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scrouds said:   I will address the question of whether you can impeach a president for gross negligence.

Article II, section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

But there's a catch. Nixon v United States, was a court case brought by an impeached and convicted judge by the name of Nixon (not the former president). The supreme Court ruled that impeachment is a political question not subject to judicial review.

So if you can get half of Congress and 2/3 of the Senate to ignore their oaths, they could impeach trump for his bad haircut.

But the more egregious the ahem, trumped up charges are, the more likely the supreme Court would be to ignore stare decision and invalidate the impeachment. I would consider the odds of a reversal of this policy very remote.

  Gerald Ford, before he was President, said the grounds for impeachment and conviction are whatever Congress decides they are.

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scrouds said:   
mrkk said:   Didn't trump say that he is the only republican who would not cut social security and medicare?

Trump’s Budget Is a Cruel Con

You linked to an article discussing medicaid.

Where's your article talking about cuts to social security and Medicare?

You know the difference right? Right?

  
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/22/15674822/donal...

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larrymoencurly said:   
mrkk said:   my folk make good music

and don't even go near veganism, they are trying to save the planet and their bodies, leave them alone

lets stay on the subject that we pretend to know and can beeeech about

I agree with you on most other things

  Sorry, Supreme Moderator.

  
Just kidding

I have no tofu with you

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larrymoencurly said:   
How? As I said, Obama's health insurance plan was right out of Republican Mitt Romney's plan, which was the right-wing Heritage Foundation's plan.

That wasn't Obama's plan, was it? It wasn't anywhere near to his plan. After insulting republicans throughout the process, it got no support from them. Deals were made with certain democrats to get their votes. Obama broke quite a few promises on in regards to the ACA. Yes, it has the title Obamacare, but no it wasn't his plan. I supported his plan. I didn't support this piece of junk that got his name stamped on it.

larrymoencurly said:   as exemplified by Bernie Sanders not sounding like a hippie socialist Commie cook.
He's said a lot of things that sound that way, especially on his rise to popularity. Prior to running for president, my facebook was full of his ignorant memes. He's one of the most short sighted ignorant politicians out there. Now I think he has a team that helps him stay within certain boundaries so that he gets as much support as possible without looking clueless.

larrymoencurly said:   Why? The reasons for my reds are obvious except to extremists who are so out of touch that they can't understand other viewpoints.
Not usually obvious. I see what you are trying to do there, but I suggest it's the other way around.


  

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riznick said:   
He's one of the most short sighted ignorant politicians out there.


This? in the country which is full of trumps/mitchs/paul ryans/eric cantors/EACH AND EVERY piece of you know what from freedumb cocks members?

ROTFLMFAO

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mrkk said:   
riznick said:   
He's one of the most short sighted ignorant politicians out there.

 


This? in the country which is full of trumps/mitchs/paul ryans/eric cantors/EACH AND EVERY piece of you know what from freedumb cocks members?

ROTFLMFAO


Trump would certainly be one too, but you are deflecting and your answer shows a lot of hateful bias...  I didn't vote for the guy.  

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riznick said:   
 
I think you are probably much more intelligent than most members in this thread and much more capable of critical thinking than many of the other members. I could be wrong. I try to figure out your behaviors and responses. Frequently, the only conclusion I can come up with is that you are blindly biased. That would be giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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larrymoencurly said:   
 
As I said, Obama's health insurance plan was right out of Republican Mitt Romney's plan, which was the right-wing Heritage Foundation's plan.

 Hmm.

http://prospect.org/article/no-obamacare-wasnt-republican-propos... 
. said: The assertion that the ACA was "conceived" at the Heritage Foundation is simply false. I say this with no little humility—since Republicans at the national level have never actually favored any significant plan for health-care reform, I thought the content of the Heritage Plan was irrelevant, but didn't think to question claims that it was fundamentally similar to the ACA. When I actually took the time to read the Heritage plan, what I found was a proposal that was radically dissimilar to the Affordable Care Act. Had Obama proposed anything like the Heritage Plan, Moore would have been leading daily marches against it in front of the White House—and I would have been right there with him.

Unlike the Heritage plan, the Massachusetts law is quite similar to the ACA, but as an argument against the ACA from the left this is neither here nor there. The problem with the comparison is the argument that the Massachusetts law was "birthed" by Mitt Romney. What has retrospectively been described as "Romneycare" is much more accurately described as a health-care plan passed by massive supermajorities of liberal Massachusetts Democrats over eight Mitt Romney vetoes (every one of which was ultimately overridden by the legislature.)

Progressive frustration with the ACA is understandable, but let's not pretend that anything about the law reflects the priorities of actually existing American conservatives.


 

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larrymoencurly said:   
How? As I said, Obama's health insurance plan was right out of Republican Mitt Romney's plan, which was the right-wing Heritage Foundation's plan.

That wasn't Obama's plan, was it? It wasn't anywhere near to his plan. After insulting republicans throughout the process, it got no support from them.

Exactly! The Republicans opposed ACA only because Obama wasn't nice to them. If only he had brought out cookies and milk, they would have changed their decades-long opposition to universal health coverage and implemented a much better system.

  

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larrymoencurly said:   
riznick said:   
larrymoencurly said:   
How? As I said, Obama's health insurance plan was right out of Republican Mitt Romney's plan, which was the right-wing Heritage Foundation's plan.

That wasn't Obama's plan, was it? It wasn't anywhere near to his plan. After insulting republicans throughout the process, it got no support from them.

Exactly! The Republicans opposed ACA only because Obama wasn't nice to them. If only he had brought out cookies and milk, they would have changed their decades-long opposition to universal health coverage and implemented a much better system.

  

 Let's have a reality check.    There were several threads on fatwallet in and around 2009 regarding Obamacare wherein you opined.  This is one of them:  http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/899844?start=600 

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