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AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile all plan to charge extra (usually $10 per month) for cell service on the LTE version of the Apple Watch 3.  I'm willing to buy a new watch, but I'm not willing to buy one that comes with a $10 per month fee for as long as I own it.  What approach will the MVNOs (mobile virtual network operators) take?  I thought some people might find it useful to list the practices of the major MVNOs here once we find out what they are (both for activation fees and monthly fees).

I have Consumer Cellular, and when I called on Friday the 15th, the CSR had no idea.  She first said it would be a $10 per month charge for adding an extra line, but she was under the impression the watch would have its own phone number.  When I explained that wasn't the case, she then guessed that they wouldn't charge extra, but she was honest in saying she didn't know.

 

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When I spoke to AT&T about this, it'll be just another device under your plan. I get charged a couple bucks for my iPad ... (more)

Cashman (Sep. 17, 2017 @ 1:57p) |

So you paid $300 for the watch and $10/month for the service?

forbin4040 (Sep. 17, 2017 @ 2:02p) |

42mm is $429 plus tax. Service won't be activated until it arrives - should arrive on this Friday which is launch day.

Cashman (Sep. 17, 2017 @ 3:08p) |

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What does how mvnos will treat iwatches have to do with finance?

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There is a significantly amount of back end support required to integrate the phone and Apple Watch on the same number.

In addition, current MVNOs do not seem to offer plans for even more basic wearable devices.

This is an area where, currently, you will need a plan with one of the big 4.

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ken82 said:   AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile all plan to charge extra (usually $10 per month) for cell service on the LTE version of the Apple Watch 3.  I'm willing to buy a new watch, but I'm not willing to buy one that comes with a $10 per month fee for as long as I own it.  What approach will the MVNOs (mobile virtual network operators) take?  I thought some people might find it useful to list the practices of the major MVNOs here once we find out what they are (both for activation fees and monthly fees).

I have Consumer Cellular, and when I called on Friday the 15th, the CSR had no idea.  She first said it would be a $10 per month charge for adding an extra line, but she was under the impression the watch would have its own phone number.  When I explained that wasn't the case, she then guessed that they wouldn't charge extra, but she was honest in saying she didn't know.

 

School me on the current version of the apple watch.  All I know is that it has to be paired to a phone in order to work, and it has no LTE radio.

Can you currently take voice calls on the apple watch when it's paired to a phone in your pocked via bluetooth?
kamalktk said:   What does how mvnos will treat iwatches have to do with finance?
Cell phone bills.  Saving money.  Being cheap.  FWF FTW!

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The independent cellular feature is aimed at runners, who want to leave all their stuff at home, except for the watch. If that's not you, having the cellular watch is probably overkill.

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Can you download and watch ummm cat videos on the phone?

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EDIT: If the phone must be paired to the watch to make calls and text then my statement below doesn't apply. I was referring to the devices that can work independently. If they want an extra $10 per month for a device that can't work independently they are trying to cheat people. Plenty of similar devices do that stuff without monthly charges.

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My understanding is that it does have it's own number associated with it. It my be set up in a way that makes that fact invisible to the end user but it's there.(number spoofing and forwarding)

I don't believe two devices can share a number on the celluar network for billing and tracking reasons. For instance 911 needs to be able to track an emergency call to the device that made it.

Even data only devices have an associated phone number although you can't call it. I imagine that will change evetually but that is a slow process. Kind of similar to changing from IPV4 to IPV6. There is a lot of infrastructure that must change first and until it changes backward compatibility must be maintained for the integrity of the whole network.

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giqcass said:   EDIT: If the phone must be paired to the watch to make calls and text then my statement below doesn't apply. I was referring to the devices that can work independently. If they want an extra $10 per month for a device that can't work independently they are trying to cheat people. Plenty of similar devices do that stuff without monthly charges.

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My understanding is that it does have it's own number associated with it. It my be set up in a way that makes that fact invisible to the end user but it's there.(number spoofing and forwarding)

I don't believe two devices can share a number on the celluar network for billing and tracking reasons. For instance 911 needs to be able to track an emergency call to the device that made it.

Even data only devices have an associated phone number although you can't call it. I imagine that will change evetually but that is a slow process. Kind of similar to changing from IPV4 to IPV6. There is a lot of infrastructure that must change first and until it changes backward compatibility must be maintained for the integrity of the whole network.

  This is how the Samsung gear works.
If near the phone it's a bluetooth device.
If not, it's a standalone phone. (With it's own separate number)

But I suspect the apple one will force the carriers to do a dual ring, where the watch has it's own phone number but will ring if the main number is called.

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forbin4040 said:   
giqcass said:   EDIT: If the phone must be paired to the watch to make calls and text then my statement below doesn't apply. I was referring to the devices that can work independently. If they want an extra $10 per month for a device that can't work independently they are trying to cheat people. Plenty of similar devices do that stuff without monthly charges.

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My understanding is that it does have it's own number associated with it. It my be set up in a way that makes that fact invisible to the end user but it's there.(number spoofing and forwarding)

I don't believe two devices can share a number on the celluar network for billing and tracking reasons. For instance 911 needs to be able to track an emergency call to the device that made it.

Even data only devices have an associated phone number although you can't call it. I imagine that will change evetually but that is a slow process. Kind of similar to changing from IPV4 to IPV6. There is a lot of infrastructure that must change first and until it changes backward compatibility must be maintained for the integrity of the whole network.

  This is how the Samsung gear works.
If near the phone it's a bluetooth device.
If not, it's a standalone phone. (With it's own separate number)

But I suspect the apple one will force the carriers to do a dual ring, where the watch has it's own phone number but will ring if the main number is called.

  
The apple watch 3 has the same number as your phone, and only rings when it's at a certain distance away from your phone. It uses an e-sim (which is smart, because you don't want people taking apart a waterproof watch to install a sim). apple newsroom

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ctujackbauer said:   
forbin4040 said:   
giqcass said:   EDIT: If the phone must be paired to the watch to make calls and text then my statement below doesn't apply. I was referring to the devices that can work independently. If they want an extra $10 per month for a device that can't work independently they are trying to cheat people. Plenty of similar devices do that stuff without monthly charges.

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My understanding is that it does have it's own number associated with it. It my be set up in a way that makes that fact invisible to the end user but it's there.(number spoofing and forwarding)

I don't believe two devices can share a number on the celluar network for billing and tracking reasons. For instance 911 needs to be able to track an emergency call to the device that made it.

Even data only devices have an associated phone number although you can't call it. I imagine that will change evetually but that is a slow process. Kind of similar to changing from IPV4 to IPV6. There is a lot of infrastructure that must change first and until it changes backward compatibility must be maintained for the integrity of the whole network.

  This is how the Samsung gear works.
If near the phone it's a bluetooth device.
If not, it's a standalone phone. (With it's own separate number)

But I suspect the apple one will force the carriers to do a dual ring, where the watch has it's own phone number but will ring if the main number is called.

  
The apple watch 3 has the same number as your phone, and only rings when it's at a certain distance away from your phone. It uses an e-sim (which is smart, because you don't want people taking apart a waterproof watch to install a sim). apple newsroom

  That's what they said it does...but that doesn't contradict what I say...I suspect it has it's own hidden phone number.

Like the Android and Apple Pay...it looks like you are using the same card but the Android and Apple Pay actually has a different number stored.

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ctujackbauer said:   The apple watch 3 has the same number as your phone, and only rings when it's at a certain distance away from your phone. It uses an e-sim (which is smart, because you don't want people taking apart a waterproof watch to install a sim). apple newsroom
  I won't say I 'm a fan of the e-sim in all applications but for a small waterproof/water resistant device sure.  The Apple watch does not claim to be waterproof.  It's only water resistant.   That's their way of saying you can go surfing with it but we will probably blame you when it gets water inside and make you pay to fix it.  The apple watch shares a number with the phone but that doesn't mean it won't have a dedicated number.  I also don't see anywhere that indicates the watch needs to be near the phone.  In fact it says several times that you don't need the phone.  Maybe there is a second non-cellular model I'm not aware of.

This is what really got my attention however.
https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-series-3/
Apple website small print said: Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) requires an iPhone 6 or later with iOS 11 or later. Apple Watch and iPhone service provider must be the same. Not available with all service providers. Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area. Wireless service plan required for cellular service. Contact your service provider for more details. Check www.apple.com/watch/cellular for participating wireless carriers and eligibility.
First note "Only participating carriers" so MNVO's probably won't be supported for a while.
Second "Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area".
That second note really bothers me.  You will almost certainly not get the same coverage with the watch as you do with your phone.  Roaming is a seamless process and most people don't realize how often they are doing it.  That means more dropped calls, shorter battery life, and missed calls.  This sounds like a technical limitation that could be due to the e-sim or possibly to the number "sharing process".  I suspect 911 calls will still go out over any network but that is yet to be seen.

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giqcass said:   
ctujackbauer said:   The apple watch 3 has the same number as your phone, and only rings when it's at a certain distance away from your phone. It uses an e-sim (which is smart, because you don't want people taking apart a waterproof watch to install a sim). apple newsroom
  I won't say I 'm a fan of the e-sim in all applications but for a small waterproof/water resistant device sure.  The Apple watch does not claim to be waterproof.  It's only water resistant.   That's their way of saying you can go surfing with it but we will probably blame you when it gets water inside and make you pay to fix it.  The apple watch shares a number with the phone but that doesn't mean it won't have a dedicated number.  I also don't see anywhere that indicates the watch needs to be near the phone.  In fact it says several times that you don't need the phone.  Maybe there is a second non-cellular model I'm not aware of.

This is what really got my attention however.
https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-series-3/ 
Apple website small print said: Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) requires an iPhone 6 or later with iOS 11 or later. Apple Watch and iPhone service provider must be the same. Not available with all service providers. Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area. Wireless service plan required for cellular service. Contact your service provider for more details. Check www.apple.com/watch/cellular for participating wireless carriers and eligibility.
First note "Only participating carriers" so MNVO's probably won't be supported for a while.
Second "Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area".
That second note really bothers me.  You will almost certainly not get the same coverage with the watch as you do with your phone.  Roaming is a seamless process and most people don't realize how often they are doing it.  That means more dropped calls, shorter battery life, and missed calls.  This sounds like a technical limitation that could be due to the e-sim or possibly to the number "sharing process".  I suspect 911 calls will still go out over any network but that is yet to be seen.

  
I concede that its water resistant and may have a hidden number. But I said it only rings when its at a certain distance from the phone.

Fatwallet breaks the link, copy and paste:
Apple.com /newsroom/2017/09/apple-watch-series-3-features-built-in-cellular-and-more/

Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) features a full LTE and UMTS cellular radio that switches seamlessly to cellular when it is away from iPhone.

 

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ctujackbauer - where are you seeing that it only rings when it's a certain distance from your phone? I went through that page and don't see that info.

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eff it, I'm just copying and pasting the entire newsroom link. bolded is the line I read.

PRESS RELEASE
SEPTEMBER 12, 2017
Apple Watch Series 3 brings built-in cellular, powerful new health and fitness enhancements


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Featuring Streaming Music, Faster Dual-Core Processor and watchOS 4
 
 
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The freedom to go with just your watch.
Cupertino, California — Apple today introduced Apple Watch Series 3, adding built-in cellular to the world’s number one watch. Whether users are out for a run, at the pool or just trying to be more active throughout their day, Apple Watch Series 3 with cellular allows them to stay connected, make calls, receive texts and more, even without iPhone nearby. The third-generation Apple Watch is an amazing health and fitness companion with intelligent coaching features, water resistance 50 meters1 and a new barometric altimeter that measures relative elevation. Apple Watch Series 3 comes in two models, one with GPS and cellular, and one with GPS, both featuring a 70 percent faster dual-core processor and new wireless chip.
 
 
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Apple Watch Series 3 features a faster dual-core processor and wireless chip.
“We believe the addition of cellular will transform the way people use Apple Watch, providing a new sense of freedom since they can stay connected with or without their iPhone,” said Jeff Williams, Apple’s chief operating officer. “Apple Watch Series 3 combined with the power of watchOS 4 is the ultimate device for a healthy life.”
 
 
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Stream 40 millions songs right from the wrist.
Soon, the combination of cellular and watchOS 4 will allow Apple Music users to stream 40 million songs right from their wrist. Beginning Friday, September 15, Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) will be available to order in 10 countries and territories, and Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) will be available to order in 28 countries and territories. Both models are available in stores starting Friday, September 22.
Advanced Technology
 
 
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Industry-first antenna design that uses the display itself to transmit and receive.
Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) features a full LTE and UMTS cellular radio that switches seamlessly to cellular when it is away from iPhone. The watch shares the same number as iPhone so there’s no need to provide an additional number to family, friends or colleagues; and to help get customers started, participating carriers are also offering special introductory cellular plans at launch. Customers have the ability to make cellular calls directly with Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) and, when paired with AirPods, enjoy a seamless and fully wireless experience. Apple also pioneered an industry-first antenna design that uses the display itself as both a transmitting and receiving element for LTE and UMTS, while introducing a built-in eSIM that is over one-hundredth the size of a traditional SIM card, making over-the-air activation possible without compromising space.2
 
 
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/09/apple-watch-series-3-feat...
 
watchOS 4 includes a new High Intensity Interval Training workout option.
Powering Apple Watch Series 3 is the S3, Apple’s third-generation architecture featuring a faster dual-core processor, which allows for quicker app launch times and smoother graphics, and, for the first time, enables Siri to speak using the built-in speaker. Apple designed a new custom wireless chip called W2, making Wi-Fi 85 percent faster and Bluetooth and Wi-Fi 50 percent more power efficient, while still providing all-day battery life and keeping the size virtually the same as before. Apple Watch Series 3 also features a barometric altimeter that assists with tracking activity, flights climbed and outdoor workouts, including elevation gain.
watchOS 4
 
 
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/09/apple-watch-series-3-feat...
 
The Heart Rate app offers more detailed heart rate measurements.
watchOS 4 features an updated Heart Rate app, giving even more insight to heart rate, including measurements during resting, workout, recovery, walking and Breathe sessions. Customers can also choose to receive a notification when their heart rate is elevated above a specific threshold while inactive. Other great watchOS 4 features include the proactive Siri watch face that displays the information users need most throughout the day, an enhanced Workout app with new interface, custom High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) workout type and auto-sets for pool swims. With GymKit, users will soon enjoy the ability to connect to their favorite cardio equipment and experience two-way synchronization of data with just a tap, resulting in the most accurate information possible.3
 
 
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/09/apple-watch-series-3-feat...
 
watchOS 4 introduces a redesigned Music app and new Radio app.
The redesigned Music app experience automatically syncs playlists like New Music Mix and Favorites Mix, along with the user’s most listened to music. Later this fall, Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) will stream music, giving users access to any song from Apple Music, straight from the wrist. The new Radio app also enables listeners to access Beats 1 live or any Apple Music radio station while away from iPhone or Wi-Fi.
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Apple Watch Edition in a breathtaking new gray ceramic.

The Sport Loop effortlessly adjusts to fit the wrist.

New band colors and styles for customers offer more opportunity than ever to express personal style.

Apple Watch Edition in a breathtaking new gray ceramic. The Sport Loop effortlessly adjusts to fit the wrist. New band colors and styles for customers offer more opportunity than ever to express personal style.
Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) starts at $399 (US) and Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) starts at $329 (US), both featuring new upgrades like a faster dual-core processor and wireless chip, along with a barometric altimeter. Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) also debuts a special red Digital Crown and exclusive “Explorer” watch face that shows cellular connectivity through a unique design. Series 1 will be available at a new starting price of $249 (US), making it more affordable than ever.
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Apple Watch Nike+ and the Nike Run Club app make the perfect running partner.

Apple Watch Nike+ features exclusive new band colors.

Apple Watch Nike+ and the Nike Run Club app make the perfect running partner. Apple Watch Nike+ features exclusive new band colors.
In addition to silver or space gray aluminum, Apple Watch Series 3 now comes in a gorgeous new gold aluminum, along with silver or space black stainless steel cases, which all pair with a stunning assortment of new band colors and styles. The Woven Nylon is updated with a new pattern and the incredibly lightweight Sport Loop effortlessly adjusts to fit wrists with unparalleled comfort. Apple Watch Edition expands to include a beautiful dark gray ceramic case that pairs with a new two-toned Sport Band.
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The Single Tour Eperon d’Or inspired by an iconic Hermès scarf print.

Apple Watch Hermès with new Single Tour Rallye inspired by an Hermès driving glove.

The new Single Tour Deployment Buckle in Eben Barenia.

The Single Tour Eperon d’Or inspired by an iconic Hermès scarf print. Apple Watch Hermès with new Single Tour Rallye inspired by an Hermès driving glove. The new Single Tour Deployment Buckle in Eben Barenia.
Apple Watch Nike+ has been extremely popular, and this fall, the partnership continues with both models of Series 3 pairing with a new pure platinum/black Nike Sport Band or Sport Loop in exclusive colors. The Nike Run Club app has been updated to introduce exciting new features: Audio Guided Runs deliver world-class coaching and motivation from Nike’s elite coaches, athletes and entertainers, while the Cheers feature makes running more fun by allowing your friends to send audio-based cheers, which will motivate you during a run. Just Do It Sundays continues to provide inspiration and rewards from participation in the world’s largest running community. Apple Watch Hermès models come with built-in cellular and pair with a striking collection of new bands, including the Single Tour Rallye, in perforated Gala calfskin, inspired by the classic Hermès driving glove, and the Single Tour Eperon d’Or, in printed Gala calfskin, inspired by the equestrian scarf pattern designed by Henri d’Origny in 1974. A new watch face, inspired by the Carrick Hermès watch, also designed by Henri d’Origny in 1993, completes the existing selection of Hermès watch faces.
Pricing and Availability
Apple Watch is available in two different case sizes, 38mm and 42mm. Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) will be available in gold, silver or space gray aluminum, or silver or space black stainless steel paired with a variety of bands starting at $399 (US). Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) will be available in gold, silver or space gray aluminum cases with a Sport Band starting at $329 (US). Apple Watch Series 1 is available in silver or space gray aluminum cases paired with a Sport Band starting at just $249 (US). Apple Watch Edition in gray or white ceramic will be available starting at $1,299 (US). All models will be available from Apple.com and Apple Stores, as well as select Apple Authorized Resellers and carriers (prices may vary). For local availability, visit locate.Apple.com. Apple Watch Nike+ starts at $329 (US) and Apple Watch Hermès starts at $1,149 (US) (prices may vary).
Customers will be able to order Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) beginning Friday, September 15, with availability beginning Friday, September 22 in Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Japan, Puerto Rico, Switzerland, the UK and the US, with other countries following next year. For carrier availability, visit Apple.com/watch/cellular.
Customers will be able to order Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) beginning Friday, September 15, with availability beginning Friday, September 22 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, the UK, the US and US Virgin Islands. Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) will be available beginning Saturday, September 23 in UAE.
Apple Watch Series 1  is available on Apple.com and anywhere Apple Watch is sold.
Apple Watch Nike+ will be available to order on Apple.com beginning Friday, September 15, with limited availability on Thursday, October 5 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Guam, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Luxembourg, Macau, Monaco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, UAE, the UK and the US. For more information, visit Apple.com/apple-watch-Nike or Nike.com/applewatch.
Apple Watch Hermès will be available to order on Apple.com beginning Friday, September 15, with availability beginning Friday, September 22 in Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, the UK and the US. For more information, visit Apple.com/apple-watch-hermes or hermes.com/applewatchhermes.
Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) will be available beginning Friday, September 29 in Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Guam, Hungary, Iceland, India, Jersey, Macau, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Thailand and Turkey.
Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) will be available beginning Saturday, September 30 in Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
New Apple Watch bands are available today on Apple.com and will be available soon at Apple Stores, as well as select Apple Authorized Resellers and carriers in the US and over 35 countries and regions, including Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UAE and the UK.
Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) requires iPhone 6 or later running iOS 11 or later and Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) requires iPhone 5S or later running iOS 11 or later. watchOS 4 and iOS 11 will be available Tuesday, September 19. Some features are not available in all regions or all languages.
Customers who buy Apple Watch from Apple will be offered free Personal Setup in-store or online4 to help set up and personalize their new Apple Watch with calendars, notifications, apps and more.
Anyone who wants to start with the basics or go further with their new Apple Watch can sign up for free Today at Apple sessions at Apple.com/today.
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1 Apple Watch Series 3 has a water resistance rating of 50 meters under ISO standard 22810:2010. This means that it may be used for shallow-water activities like swimming in a pool or ocean. However, Apple Watch Series 3 should not be used for scuba diving, waterskiing or other activities involving high-velocity water or submersion below shallow depth. Stainless steel and leather bands are not water resistant. 
2 Apple Watch and iPhone service provider must be the same. Not available with all service providers. Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area. Wireless service plan required for cellular service. Contact your service provider for more details. Check Apple.com/watch/cellular for participating wireless carriers and eligibility. 
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The apple Hermes edition $1149? OMG they really want the rich folk to covet it.

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Sounds like an overly complex gimmick. Just buy the watch if you really like it and don't use it with cell service.

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ctujackbauer said:   eff it, I'm just copying and pasting the entire newsroom link. bolded is the line I read.

Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) features a full LTE and UMTS cellular radio that switches seamlessly to cellular when it is away from iPhone.
 

Thanks for posting it.  I was having issues with your link and I was going to ask where you read that as well.   
This is the line that you are referring to above(I hope). I take that line to mean it can switch to cellular and ring when away from the phone but I don't think it means it won't also ring well it's near the phone as well.  If I'm getting something wrong let me know.  Sorry if I focus too much on technical details I don't mean to be argumentative.  I just like to know how stuff works so I know why it's messing up.
 

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TravelerMSY said:   The independent cellular feature is aimed at runners, who want to leave all their stuff at home, except for the watch. If that's not you, having the cellular watch is probably overkill.
  That being said, the entire apple watch is nothing short of pure marketing gimmick.

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brettdoyle said:   Sounds like an overly complex gimmick. Just buy the watch if you really like it and don't use it with cell service.
  
There are two versions of the series 3. With and without cellular.

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forbin4040 said:   The apple Hermes edition $1149? OMG they really want the rich folk to covet it.
  Apple originally sold a gold version of their watch for $10-17k.  https://www.cultofmac.com/315099/17000-gold-apple-watch-might-be...

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BostonOne said:   ctujackbauer - where are you seeing that it only rings when it's a certain distance from your phone? I went through that page and don't see that info.
Don't know if any of you watched the webcast where they introduced the new watch.  Someone from the stage was talking to a woman who was paddle boarding in the middle of (I think) Lake Tahoe.  There was no iPhone close by.  The relevant portion is around the 32 minute mark.

https://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2017/

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ctujackbauer said:   
Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) features a full LTE and UMTS cellular radio that switches seamlessly to cellular when it is away from iPhone. 

I don't read that line as "It only rings when it's a certain distance away from the phone."

I read it as - the watch is connected via bluetooth when it is within range and switches to cellular to make/receive calls when it is out of range of the phone.

It can ring in either situation.

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We are getting away from the main topic. It's about $10/mo fee (plus tax and fees). Does anyone know if carriers are going to charge taxes and fees for Apple Watch3? I have to pay almost $5 on taxes and fees for each line I have with T-Mobile. Hopefully, they won't consider this as an extra line.

Anyone know if Apple Watch 2 or 3 can connect to public wifi (without having iphone nearby) to receive/ send a call? Thx

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TravelerMSY said:   The independent cellular feature is aimed at runners, who want to leave all their stuff at home, except for the watch. If that's not you, having the cellular watch is probably overkill.
  I think apple watch with cellular connection may have a big market for working women who leave their iPhone in purse or on a desk but need to be mobile in workplace. Examples could be hospitals, factories perhaps schools.

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Good point, I'm a guy and that never occurred to me People without pockets is a potentially big market.

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docjoo said:   We are getting away from the main topic. It's about $10/mo fee (plus tax and fees). Does anyone know if carriers are going to charge taxes and fees for Apple Watch3? I have to pay almost $5 on taxes and fees for each line I have with T-Mobile. Hopefully, they won't consider this as an extra line.

Anyone know if Apple Watch 2 or 3 can connect to public wifi (without having iphone nearby) to receive/ send a call? Thx

  You still pay taxes for T-Mobile?  I thought they include all fees and taxes now.

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docjoo said:   We are getting away from the main topic. It's about $10/mo fee (plus tax and fees). Does anyone know if carriers are going to charge taxes and fees for Apple Watch3? I have to pay almost $5 on taxes and fees for each line I have with T-Mobile. Hopefully, they won't consider this as an extra line.

Anyone know if Apple Watch 2 or 3 can connect to public wifi (without having iphone nearby) to receive/ send a call? Thx

  
When I spoke to AT&T about this, it'll be just another device under your plan. I get charged a couple bucks for my iPad which is $10/month just like the Series 3.

I ordered a Series 3 watch so I can let everyone know what to expect when it's activated. I see a lot of value out of this since I do run outside a lot and I work remotely - so the ability to take calls from my watch and a set of bluetooth headphones is intriguing. 

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So you paid $300 for the watch and $10/month for the service?

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forbin4040 said:   So you paid $300 for the watch and $10/month for the service?
  
42mm is $429 plus tax. Service won't be activated until it arrives - should arrive on this Friday which is launch day. 

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