown vic or more likely any pickup on the road the larger vehicle almost always fares better. 

  Size helps, but modern construction, more extensive airbags, etc. more than offset it.  But, hey, don't believe me, I'm sure you know better than those guys at IIHS.  They don't have large amounts of data or strong financial incentives to accurately judge the crashworthiness of vehicles or anything. 

Not really
The Vic wins and Vics modern day replacement the PPV will really save your asss
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopnews/on-the-road-again-high... 

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letsspendlotsofmoney said:   
cestmoi123 said:   
forbin4040 said:   First time driver will crash his car,
And the best car to crash? A Crown Vic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOuXjQ-AbiU



  
Well, no.  You're much safer in a 2017 Civic than a Crown Vic.  





http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/crown-victoria-4... 
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/honda/civic-4-door-se...

  
If you're being hit by another Civic you will do well... If you are in a Civic and being hit by a crown vic or more likely any pickup on the road the larger vehicle almost always fares better. 
 

  Not always, look at these videos of newer vs older and small vs large:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/about-us/milestones/50th-anniversary 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v708z67ALww


 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueafSvK9T-M


 

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I don't see anything contradictory there. The old-vs-new compares two vehicles that could be right around the same weight depending on equipment, with the salient difference being one was designed when crashworthiness simply wasn't a consideration, more than a decade before the formation of NHTSA.

The Smart does better in those unequal tests than one might think, but those are Daimler glossy materials that just say they passed without providing any quantitative criteria or comparison with the occupants of the Benzes. In either of those wrecks, I want to be in the Benz. Its occupants experience lower accelerations that are better aligned with the longitudinal axis of the car. The Smarts are obviously worse off than they were in the IIHS testing, which already had footwell intrusion. The Smart definitely has less margin for error for crashes at higher speed, with smaller overlaps, or against vehicles that are larger or stiffer than the Benz.

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I'd definitely not get the Turbo version for a first time driver. That'll drive up base price a bit and insurance rates a lot. Get the new driver a well-rated (for crash/safety/reliability) vehicle with high weight and modest engine so it's harder to speed up with it (aka not 120+ mph like for the EX-T).

For the record, our daughter will get our minivan when she starts driving soon. Lots of cargo/passenger space, not super fast and high enough weight to be safer than most.

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Hmmm, I'm in the market for a new car too.  I was contemplating the Turbo but I never drive at high altitudes.  As for insurance rates, take pictures of the VINs before you buy and send them to your agent.  It's the only way to be sure.

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